Obama says Democrats should make sure Ocasio-Cortez has a platform

[dora_da_destroyer]

The full quote itself looks a lot worse than it actually is out of context. His full statement doesn’t have any of the animosity or dismissiveness people laid on it when read in context.

shhh...that's not how social media works....

 

[the kid]

shhh...that's not how social media works....

You right. My bad.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I linked you an article explaining how black people lost their wealth and homes thanks to an Obama era policy, and you are telling me that isn't anything.


What are you writing?

Obama was never going to do any of that because he had NO INTEREST in doing that. That's why he brought in Wall Street and bailed out banks his first term.

Compared to Bush or Trump, it isn’t. You’re going to always have critical articles and studies like that with every President. They’re not perfect. They’re never going to be perfect. Some people are going to always suffer from some policy. I’m sorry that happened to them. But we’re talking about his Presidency in totality. In totality, he was a good President sandwiched between two of the worst Presidents in American history. Saying anything otherwise is disingenuous.

As far as the Wall Street thing, Obama’s black ass was not about to lock up bank ceos, tie them up in litigation, allow multiple corporations to go bankrupt and give aid solely to the people on some Robin Hood sh*t. What were you expecting here? Be realistic. Lehman failed. Banks got bailed out. The Fed stabilized our markets. And Dodd Frank reigned in the irresponsible behavior that created the crisis. And the world moved on. He did his job.

 

[mastermind]

Compared to Bush or Trump, it isn’t.
You’re going to always have critical articles and studies like that with every President. They’re not perfect. They’re never going to be perfect. Some people are going to always suffer from some policy. I’m sorry that happened to them. But we’re talking about his Presidency in totality. In totality, he was a good President sandwiched between two of the worst Presidents in American history. Saying anything otherwise is disingenuous.

First, I am not comparing Obama to Bush and Trump and never have. YOU DID THAT. I am only talking about the Obama presidency.

Secondly, that wealth that left the black community, those homes that were lost, why are you pretending like its not a big deal?

Third, this isn't a critical article, it is a study. Actual research, not an opinion article.
https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Foreclosed.pdf

Lastly, this isn't a "some people suffered but the greater good." He could have helped people and chose not to, and those people are still hurt.

As far as the Wall Street thing, Obama’s black ass was not about to lock up bank ceos, tie them up in litigation, allow multiple corporations to go bankrupt and give aid solely to the people on some Robin Hood sh*t. What were you expecting here? Be realistic. Lehman failed. Banks got bailed out. The Fed stabilized our markets. And Dodd Frank reigned in the irresponsible behavior that created the crisis. And the world moved on. He did his job.

You aren't even reading what I am saying. My post had nothing to do with locking people up--even though he should have--its about the failure of HAMP and how that hurt the black community. Those people don't care about the fukking stock markets.

Look breh, I know you enjoyed the symbol of Obama being president and a very (corporatist and elitist) black White House. That is fine. I think you favored that more and dismissed the bullshyt that was a lot of his presidency. He had the chance to be transformative. He had a supermajority in the House and Senate and he chose not to wield power and help people.

 

[King Kreole]

Compared to Bush or Trump, it isn’t. You’re going to always have critical articles and studies like that with every President. They’re not perfect. They’re never going to be perfect. Some people are going to always suffer from some policy. I’m sorry that happened to them. But we’re talking about his Presidency in totality. In totality, he was a good President sandwiched between two of the worst Presidents in American history. Saying anything otherwise is disingenuous.

As far as the Wall Street thing, Obama’s black ass was not about to lock up bank ceos, tie them up in litigation, allow multiple corporations to go bankrupt and give aid solely to the people on some Robin Hood sh*t. What were you expecting here? Be realistic.

Obama was a mediocre-to-bad President sandwiched between two horrible, WOAT-tier Presidents, and he's very lucky for that.

You should read Reed Hundt's book A Crisis Wasted. Obama had a historical opportunity and mandate to reform structural issues with American governance, economy, and society but he failed. The charitable reading is that he got seduced and suckered by the credentialed idiots he hired, the less charitable reading is that he fully believes in the shytty, harmful policies and ideologies he pursued. This isn't about asking for perfect, it's about assessing the choices he had in front of him and analyzing the ones he took. There was a whole world of possibility and change in front of him that he eschewed in the name of an ultimately bankrupt ideology.

There is absolutely no reason he couldn't have made a show trial of the Wall St criminals like the Valachi Hearings of the 1950s did the Mafia or the Pecora Commission in the 1930s did the financial titans of that day. He had the target in his sight and a green light with his electoral mandate, but he didn't take the shot. He balked.

Obama left the country and Democratic Party in such a state that Donald Trump was able to win against his handpicked successor.

Lehman failed. Banks got bailed out. The Fed stabilized our markets. And Dodd Frank reigned in the irresponsible behavior that created the crisis. And the world moved on. He did his job.

This history is wildly, woefully incomplete.

One can only say he "did his job" if they consider his job to restore and maintain the same socio-economic status quo hierarchies that preceded his election.

 

[Ozymandeas]

First, I am not comparing Obama to Bush and Trump and never have. YOU DID THAT. I am only talking about the Obama presidency.

Secondly, that wealth that left the black community, those homes that were lost, why are you pretending like its not a big deal?

Third, this isn't a critical article, it is a study. Actual research, not an opinion article.
https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Foreclosed.pdf

Lastly, this isn't a "some people suffered but the greater good." He could have helped people and chose not to, and those people are still hurt.


You aren't even reading what I am saying. My post had nothing to do with locking people up--even though he should have--its about the failure of HAMP and how that hurt the black community. Those people don't care about the fukking stock markets.

Look breh, I know you enjoyed the symbol of Obama being president and a very (corporatist and elitist) black White House. That is fine. I think you favored that more and dismissed the bullshyt that was a lot of his presidency. He had the chance to be transformative. He had a supermajority in the House and Senate and he chose not to wield power and help people.

I’m comparing him to Bush and Trump because you’re implying he was a horrible President. Those two were real deal horrible Presidents. I’ve asked you to give a real concrete example how Obama was horrible to Americans on the WHOLE and the best you could offer was a fringe study that affected a sliver of black home buyers. That’s not widespread ineptitude in the same way Trump’s response to Covid was widespread ineptitude or ineptitude in how Bush’s actions led to the Recession. There’s nothing widespread like that in Obama’s legacy. We had a stable 8 years. So your complaint read as disingenuous to me.

As far as Wall Street, that was what you were implying with the “he bailed out the banks, not the people” comment. That’s where you were going with it? No? I’m assuming you’re Black. I’m black. We both know Obama’s black ass was not going to come in, oppose Wall Street, give billions to the people, and let multiple giant American companies fail so you could get your Occupy WS jollies off. You and I BOTH KNOW that wasn’t going to happen with the first black President. You wouldn’t have even did that sh*t if you were in there. So why even bring it up? He played centrist, safe, moderate and nonthreatening because that’s generally what the first black figures do in most fields when they’re the first. If he was a white man like Bernie, he would’ve had the privilege to try to burn down the system but his black ass didn’t. Be realistic.

 

[King Kreole]

I’m comparing him to Bush and Trump because you’re implying he was a horrible President. Those two were real deal horrible Presidents. I’ve asked you to give a real concrete example how Obama was horrible to Americans on the WHOLE and the best you could offer was a fringe study that affected a sliver of black home buyers. That’s not widespread ineptitude in the same way Trump’s response to Covid was widespread ineptitude or ineptitude in how Bush’s actions led to the Recession. There’s nothing widespread like that in Obama’s legacy. We had a stable 8 years. So your complaint read as disingenuous to me.

As far as Wall Street, that was what you were implying with the “he bailed out the banks, not the people” comment. That’s where you were going with it? No? I’m assuming you’re Black. I’m black. We both know Obama’s black ass was not going to come in, oppose Wall Street, give billions to the people, and let multiple giant American companies fail so you could get your Occupy WS jollies off. You and I BOTH KNOW that wasn’t going to happen with the first black President. You wouldn’t have even did that sh*t if you were in there. So why even bring it up? He played centrist, safe, moderate and nonthreatening because that’s generally what the first black figures do in most fields when they’re the first. If he was a white man like Bernie, he would’ve had the privilege to try to burn down the system but his black ass didn’t. Be realistic.

This is a horrible, horrible post.

 

[Ozymandeas]

This is a horrible, horrible post.

This is a horrible, horrible post. I know you looking for attention when I wasn’t talking to you.

@mastermind can articulate his own points. He don’t need you breh.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Obama was a mediocre-to-bad President sandwiched between two horrible, WOAT-tier Presidents, and he's very lucky for that.

You should read Reed Hundt's book A Crisis Wasted. Obama had a historical opportunity and mandate to reform structural issues with American governance, economy, and society but he failed. The charitable reading is that he got seduced and suckered by the credentialed idiots he hired, the less charitable reading is that he fully believes in the shytty, harmful policies and ideologies he pursued. This isn't about asking for perfect, it's about assessing the choices he had in front of him and analyzing the ones he took. There was a whole world of possibility and change in front of him that he eschewed in the name of an ultimately bankrupt ideology.

There is absolutely no reason he couldn't have made a show trial of the Wall St criminals like the Valachi Hearings of the 1950s did the Mafia or the Pecora Commission in the 1930s did the financial titans of that day. He had the target in his sight and a green light with his electoral mandate, but he didn't take the shot. He balked.

Obama left the country and Democratic Party in such a state that Donald Trump was able to win against his handpicked successor.



This history is wildly, woefully incomplete.

One can only say he "did his job" if they consider his job to restore and maintain the same socio-economic status quo hierarchies that preceded his election.

America just voted “Obama” back in so I don’t know what the hell you talking about. 80 million people voted Biden in off the strength of being his man. You’re just a pissed off Bernie Bro and we’ve had tens of conversations already that led nowhere. Not interested in another. Keep your opinion. 80 million people disagree with that sh*t.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

America just voted “Obama” back in so I don’t know what the hell you talking about. 80 million people voted Biden in off the strength of being his man. You’re just a pissed off Bernie Bro and we’ve had tens of conversations already that led nowhere. Not interested in another. Keep your opinion. 80 million people disagree with that sh*t.

He supported Elizabeth Warren. lol

 

[King Kreole]

This is a horrible, horrible post. I know you looking for attention when I wasn’t talking to you.

@mastermind can articulate his own points. He don’t need you breh.

I didn't respond to the rancid, ahistorical crap being spewed in this post because it wasn't addressed to me. I'm just providing color commentary. Carry on.

 

[King Kreole]

America just voted “Obama” back in so I don’t know what the hell you talking about. 80 million people voted Biden in off the strength of being his man. You’re just a pissed off Bernie Bro and we’ve had tens of conversations already that led nowhere. Not interested in another. Keep your opinion. 80 million people disagree with that sh*t.

Oh ok. Have a nice one.

 

[mastermind]

I’m comparing him to Bush and Trump because you’re implying he was a horrible President.

I am not implying this.

I am saying he was not a good president. You want to prop him up based on the clowns around him and that he was teh first black president, but he wasn't a good president. The US hasn't had a good president since FDR/Truman.

I’ve asked you to give a real concrete example how Obama was horrible to Americans on the WHOLE and the best you could offer was a fringe study that affected a sliver of black home buyers.

You realize you did this by saying, "Obama left us with a great stock market!" as if that matters to anyone who isn't wealthy and heavily invested in the stock market.

That’s not widespread ineptitude in the same way Trump’s response to Covid was widespread ineptitude or ineptitude in how Bush’s actions led to the Recession. There’s nothing widespread like that in Obama’s legacy. We had a stable 8 years. So your complaint read as disingenuous to me.

Its disingenuous to say that Americans have not recovered from the 2008 recession and OBama did little to help stop that?

I’m assuming you’re Black. I’m black. We both know Obama’s black ass was not going to come in, oppose Wall Street, give billions to the people, and let multiple giant American companies fail so you could get your Occupy WS jollies off. You and I BOTH KNOW that wasn’t going to happen with the first black President. You wouldn’t have even did that sh*t if you were in there. So why even bring it up? He played centrist, safe, moderate and nonthreatening because that’s generally what the first black figures do in most fields when they’re the first. If he was a white man like Bernie, he would’ve had the privilege to try to burn down the system but his black ass didn’t. Be realistic.

Occupy Wall Street started because Wall Street execs were caking after they destroyed people's lives. The rest of this, man you don't know what you are talking about. You are even suggesting Obama is a p*ssy, in a weird way.

 

[inndaskKy]

 

[Ozymandeas]

I am not implying this.

I am saying he was not a good president. You want to prop him up based on the clowns around him and that he was teh first black president, but he wasn't a good president. The US hasn't had a good president since FDR/Truman.

You realize you did this by saying, "Obama left us with a great stock market!" as if that matters to anyone who isn't wealthy and heavily invested in the stock market.


Its disingenuous to say that Americans have not recovered from the 2008 recession and OBama did little to help stop that?



Occupy Wall Street started because Wall Street execs were caking after they destroyed people's lives. The rest of this, man you don't know what you are talking about. You are even suggesting Obama is a p*ssy, in a weird way.

500,000 people are projected to be dead by April and you talking about Obama wasn’t a “good President” This is ridiculous. Y’all are ridiculous.

That’s why I made the Occupy WS comment genius.

You been grasping at straws to try to justify your Obama hate and why he was the worst and in light of Trump and Bush, it makes you sound silly. How you more angry at Obama for not fixing the fire in the way you wanted than the one who started the fire. Make it make sense. You ignore common sense (that a black President couldn’t effect change in the way you wanted), you ignore what he did do (fixing a fukked up economy that should’ve been a Depression) and you keep calling him horrible yet you can’t pinpoint what he did exactly that makes him a horrible President. I don’t think you know what horrible means and IDK what economic data you looking at...Obama left the economy in much better shape than he found it. Not the stock market. The general economy. You don’t know what you talking about. You just saying sh*t and hoping no one asks you to explain in detail.