Official 2020 Democratic Primary Debate Thread

[42 Monks]

Are you really under the opinion that Pakistan or NK or Iran is going to nuke America if it pledges to not nuke first? What behavioral logic model is that? They would still be facing eradication if they strike. You're confusing her stance with taking second-strike off the table, which is the real principle behind M.A.D. Taking Liz's stance would actually reduce international tensions and ensures a lasting peace by making disarmament a viable option. If I have a psychotic neighbour who has shot someone in my neighborhood before and refuses to promise not to shoot up my house, am I more or less likely to acquire weapons myself? Now if I know that they will never use their weapon first, am I more or less likely to acquire a weapon?

wtf good is a second strike

and NK/Iran/Pakistan/Etc gonna grow their programs whether we disarm or not. you really think us saying we're gonna chill is make them NOT continue their weapons development?

we're not the center of the world either. Iran got nukes anyone, NK got em for south korea and japan, and pakistan been waiting for india to slip for generations

her viewpoint is from an EXTREMELY narrow and coddled perspective

 

[King Kreole]

Oh I feel you
Warren saying that it’ll close the wealth gap by cancelling 95% of the loan debt and not 100% like Bernie is just a sound bite trying to rope some nikkas in

It’s bullshyt .

Warren says it will close the racial wealth gap more, because white people are overrepresented in high wage earners, which is true.

 

[#1 pick]

I know ya'll Democrats got your guys, Bernie, Biden, Harris, Warren etc but none of them beating Trump. Only Williamson can beat him. You can't beat the evil power with guys in the middle. You need Captain Planet.

Warren is nice af but she lied about being Indian, Trump can bully her and even those Warren is tough and thick skinned. The white supremacists will just drown her. Not to mention, her party won't be beyond her like that.

Bernie has a shot but he can't beat Trump. Struggles with Blacks and he will face the same fate as Hillary.

Biden is has the best chance as the establishment will be all in but I just feel like he just isn't an interesting candidate at the end of the day and v. Trump, you need to be dynamic which Warren is.

Harris, I can't stand she so I'll just pass on comments

Williamson has the best chance. Dynamic. Anti Trump. Love v. War. No political experience like Trump which helps with those who hates the establishment. I believe if she won, she would be a movement like Obama and Trump. I just don't see that with Warren who gets my vote or others.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[42 Monks]

There's no real change in the behavioural logic for Iran in this circumstance. They would still get blown to smithereens if they dropped a nuclear bomb on Iran. Again, y'all are confusing first (preemptive) strike for second (retaliatory) strike.

People just geeked up to blow shyt up and kill people for no reason.

okay see thats the problem

deterrent >>>>>>>>>> retaliation (based on the hopes that people will be nice if we're nice first)

not the other way around

 

[Primetime21]

I know ya'll Democrats got your guys, Bernie, Biden, Harris, Warren etc but none of them beating Trump. Only Williamson can beat him. You can't beat the evil power with guys in the middle. You need Captain Planet.

Warren is nice af but she lied about being Indian, Trump can bully her and even those Warren is tough and thick skinned. The white supremacists will just drown her. Not to mention, her party won't be beyond her like that.

Bernie has a shot but he can't beat Trump. Struggles with Blacks and he will face the same fate as Hillary.

Biden is has the best chance as the establishment will be all in but I just feel like he just isn't an interesting candidate at the end of the day and v. Trump, you need to be dynamic which Warren is.

Harris, I can't stand she so I'll just pass on comments

Williamson has the best chance. Dynamic. Anti Trump. Love v. War. No political experience like Trump which helps with those who hates the establishment. I believe if she won, she would be a movement like Obama and Trump. I just don't see that with Warren who gets my vote or others.

You're overselling the collective intelligence and humanity of the American public. Marianne would get washed up in a general election vs Trump

 

[acri1]

The people talking that student loan debt only effect whites must be in their late 30s and 40s .

No way y’all kicking it with nikkas in my age group talking that .


Sound kind of detached and out of touch

They're not saying it only effects whites, they're saying that whites are on average more likely to have student loan debt (because a higher percentage go to college in the first place) and thus this would benefit them disproportionately.

Which I guess is true but student loans need to be addressed in some way; I'm open to other ideas though.

you think people didn't threaten each other before? or throughout literally all of human history?

nukes are the only 'pistol' nations respect. and they work so well they don't have to be used either

peace isn't understanding and outreach, its respect. everyone in the world respects a nuke.

You make it sound like WW3 will start the instant we stop threatening to nuke people as a first resort.

 

[Hood Critic]

I think the problem is I'm looking at this from an even bigger picture perspective than you are. I don't mean that as a diss.

So I understand all the info there, yes black people are more likely to borrow and default. Yes canceling debt will benefit black people.

Equally canceling the debt increases the buying power of white America more because they simply have more total debt. Now as the economy adjusts, the money the black families save in debt payments is worth less as all costs rise due to everyone having more money. Often white America can survive with student loan payments and own homes but now have additional money to invest or purchase investment properties, where black people are now able to afford rent or finally afford a home. Sure technically everyone benefits, but it's like giving a universal 10% tax break. People with larger incomes save more, which increases their overall worth at a faster rate.

Not that it's feasible, but leaving student debt alone and making 2 year college free for black people (as a wild example) would actually have a bigger impact imo than just broadly canceling student loan debt for all.

You can't have it both ways, lift the debt from black folks but leave the whites saddled with the same debt. Not to mention you admitted that said debt doesn't even affect the wealth or wealth building potential of a percentage of the same whites. So big picture is you'd rather a black family not be able to build an investment portfolio at all because it will ultimately allow a white family to increase the percentage on the same investment portfolio they were going to have anyway. You can't possibly not see how ridiculous that is.

 

[#1 pick]

You're overselling the collective intelligence and humanity of the American public. Marianne would get washed up in a general election vs Trump

Exactly, this is a country that's a white supremacist nation at the root. It's hard to beat Trump. The white supremacists is just too large of a group

 

[42 Monks]

They're not saying it only effects whites, they're saying that whites are on average more likely to have student loan debt (because a higher percentage go to college in the first place) and thus this would benefit them disproportionately.

Which I guess is true but student loans need to be addressed in some way; I'm open to other ideas though.




You make it sound like WW3 will start the instant we stop threatening to nuke people as a first resort.

Yes.

Because people don't give a fukk about a gradual loss of life over years at a time vs their cities fukking vaporizing in an instant

the world has proven time and time against that they're okay - everywhere - with war. but you can't name a single nuclear nation that's been invaded and even the allies of said nations have seen greater security from invasion than any other time in human history

 

[FAH1223]

I know ya'll Democrats got your guys, Bernie, Biden, Harris, Warren etc but none of them beating Trump. Only Williamson can beat him. You can't beat the evil power with guys in the middle. You need Captain Planet.

Warren is nice af but she lied about being Indian, Trump can bully her and even those Warren is tough and thick skinned. The white supremacists will just drown her. Not to mention, her party won't be beyond her like that.

Bernie has a shot but he can't beat Trump. Struggles with Blacks and he will face the same fate as Hillary.

Biden is has the best chance as the establishment will be all in but I just feel like he just isn't an interesting candidate at the end of the day and v. Trump, you need to be dynamic which Warren is.

Harris, I can't stand she so I'll just pass on comments

Williamson has the best chance. Dynamic. Anti Trump. Love v. War. No political experience like Trump which helps with those who hates the establishment. I believe if she won, she would be a movement like Obama and Trump. I just don't see that with Warren who gets my vote or others.

In a general election

90% of blacks are voting for the nominee

The trick is getting black folk in WI, MI to turn out in good numbers. It’s gotta be 55-60% turnout to win those states and vote Pennsylvania.

Black turnout dropped in the Midwest in 2016. Some of it is voter ID. But a lot of it is enthusiasm.

People have to vote for something but Trump is SO polarizing and unpopular, the Dem establishment thinks his awfulness will drive turnout. It might but you can’t just make that assumption.

 

[acri1]

I fukk with Williamson but let's not lie to ourselves, she's not beating Trump in any way, shape, or form

If the Dem wins and decides to have a spiritual advisor or something she should be first on the list tho.

 

[88m3]

I don't think nuclear weapons are really worth arguing about Trump royally f'd up arms treaties with Russia and I don't see that improving until Putin is gone.
I haven't read any papers about China and arms reduction goals there either in a long time.

I think getting a national health care system in place is more important than student debt cancellation but I think for government loans they should find a way to at least reduce interest rates, and stop making loans/grants available to for profit colleges

 

[King Kreole]

wtf good is a second strike

and NK/Iran/Pakistan/Etc gonna grow their programs whether we disarm or not. you really think us saying we're gonna chill is make them NOT continue their weapons development?

we're not the center of the world either. Iran got nukes anyone, NK got em for south korea and japan, and pakistan been waiting for india to slip for generations

her viewpoint is from an EXTREMELY narrow and coddled perspective

second strike is a critical idea behind Mutually Assured Destruction...

Negotiations around disarmament become far more realistic and logical when unilateral first strikes are taken off the table. You're right that there are other geopolitical hot zones in this, but for the US to lead on this issue and become a broker for disarmament, it cannot have a preemptive strike policy in the books. Y'all thinking on some roided-up super aggressive shyt unnecessarily

 

[LurkMoar]

The people talking that student loan debt only effect whites must be in their late 30s and 40s .

No way y’all kicking it with nikkas in my age group talking that .


Sound kind of detached and out of touch

What percentage of black people go to college?