NaijaProdigy Redux
Veteran
Kamala is going to be on a warpath next debate 
You know all this Tulsi coverage got her tight
You know all this Tulsi coverage got her tight
Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread
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King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
There's no doubt that America is a sexist country, but Hillary - one of the most baggage-laden candidates in modern American history - barely losing the electoral college while winning the popular vote running an absolutely godawful campaign is not evidence that a woman cannot win the White House. You take away either the baggage or the shyt campaign and that razor-thin loss margin could easily disappear. You can't extrapolate her loss to every woman candidate. It's a massive, glaring double standard when you have perpetually losing white men being handed this mythical "electability" title.My point is that there are more sexist Americans than you think.
shyt there are a lot of women who don't want a woman to be the Commander in Chief.
Are we really arguing against the idea that one of the main reasons why Hillary lost is because people are sexist?
And those people aren't going to vote again?
Hillary running a shyt campaign was only a talking point after she took the L. Prior to that it was supposedly a landslide victory for her.
Sarah Palin is not Hillary Clinton is not Elizabeth Warren is not Kamala Harris. They are all women, but they all have different strengths and weaknesses and should be looked at individually. "Woman" is far too broad a category to be total determinant in assessing the legitimacy of a candidate in 2019.
Copy Ninja
Superstar
Breh you are looking at this sensibly and most sensible people will view it like you and I. But the reality is that there are a whole lot of ignorant folks out there who will see 'woman' and automatically will vote against them. That is my point.
And there are enough out there to sway elections
Can a woman become President? I think sooner or later yeah. I didn't think we'd ever see a black president and yet Obama won 2 terms so that gives us hope.
But for this cycle and these women candidates? I don't have a good feeling. Warren sounds great but her stance which is way too left will turn off a lot of moderates. On top of fighting the sexist. That's a double whammy to me. Same with Kamala. She'll have to go against the sexist and racist.
Bernie is way too left I think to win. Biden, as weak as he looks right now on these debates may give us the best chance to unseat Trump.
how many times, how many ways, how much more evidence do you need that illegal immigration rhetoric is a suicide pill for democrats?
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
My point here is that we were essentially a margin of error from having a Woman president right now, and Hillary was nowhere near women's best shot. It's like saying a black person could never have won the Presidency in '08 if Ben Carson was the candidate instead of Obama. There are a lot of deeply misogynistic people who will refuse to vote for a woman candidate, just as there were a lot of deeply racist people who refused to vote for Obama because he was black. Being a woman/black is a handicap, but it's not insurmountable.Breh you are looking at this sensibly and most sensible people will view it like you and I. But the reality is that there are a whole lot of ignorant folks out there who will see 'woman' and automatically will vote against them. That is my point.
And there are enough out there to sway elections
Can a woman become President? I think sooner or later yeah. I didn't think we'd ever see a black president and yet Obama won 2 terms so that gives us hope.
I think these critiques are stronger because they look at the candidates individually, but I disagree. Biden has lost badly every time he's run for President, yet for some reason, those losses never seem to stick and he is granted unlimited chances as if he is owed the Presidency. It's insane. He's a terrible campaigner, and only looks to be getting worse. Trump would make minced meat out of doddering, stuttering Joe Biden who has been on the wrong side of just about every issue over the span of his career. Trump is going to pummel the shyt out of him and we'll see Biden's lack of dynamism on display as he has senior moment after senior moment just like we saw in these debates, and people are going to turn away from the whole grotesque spectacle. He's is the riskiest choice out of the frontrunners. Vitality is what wins elections for Democrats. Giving people a reason to show up. It's been that way since Kennedy. Joe Biden is a stultifying candidate in the mold of Hillary, Kerry, and Dukakis. And it's not just an age thing, it's a vision thing. Bernie is old as bones but has a young, dynamic spirit and vision. Just compare his debate performance with Biden's. Warren is the most energetic candidate in the entire field and has an incredibly dynamic political vision. I'm not sure what to make of Kamala yet, but if she loses, it won't be because she is the same race as the previous President who is the most popular politician alive. All three are better bets than Joe Biden.
Dillah810
Flat Girther
You seem to keep ignoring the fact that Hilary won the popular vote over a man. A white man at that.My point is that there are more sexist Americans than you think.
shyt there are a lot of women who don't want a woman to be the Commander in Chief.
Are we really arguing against the idea that one of the main reasons why Hillary lost is because people are sexist?
And those people aren't going to vote again?
Hillary running a shyt campaign was only a talking point after she took the L. Prior to that it was supposedly a landslide victory for her.
storyteller
Veteran
As long as people like you keep pushing white supermacist talking points and confusing people on the realities of the issue, it will absolutely continue to hurt for Democrats to be honest and proactive about solutions for immigration issues.
Was coretta Scott king a white supremacist?
Barbara Jordan?
Bernie Sanders?
How about Barack Obama?
people forget that Hillary basically WAS the best candidate because...she fukking was.
She dominated the party by doing what every politician should do and thats by gaining and leveraging power and influence.
The problem now is the lack of democrat leaders. Its NOT a good thing to have all these cats running around the kitchen.
Yall gonna learn to respect black voters.
Vote republican and spare us the concern trolling.
Period.
All supported a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants.
All opposed the white supremacy and bad foreign policy that created crisis such as Cubans rafting over on Styrofoam boats.
you're Tariq/bb arguments have been debunked a million times.
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No matter how hard you try and astroturf for your employer you will continue to receive
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90% of black voters disagree with you.
You should follow the other 10% and vote republican or don't vote at all.
There are at least as many Americans who are racist and who hate Muslims and immigrants, and yet the son of a foreign Muslim with a Muslim name won in a fukking landslide with a bigger % of the vote than anyone since Reagan.You don't agree that Americans for the most part are sexist? Okay breh.
People hated Clinton, she won a shyt campaign, and she still won the popular vote and lost the electoral by minuscule, almost random margins. To claim that it could "never" happen when someone has already come that close is ridiculous, I can't even believe we'll still arguing this.
Copy Ninja
Superstar
I don't believe in that. I think there are more sexist in this country.
People who hate muslims, blacks, or immigrants aren't voting for a black man over a white man in a landslide. Twice. That's crazy mental gymnastics you're doing.