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Where is your references/evidence that USA has a better health care then those nations? i'll wait
Obamacare is coming :lupe:
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mbewane
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Sure.
But early America shows that capitalism can not only stand on its own, but flourish and produce the worlds leading nation. Socialism alone, crumbles or is forced to evolve...
Not sure where all the hate for capitalism, or praise for socialism economically comes from...
Morally socialism is just wrong IMHO.
There's no hate for capitalism, but I do hate when people act as if states (meaning fellow citizens) don't play a HUGE part in providing the necessary context for individuals to flourish. The US's success is undeniable, no one denies that, but it's not in spite of governement participating in the economy, it's BECAUSE it did so in a better way than communist (let's keep the distinction between "socialist" and "communist") countries.It's basically a selfish attitude in which the rich say that they "made it on their own" without acknowledging the fact that the state helped out countless times, and provide the very setting for those people to flourish.
Anyone who has studied economy and public politics and is honest knows that capitalism is better for micro policies, and socialism is better for macro policies. Otherwise no economist can find a "capitalist" reason for having states, public hospitals, a public police, armies, public education, public infrastructure etc.
And the US is a very interventionnist state breh, from the military industrial complex to space programs to involvment in new technologies. Let's not forget the State...bailing out banks lol.
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt..._innovation_comes_from_public_investment.html
Didnt get my point did you? If its simple appeals to authority that determine your ideas and beliefs, ill google some charts that show America is the best and post em... though we both know they are not going to change your mind
what we can afford has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of producing anything. We will either pay those costs or not get the benefits. Moreover, if we cannot afford the quantity and quality of medical care that we want now, the government has no miraculous way of enabling us to afford it in the future.
If you think the government can lower medical costs by eliminating "waste, fraud and abuse," as some Washington politicians claim, the logical question is: Why haven't they done that already?
Liberals want someone(Doctors) to provide them services on the cheap.
fukk outta here....become a doctor if you want cheap services.
this is capitalism, if I ever had the knowledge to become a doctor I would be charging TOP dollar
fukk outta here....become a doctor if you want cheap services.
this is capitalism, if I ever had the knowledge to become a doctor I would be charging TOP dollar
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I'm dead in the middle of studying all of this stuff because October1st is the first major deadline for the businesses. Seems to me they're looking for money based on the fees that entities may or may not have to pay.
I think you are confusing cheaper with "better"
Fact No. 1:
Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for most common as well as rare cancers. Among more common cancers, the breast cancer mortality rate is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is strikingly higher in the UK and in Norway. Age-standardized death rates from prostate cancer from 1980 –2005 have been reduced far faster in the United States than in the fifteen other developed nations studied, attesting to superior outcomes in what is the most common cancer among men.
The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher. Americans, whether men or women, enjoy superior overall survival from cancer than western Europeans.
Fact No. 2:
Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians. Breast cancer mortality is 9 percent higher, for example; prostate cancer is 184 percent higher; and colon cancer mortality among men is about 10 percent higher than in the United States.
Fact No. 3:
Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries. Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons, and 17 percent of Italians receive them.
Fact No. 4:
Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians. Take the proportion of the appropriate age population groups who have received recommended tests for breast, cervical, prostrate and colon cancer:
- Nine out of ten middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72 percent).
- Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear, compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
- More than half of U.S. men (54 percent) have had a PSA test, compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
- Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. It is often claimed that government-financed health care systems, such as Canada’s, eliminate income-related barriers to health. The ‘‘health- income gradient’’ (i.e. the concept that higher income achieves better health, and lower income means worse health) for adults 16 to 64 years old reveals a more severe disparity in Canada than in the United States.
Specifically, twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower-income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."
Fact No. 6:
Americans spend much less time waiting than patients in Canada and the UK—to see a specialist, to have life-changing elective surgery like hip replacements or cataract removal, or to get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.
Fact No. 7:
Americans are not alone, among residents of developed countries, in believing their health systems need major reforms. The unspoken truth is that those with more government control of their health systems, the very countries purported to serve as the models for a reformed American system, are similarly highly dissatisfied and believe their own health systems need fundamental change or complete rebuilding.
More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults, say their health systems need either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding," and 60 percent of western Europeans say their systems need "urgent" reform.
Fact No. 8:
Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians, a highly government-controlled health system often portrayed by the media as a system to emulate. When asked directly about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; fewer Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).
Fact No. 9:
Americans have much better access to important new technologies like medical imaging than patients in Canada or the UK. An overwhelming majority of leading American physicians say computerized tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), which have been maligned as a waste by economists and targeted by the Congress and many policymakers naïve to actual medical practice, were the most important medical innovations for improving patient care during the previous decade.
The United States has thirty-four CT scanners per million population, compared to twelve in Canada and eight in Britain. The United States has nearly twenty-seven MRI machines per million compared to about six per million in Canada and Britain.
Fact No. 10:
By any variety of measures, Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations, innovations from which the entire world benefits. The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other single developed country.
Since the mid-1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to American residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. From 1969 to 2008, Americans (2009 population, 307 million) won or shared the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology fifty-seven times compared with forty times by medical scientists from the European Union, Switzerland, Japan, Canada, and Australia combined (2009 combined population, 681 million).
Indeed, of the past thirty-four years, there were only five years in which a scientist living in America didn’t either win or share in the prize.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/58971
shyt breh, who says it still doesnt
u been watchin the verdicts/readin comment sections lately
Irrelevant.
What is relevant is how people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it... as if adding more people to the chain makes it cheaper somehow.
We spend more, cause we get more. Period.
I don't mean to offend you, but your understanding of economics and healthcare is very shallow. Maybe you should take a more curious tone instead of this arrogant posture you have adopted. Your posts on these matters read like run of the mill right wing radio talking points.
Is that a rebuttal? if so could you be more specific? List some examples?you used "run of the mill right wing radio" as though the right is inherently wrong(which neither side is)
Whats that about? or did I misunderstand? 
Futuristic Eskimo
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The US's debt problem is entirely overstated. Our debt to GDP, while high, isnt a problem that cannot be solved using relatively moderate means. If we had Japanese levels of debt, I might be inclined to agree. people throwing out the amount of debt instead of comparing it to GDP are simply trying to scare others.Even the UNIONS are losing members in the tens of thousands because of Obamacare. Rationed healthcare never works efficiently, look at Cuba. Too bad these c00ns didn't listen to an actual doctor talking about the medical business like Dr. Ben Carson who has practiced medicine most of his life.
Who would you rather get your medical advice from, a lawyer or a doctor? Imagine 535 lawyers trying to give you a medical opinion?
Why were they wrong? Spending money you don't have is always a recipe for disaster.
Daily reminder for the Krugman and Keynes fanboys: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
How can it not be the greatest nation on earth when even Chinese aristocrats send their pregnant wives to America to make sure their children are born US citizens? What other country in the world has experienced the immigration that America has? Can it be that our economic policies (limited government, unregulated markets) drove people in the millions to our shores? It's funny how you never hear of Americans swimming the Gulf to get into Cuba. Isn't it kind of ironic how immigration has hit an all time low, at a time where the government has grown to it's largest size ever.
Medicare isn't more efficient than private insurance. The government doesn't provide health services, they contract it out to private companies of their preference (which is corporatism basically), another reason we should avoid government mandated healthcare like the plague.
I don't know about that one, Detroit might be the only American city that actually looks like it got bombed in a war, but lots of European cities look like they got bombed especially those former Soviet ones. Also, I've read about how poverty is so bad in some European countries that people have taken to self immolation as a form of protest. Never saw that once here in America.
Then why are most mixed systems failing all over the world? Hong Kong, the 'freest' market on earth continues to thrive, while these "mixed" systems are falling apart.
Just this week, Norway's conservatives won in land slide elections. Yeah, that Norway, the socialist utopia you guys on the left like to cite when you talk about healthcare and education. Guess what though... this is what the conservative platform looked like:
Sweden has also voted for conservative minded politicians in the last two elections, under similar platforms as well. But hey... keep talking up these "mixed' economies of your precious Europe, when even the EUROPEANS are starting to turn away from them
- lower taxes
- cut spending and waste
- privatize healthcare and other costly social programs
- balance the budget
Your anecdotal evidence of Chinese aristocrats is lovely but that isnt any proof of anything.
@ you trying to correlate the levels of immigration and the size of government.Private insurance doesn't provide health services either. Doctors do. The only purpose private insurance has is to leech profits from a system whose goal should be to guarantee the health of the population. If you did even a shred of research on the subject, you would know medicare is much more efficient than private companies. Its been documented that their administrative costs greatly exceed that of medicare.
What European cities? I doubt you can find anything you described from Poland on westward.
Freemarketers love to cite Hong Kong, but theyve been moving towards a more mixed economy in recent years. Your point about Sweden and Norway is useless. They are not advocating abandoning a mixed economy at all. There might be an effort to incorporate more privatization, but youd be a complete idiot if you are argue that Europe is abandoning the mixed economy in exchange for a fully free market. Stop trying to use a movement to the right in a few countries as proof that this system is a failure. Its dishonest.
Futuristic Eskimo
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you know how to read breh? theres more to the sentence
I am @ how you are down playing our current financial situation...
and you are definitely down playing it, whether you want to admit it or not?
@ how you are down playing our current financial situation...and you are definitely down playing it, whether you want to admit it or not?
The red highlight was a bit 
Futuristic Eskimo
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Not really downplaying it. It needs to be addressed, but as long as the USD is the international reserve currency, there is basically no chance of the hyperinflation associated with extremely high debt levels, which we haven't even reached yet.I am
and you are definitely down playing it, whether you want to admit it or not?
The red highlight was a bit
