NYC's Homeless Population: 50,000

[bzb]

That's a lie. They don't choose to be homeless, they just can't live with 'normal' people......unless you wouldn't mind living next-door to an alcoholic pedophile that killed his mother when he was 10.
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let's be clear. i didn't say all homeless people choose to be homeless.

you don't seriously believe that some of the homeless haven't made a conscious decision to their life that way, do you? there are many homeless that have safe and reliable long term housing available to them. they decide not to take advantage of it and instead live a homeless lifestyle.

consider the nyc cop that gave that homeless man his boots. turns out the guy is homeless by choice and has a history of refusing assistance. there are lots of homeless that fit this profile.​

 

[bzb]

@thekingsmen


you made the claim it was a myth. see above post for my example of homelessness by choice. where's your proof of it being a myth?

my comment was "aggressive panhandling and the city's inability to do something about it hurts the local economy and the nightlife." your original response was "Ignoring the continuous population of homeless shows ignorance of your city and the population". to which my response was "addressing an issue that requires resources (money) when they're laying off police, firemen, teachers, closing schools, and reducing the budget isn't exactly a sign of ignorance. priorities maybe, but not ignorance". now you're moving the goal posts to "When your view is "Oh look at the homeless people ruining my night life at the club" was ignorance".

let's be consistent. the fact is homelessness is a drag on city resources, their economy, and their ability to draw revenue (conventions, tourism, and yes nightlife) to the city. especially here in atl where we have a huge convention presence, but city businesses and restaurants complain that people don't spend money here after dark because they're scared of the aggressive panhandling.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Swept under the rug...it's Bloomberg remember?

Underground building contraband for ww3?

 

[88m3]

It's a conspiracy!

 

[daze23]

New York City
On June 22, 2010, the New York City Department of Homeless Services reported that the sheltered homeless population consisted of:[122]
250,000 families with children
300,000 adult families
450,000 single adults
1,000,000 total individuals

According to wikipedia 3 years ago. Where did they all go?

I think the discrepancy has to do with the fact that the 50,000 number specifies how many people are in the shelter system "each night". the larger number is probably how many pass through in a year or some shyt

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

consider the nyc cop that gave that homeless man his boots. turns out the guy is homeless by choice and has a history of refusing assistance. there are lots of homeless that fit this profile.

He's not homeless 'by choice'. He's homeless because he's nuts and his family can't put him in a mental institution because of legislation. He has to voluntarily enter one or get sent there by a court after he's committed a crime.​

 

[thekingsmen]

@thekingsmen



you made the claim it was a myth. see above post for my example of homelessness by choice. where's your proof of it being a myth?

So instead focusing on the comment you made which you have no facts for you want me to bring mine forward. There has always been economic disparities in this country. From people I know who volunteer at homeless shelters telling me who they met there. Business hardworking people who lost everything in scam artist companies like DotCom and Enron to drug addicts to home fires to convicted felons. 1. Majority of jobs if not all jobs require the applicant to have a home address. How can you get the job is there is no permanent address? 2. Alot of jobs are looking for spot-less records such as no felonies or records of misdemeanors. How many homeless people can say they don't have any of these? How many can say they aren't drug addicts, alcoholics or convicted felons. 3. Alot of jobs discriminate against mentally and physically handicap people. Where many who can't find jobs or help or treatment find ways out in the streets.

4. The myth of homeless people are homeless cause they want to be was always considered by High Society passed down to the regular population as "Fact". Without knowing every person's reason for being homeless writing them off as "Homeless cause they want to" is just a myth.



my comment was "aggressive panhandling and the city's inability to do something about it hurts the local economy and the nightlife." your original response was "Ignoring the continuous population of homeless shows ignorance of your city and the population". to which my response was "addressing an issue that requires resources (money) when they're laying off police, firemen, teachers, closing schools, and reducing the budget isn't exactly a sign of ignorance. priorities maybe, but not ignorance". now you're moving the goal posts to "When your view is "Oh look at the homeless people ruining my night life at the club" was ignorance".




let's be consistent. the fact is homelessness is a drag on city resources, their economy, and their ability to draw revenue (conventions, tourism, and yes nightlife) to the city. especially here in atl where we have a huge convention presence, but city businesses and restaurants complain that people don't spend money here after dark because they're scared of the aggressive panhandling.

There is no drag on resources if you aren't putting any into the problems facing your city. It's like fixing minor road issues like pot holes without looking at the whole pavement is uneven and cracked. You want good night life...fix the problems in your city. Plan and simple.

 

[bzb]

He's not homeless 'by choice'. He's homeless because he's nuts and his family can't put him in a mental institution because of legislation. He has to voluntarily enter one or get sent there by a court after he's committed a crime.​

it is a choice. doesn't have to be a rational or sane choice, but it is a choice. he can stay in his apartment or he can live on the streets. he chose streets. there are people of varying intellectual capacity that make the same choice every day. you can call them "nuts" or whatever you want, but at the end of the day they made a decision. simple as that.

 

[thekingsmen]

it is a choice. doesn't have to be a rational or sane choice, but it is a choice. he can stay in his apartment or he can live on the streets. he chose streets. there are people of varying intellectual capacity that make the same choice every day. you can call them "nuts" or whatever you want, but at the end of the day they made a decision. simple as that.

No proof so you are

 

[Liquid]

It's a conspiracy!

more apartments available.

 

[bzb]

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u srs? i provided examples of people choosing to be homeless. clearly having a place to live and choosing to live on the streets instead is a choice. again, i'm not tossing every homeless person into the 'chose to be homeless bucket'. you're simply ignoring that the bucket exists at all. and you've provided no examples of it being a myth to the contrary of my examples of it being real. anecdotal commentary doesn't count as evidence.


homelessness and the negative situations that are a result of homelessness is a drag on resources. they still have police and city resource personnel that deal with aggressive panhandlers and/or pickpockets. that costs the city money. the city can't generate tax revenue from new businesses and vendors because they don't want to be there. that's lost money. etc, etc.

i want the city to have a better economy and a better nightlife, which adds to the economy, and homeless issues negatively affect that here.

look, i'm lost on what case you're trying to make with this thread. and you're refuting my facts with empty anecdotes and commentary, but no facts of your own. if this is some kind of passive aggressive trolling you're attempting, then i'm not amused.



if you're just for homeless people, then it wasn't my intent to get in your way. carry on. i was just stating the obvious.

 

[bzb]

No proof so you are

can you read?

Barefoot homeless man immortalized in photo isn't actually homeless - NY Daily News

 

[thekingsmen]

can you read?

Barefoot homeless man immortalized in photo isn't actually homeless - NY Daily News

So your one guy out of Millions of homeless people is your proof? Son stop reaching.

 

[bzb]

So your one guy out of Millions of homeless people is your proof? Son stop reaching.

my examples of it being a choice = 1

your examples of it being a myth = 0



your argument =

 

[thekingsmen]

u srs? i provided examples of people choosing to be homeless. clearly having a place to live and choosing to live on the streets instead is a choice. again, i'm not tossing every homeless person into the 'chose to be homeless bucket'. you're simply ignoring that the bucket exists at all. and you've provided no examples of it being a myth to the contrary of my examples of it being real. anecdotal commentary doesn't count as evidence.


No one is ignoring some people choose that but how many are those who claim that even homeless at all. Being homeless can be a part-time hustle for people. That is miniscule to those who have serious problems who are homeless.

homelessness and the negative situations that are a result of homelessness is a drag on resources. they still have police and city resource personnel that deal with aggressive panhandlers and/or pickpockets. that costs the city money. the city can't generate tax revenue from new businesses and vendors because they don't want to be there. that's lost money. etc, etc.

Pickpockets thieves are homeless? Most people who are rob others aren't homeless at all. Police just push the homeless out of the parks and main streets at night for the night-life to began. That isn't using much resources since most police don't solve or fight crime. How does your revenue effect the poor in positive ways?




i want the city to have a better economy and a better nightlife, which adds to the economy, and homeless issues negatively affect that here.

Want to have a better economy...fix the problems instead of pushing them to the side.



look, i'm lost on what case you're trying to make with this thread. and you're refuting my facts with empty anecdotes and commentary, but no facts of your own. if this is some kind of passive aggressive trolling you're attempting, then i'm not amused.

You claiming Mayor to your city like you want only a positive look into that city when you can't focus on fixing issues facing that city.




if you're just for homeless people, then it wasn't my intent to get in your way. carry on. i was just stating the obvious.

go enjoy your nightlife...make sure to ignore the homeless population as you spend money on your 1000th pair of Jordan sneakers and can't have a heart to give one of them 2 dollars.