Official 2018 NFL Draft Thread (April 26th, 2018)

[King P]

Lamar to me is the 2nd best QB in this draft behind The Rosen One.

I hope he goes to a team where the coaching staff can properly develop him. Possibly sit for a year. Steelers and Saints would be excellent landing spots for him

 

[#1 pick]

Lamar to me is the 2nd best QB in this draft behind The Rosen One.

I hope he goes to a team where the coaching staff can properly develop him. Possibly sit for a year. Steelers and Saints would be excellent landing spots for him

Rosen is really going to have to go to the right situation. His lack of intangibles is scary

 

[yseJ]

This draft is goin to have a lot of bust. A lot of these players are nothing special

its finna be somewhat top heavy in the first. means a lot of players with decent floors but not a super high ceiling in the middle of the first round

still depth-wise its a decent draft. qb, ol and db is deep this year

 

[Professor K.]

Agreed but I want this narrative to die too. Jackson’s greatest strength is throwing the damn ball. He can go to Cleveland or NYG or NYJ or Denver or wherever they need a QB just like all the other guys can. He doesn’t need to be in some neo-spread option offense to succeed. He ran less of that RPO shyt in college than Darnold and Mayfield did but you’ll never hear that “play to his strengths” BS about them

 

[#1 pick]

Agreed but I want this narrative to die too. Jackson’s greatest strength is throwing the damn ball. He can go to Cleveland or NYG or NYJ or Denver or wherever they need a QB just like all the other guys can. He doesn’t need to be in some neo-spread option offense to succeed. He ran less of that RPO shyt in college than Darnold and Mayfield did but you’ll never hear that “play to his strengths” BS about them

Because he's a system QB via NFL. If you can't play in that law school system, they say that you are a system QB. Even Cam, he's considered a run option shotgun based QB. To win with him, you need backs and a very good defense.

NFL systems are based around complex schemes and understanding. It's hard as shyt for anyone. But NFL guys don't like QBs like Jackson cause they are system QBs. That said, Jackson is one hell of a talent and can win a team a lot of games. He needs an offensive minded coach with a good defensive coordinator. No one has mentioned this, but I like him in New York for the Gaints. They have better options tho with Rosen and Darold. Lamar is the most talented player in the draft to me but I see the issues. The inaccuracy and my biggest quip is he's not as fast as college Vick or has the arm. His decision making, and court vision is better. He's not a no brainer to me like DeShaun was.

 

[#1 pick]

Great listen.

 

[Professor K.]

Because he's a system QB via NFL. If you can't play in that law school system, they say that you are a system QB. Even Cam, he's considered a run option shotgun based QB. To win with him, you need backs and a very good defense.

NFL systems are based around complex schemes and understanding. It's hard as shyt for anyone. But NFL guys don't like QBs like Jackson cause they are system QBs. That said, Jackson is one hell of a talent and can win a team a lot of games. He needs an offensive minded coach with a good defensive coordinator. No one has mentioned this, but I like him in New York for the Gaints. They have better options tho with Rosen and Darold. Lamar is the most talented player in the draft to me but I see the issues. The inaccuracy and my biggest quip is he's not as fast as college Vick or has the arm. His decision making, and court vision is better. He's not a no brainer to me like DeShaun was.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic with this system QB shyt or you actually believe it. I wouldn’t put Jackson in a WCO but I wouldn’t put Allen, Darnold, or Rudolph in one either. He’s more accurate than those 3 as well. And I don’t give a fukk if he’s as fast as Vick. He doesn’t have to be the fastest QB ever to be successful in the league. Is Mayfield’s release point as high as Brees? That is a much better prospect comparison and much more important to analyze in regards to future success. But ain’t nobody questioning that shyt

 

[#1 pick]

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic with this system QB shyt or you actually believe it. I wouldn’t put Jackson in a WCO but I wouldn’t put Allen, Darnold, or Rudolph in one either. He’s more accurate than those 3 as well. And I don’t give a fukk if he’s as fast as Vick. He doesn’t have to be the fastest QB ever to be successful in the league. Is Mayfield’s release point as high as Brees? That is a much better prospect comparison and much more important to analyze in regards to future success. But ain’t nobody questioning that shyt

When I say system, I mean you have to run a specific offense for him to be most effective.

This is not an issue if you land in a good situation for a QB. Tom Brady was considered a system QB.

I think Mayfield is the best QB in this class. That doesn't mean, I don't like Lamar. I love Lamar, my favorite player in ages but from the way I rate QBs after pass failures. I am more open to seeing many of my fan types for what they are. I see a lot in Jackson but he's gonna need to be around talent in the NFL. He is not going to get you into the best sets as a rookie. You will have a limited playbook from that stance but he has a great idea of NFL concepts. He's far more advanced than Vick was out of VT.

Mayfield doesn't have to have the same abilities as Brees to be effective at the next level. Does Brady have the accuracy of Marino?

But Brady is GOAT. Stop it. Quit trolling.

 

[Professor K.]

When I say system, I mean you have to run a specific offense for him to be most effective.

This is not an issue if you land in a good situation for a QB. Tom Brady was considered a system QB.

I think Mayfield is the best QB in this class. That doesn't mean, I don't like Lamar. I love Lamar, my favorite player in ages but from the way I rate QBs after pass failures. I am more open to seeing many of my fan types for what they are. I see a lot in Jackson but he's gonna need to be around talent in the NFL. He is not going to get you into the best sets as a rookie. You will have a limited playbook from that stance but he has a great idea of NFL concepts. He's far more advanced than Vick was out of VT.

Mayfield doesn't have to have the same abilities as Brees to be effective at the next level. Does Brady have the accuracy of Marino?

But Brady is GOAT. Stop it. Quit trolling.

I’m not trolling. I actually think Mayfield is the best QB in the draft. But if Mayfield doesn’t need to be Brees then why does Jackson have to be Vick? That’s bullshyt

 

[PortCityProphet]

Yall still running round here acting like Vick was a great QB?

 

[#1 pick]

I’m not trolling. I actually think Mayfield is the best QB in the draft. But if Mayfield doesn’t need to be Brees then why does Jackson have to be Vick? That’s bullshyt

You don't get what I am talking about.

Vick as a rookie or out of college was a legit 4.25-4.28 runner. Jackson is a 4.38-4.41 runner. The difference when in the NFL is massive. You don't realize it till you watch the NFL as both of these nikkas just too fast for college. Vick would get to spaces that I only see CJ2K get to. Jackson has RG3 speed, which is elite but you got some LB's who are nearly as fast. No one is as fast as Vick. Also, that cannon arm. Jackson has a great arm. Vick had a OMG arm! He was able to flick his wrist and make any throw he liked. Jackson while he has a great arm, he doesn't come close to Vick's. Also, overtime speed. Vick at the end of his career was a 4.48-4.5 runner. Jackson should be a 4.58-4.61 runner. Will he be effective at that speed remains to be seen but we seen Cam lose some speed and his abilities dropped quite a bit due to it. That's alarming.

That said, Lamar doesn't have that stocky frame Vick or the other small guys have. That said, Lamar has long arms and thick (NH) thighs which should hold well in a 16 game season.

That said, Lamar decision making and field vision out of college is superior to Vick's and will always be better as well. I have my questions about Lamar. Some similar to Vick. Accuracy is an issue. Dealing with the blitz can be an issue. Doesn't make his weapons better which Vick had issues with as well as well as checking the line into the right protections as well. That said, I like what I see. He can be a dynamic impact even Day 1 but to maintain this for years to come, depends on his coaching staff, management, and ownership. I have him with a 2nd round grade but I have him as a top 3 overall draft talent. Behind only Barkley (RB) and Nelson (OG).

 

[#1 pick]

Yall still running round here acting like Vick was a great QB?

He was my favorite QB and my great but no, I don't consider him to be a great QB. He a borderline HOF QB who had some great seasons, some good ones, some so-so, and some flat out bad seasons as a starter.

 

[Professor K.]

You don't get what I am talking about.

Vick as a rookie or out of college was a legit 4.25-4.28 runner. Jackson is a 4.38-4.41 runner. The difference when in the NFL is massive. You don't realize it till you watch the NFL as both of these nikkas just too fast for college. Vick would get to spaces that I only see CJ2K get to. Jackson has RG3 speed, which is elite but you got some LB's who are nearly as fast. No one is as fast as Vick. Also, that cannon arm. Jackson has a great arm. Vick had a OMG arm! He was able to flick his wrist and make any throw he liked. Jackson while he has a great arm, he doesn't come close to Vick's. Also, overtime speed. Vick at the end of his career was a 4.48-4.5 runner. Jackson should be a 4.58-4.61 runner. Will he be effective at that speed remains to be seen but we seen Cam lose some speed and his abilities dropped quite a bit due to it. That's alarming.

That said, Lamar doesn't have that stocky frame Vick or the other small guys have. That said, Lamar has long arms and thick (NH) thighs which should hold well in a 16 game season.

That said, Lamar decision making and field vision out of college is superior to Vick's and will always be better as well. I have my questions about Lamar. Some similar to Vick. Accuracy is an issue. Dealing with the blitz can be an issue. Doesn't make his weapons better which Vick had issues with as well as well as checking the line into the right protections as well. That said, I like what I see. He can be a dynamic impact even Day 1 but to maintain this for years to come, depends on his coaching staff, management, and ownership. I have him with a 2nd round grade but I have him as a top 3 overall draft talent. Behind only Barkley (RB) and Nelson (OG).

No, you don’t get it.

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING LAMAR JACKSON TO MICHAEL VICK?

There is no reason to compare the two besides them being fast and Black and QBs, same things they have in common with Watson and Newton and Taylor and Kaepernick and dozens more. Moreover, you’re basing your evaluation primarily on his legs instead of his arm talent, which I see more as a Matt Stafford/Derek Carr type and not really comparable to Vick for better or worse. You yourself just said they aren’t built the same, so there’s no reason at all for them to be compared. Doing so is some lazy ass bullshyt and needs to stop.

 

[#1 pick]

No, you don’t get it.

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING LAMAR JACKSON TO MICHAEL VICK?

There is no reason to compare the two besides them being fast and Black and QBs, same things they have in common with Watson and Newton and Taylor and Kaepernick and dozens more. Moreover, you’re basing your evaluation primarily on his legs instead of his arm talent, which I see more as a Matt Stafford/Derek Carr type and not really comparable to Vick for better or worse. You yourself just said they aren’t built the same, so there’s no reason at all for them to be compared. Doing so is some lazy ass bullshyt and needs to stop.

Because he's most similar to Michael Vick. The same reason why people compared Cam to Big Ben. Because they have playing similarities.

I don't see Derek Carr or Stafford in terms of passing, better at progressions/field vision but no where near as good at the line as Stafford out of college, in fact, not close and no where near the arm. Carr, I can see some similarities. Not quite the same passer as Carr. Carr was much more accurate but all else aside, I see similarities. I felt Carr was drafted where I graded him, 2nd round but honestly, he's not as good as some of these guys in this class. Not the top 5-6 guys. There is a gap between him and Jackson. I can see him and Randolph being on the same level. Jackson's legs really set him apart but even as just a pocket passer. Jackson is a 3rd-4rd round grade due to his footwork, field vision, IQ, and pocket mobility. With those legs, you got a top tier talent but the question is longevity and system fit with him. Not so much personnel like with Rosen or coaching style like with Josh Allen.

 

[TUA TAGOVAILOA]

Jackson reminds me a lot of Mahommes from last year actually. Huge arm with the most potential of any QB in the draft, if someone can help polish his mechanics and footwork he has a chance with how athletic he is. He will just have to go to the right team that knows how to use him.