Obamacare is coming? As in future tense?
This thread lost all credibility in its first 3 words
This thread lost all credibility in its first 3 words
Obamacare is coming :lupe:
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Even the UNIONS are losing members in the tens of thousands because of Obamacare. Rationed healthcare never works efficiently, look at Cuba. Too bad these c00ns didn't listen to an actual doctor talking about the medical business like Dr. Ben Carson who has practiced medicine most of his life.
Who would you rather get your medical advice from, a lawyer or a doctor? Imagine 535 lawyers trying to give you a medical opinion?
Daily reminder for the Krugman and Keynes fanboys: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Just this week, Norway's conservatives won in land slide elections. Yeah, that Norway, the socialist utopia you guys on the left like to cite when you talk about healthcare and education. Guess what though... this is what the conservative platform looked like:
Who would you rather get your medical advice from, a lawyer or a doctor? Imagine 535 lawyers trying to give you a medical opinion?
Why were they wrong? Spending money you don't have is always a recipe for disaster.
Daily reminder for the Krugman and Keynes fanboys: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
How can it not be the greatest nation on earth when even Chinese aristocrats send their pregnant wives to America to make sure their children are born US citizens? What other country in the world has experienced the immigration that America has? Can it be that our economic policies (limited government, unregulated markets) drove people in the millions to our shores? It's funny how you never hear of Americans swimming the Gulf to get into Cuba. Isn't it kind of ironic how immigration has hit an all time low, at a time where the government has grown to it's largest size ever.
Medicare isn't more efficient than private insurance. The government doesn't provide health services, they contract it out to private companies of their preference (which is corporatism basically), another reason we should avoid government mandated healthcare like the plague.
I don't know about that one, Detroit might be the only American city that actually looks like it got bombed in a war, but lots of European cities look like they got bombed especially those former Soviet ones. Also, I've read about how poverty is so bad in some European countries that people have taken to self immolation as a form of protest. Never saw that once here in America.
Then why are most mixed systems failing all over the world? Hong Kong, the 'freest' market on earth continues to thrive, while these "mixed" systems are falling apart.
Just this week, Norway's conservatives won in land slide elections. Yeah, that Norway, the socialist utopia you guys on the left like to cite when you talk about healthcare and education. Guess what though... this is what the conservative platform looked like:
- lower taxes
- cut spending and waste
- privatize healthcare and other costly social programs
- balance the budget
It hasn't been fully implemented, especially the "employer mandate" until AFTER the 2014 midterm elections.
Obama is shook at the political backlash it's going to cost the democrats.
Fully meaning it is in progress and has been for years. Trust me, I know, I've worked on projects aimed at meeting certain deadlines.
The insurance exchanges in all 50 states goes live on October 1st. That serves as a better starting point to the analyze the backlash.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
There's a huge difference between, for example, socialism in France, Denmark or Keynes-inspired Big Deal/stimulus US policies and Soviet Union communism. Hell there's even a big difference between Soviet Union communism and Chinese communism.
The closer they are to a market based economy the better off they are.
China being a good example.
Though extreme poverty is still rampant there.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
The closer they are to a market based economy the better off they are.
China being a good example.
Though extreme poverty is still rampant there.
That's my point, whatever you call "socialist" economies doesn't exist, you had communist economies (they failed and/or evolved), the rest are all mixed economies, market and socialist. Only difference is which aspect is dominant.
i dont know what statistics youre measuring your response on but poverty in the US is a much bigger problem than Europe as a whole. just because it doesnt fit in with your idea of America being gods gift to man doesnt make it so
i dont understand what you mean exactly by health care being an ailing part of our nation but medicare is much more efficient than private health care in the US. if anything, you should be connecting the dots between the privatization of an essential service such as health care and its poor performance compared to its European counterparts.
anyway im guessing from your posts youre one of those people who wants to privatize everything. like i said before, any successful economic system is mixed. that tea party free market austrian bullshyt is all trash
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
Ignorance, these socialized countries have a higher quality of life, Canada, Sweden, Australia
fair enough.
"In many ways"Im sure buttf*ck land in superior in some way. No one said we were perfect...
Whats so hard about saying capitalism has produced the greatest nation of the modern era?
And what wrong with acknowledging the extreme poverty found in many socialist countries?
Many socialist countries experience this "downturn", some even collapsing, yet socialism is never fingered... interesting.
Even here.
The U.S. education system is the most socialized institution in the nation, and now that its beginning to fail, yet no one will blame government control
Hiding in plain sight
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-countries-on-oecd-better-life-index-2013-5?op=1
There are 36 countries, many of them "socialist" with better health care then the USA
http://www.businessinsider.com/best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world-2012-6?op=1
You're c00ning very hard for a country that wanted to lynch your black ass up to about 50 years ago..
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
You forget that when America had a more free economy, children were working for 5 cents a week in mines and factoriesThe closer they are to a market based economy the better off they are.
China being a good example.
Though extreme poverty is still rampant there.
The more "Free" our economy becomes, the more the middle class will shrink, the more fat cats will make, and the less the average joe will make. There will always be someone that is willing to do what you do for less
Sure.But early America shows that capitalism can not only stand on its own, but flourish and produce the worlds leading nation. Socialism alone, crumbles or is forced to evolve...
Not sure where all the hate for capitalism, or praise for socialism economically comes from...
Morally socialism is just wrong IMHO.
Outlaw
New Hope For the HaveNotz
But early America shows that capitalism can not only stand on its own, but flourish and produce the worlds leading nation. Socialism alone, crumbles or is forced to evolve...
Not sure where all the hate for capitalism, or praise for socialism economically comes from...
Morally socialism is just wrong IMHO.
Early America stood on its own because an empire was built on the back of slaves for centuries.
Irrelevant.
What is relevant is how people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it... as if adding more people to the chain makes it cheaper somehow.
We spend more, cause we get more. Period.
Early America stood on its own because an empire was built on the back of slaves for centuries.
those links like most liberal propaganda only consider monetary cost.
The months people in those nations doing well have to wait for surgery isn't factored in, the fact that Americans are seen in private rooms while many people in other nations are treated in hallways and lobbies isn't factored in, etc, etc.
Cost comes in many forms, which is why(actually one of many reasons why) statistics should be taken with a grain of salt.