NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

[Robbie3000]

I don't believe any of the revelations have shown anything illegal, I think a more likely scenario is that he was spying for china

What in this story gives you the sense he was a spy? If he was spying for China, why would he go to Hong Kong? That's a pretty obvious move.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

fuk this traitor

 

[Type Username Here]

So many damn lawyers and future lawyers on this site and we can't get one single argument in how collecting millions of Americans' data, listening to calls without warrants and PRISM satifies the conditions under the 4th Amendment.

Something that even the NSA knew in 2001:

NSA memo pushed to 'rethink' 4th Amendment - Philip Ewing - POLITICO.com

 

[The Real]

I don't believe any of the revelations have shown anything illegal, I think a more likely scenario is that he was spying for china

If that were the case, we'd need at least a little evidence. What exactly do our security apparatus's domestic efforts have to do with any other country that it would constitute spying for one of them?

 

[theworldismine13]

What in this story gives you the sense he was a spy? If he was spying for China, why would he go to Hong Kong? That's a pretty obvious move.

Not sure I understand your question, why wouldn't he go to china if he's spying for china? that would be the most obvious place to go

why would anybody feel safe going to china? Unless you got peeps there

 

[CACtain Planet]

What in this story gives you the sense he was a spy? If he was spying for China, why would he go to Hong Kong? That's a pretty obvious move.

 

[theworldismine13]

If that were the case, we'd need at least a little evidence. What exactly do our security apparatus's domestic efforts have to do with any other country that it would constitute spying for one of them?

His "revelations" went beyond domestic surveillance, and the hero act could also be a cover for his real actions

 

[newarkhiphop]

yooo...I don't question where people go, but why out there? If you don't mind

That's a HUGE change from Newark lol

edit: Steady growth from the 90's till now in Omaha

Got a cool job offer out here among other things and



$500 rent (pool, private parking, bb court, gym, free cable)

But yeah the biggest change being I can go the whole day and only see like 5 non white ppl

 

[No1]

I hope everyone reading this thread just saw my point that I always make (and I'll leave it at that). I just made the legal argument to support the case against the NSA by using actual legal reasoning (as young in the game as I am). I have nothing more to say and I won't get into personal beefs, but if anyone wants to actually go into the legal underpinnings of any of these issues further, we can do that. I think it would be a helpful exercise.

 

[Liquid]

Got a cool job offer out here among other things and



$500 rent (pool, private parking, bb court, gym, free cable)

But yeah big change biggest being I can go the whole day and only see like 5 non white ppl

I know that feeling

Rent aint that cheap for something like that out here anymore though

Props on moving out of that northeast bubble.

 

[The Real]

His "revelations" went beyond domestic surveillance, and the hero act could also be a cover for his real actions

Ok.

1. How did they specifically go beyond domestic surveillance?

2. That's possible, but again, what evidence would you have for this?

 

[Robbie3000]

Not sure I understand your question, why wouldn't he go to china if he's spying for china? that would be the most obvious place to go

why would anybody feel safe going to china? Unless you got peeps there

Going to Hong Kong would be stupid if he was a spy because it would raise suspicions that he was spying for China. And if he was a spy for China, why is he now leaving for Equador?

You would assume China would take care of him and give him asylum.

 

[RAX 010]

I thought this was common knowledge by now...
Tin Foil Bandanna Gangbeen knew this

Dont just blame this administration is all im saying...dont get braid dead by the divide ...

This

 

[No1]

Ok.

1. How did they specifically go beyond domestic surveillance?

2. That's possible, but again, what evidence would you have for this?

Hold this thought, I'm debating giving this a re-direct to the upped NSA thread. Too soon? BTW, I think people are missing out on the actual legal arguments in there.

 

[Type Username Here]

David Gregory To Glenn Greenwald: 'Why Shouldn't You Be Charged With A Crime?' (VIDEO)

"Meet the Press" host David Gregory asked columnist Glenn Greenwald why he shouldn't be charged with a crime for working with NSA leaker Edward Snowden.

Greenwald was on to discuss his source's Sunday morning flight from Hong Kong to Moscow. (It is unclear where Snowden will ultimately land, though reports have suggested he is headed to Venezuela.) At the tail end of the conversation, Gregory suddenly asked Greenwald why the government shouldn't be going after him.

"To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden, even in his current movements, why shouldn't you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?" he asked.

Greenwald replied that it was "pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themselves a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies," and that there was no evidence to back up Gregory's claim that he had "aided" Snowden.

Gregory replied that "the question of who's a journalist may be up to a debate with regard to what you're doing," but added that he was merely posing a question others have asked, and not "embracing anything."

Greenwald tweeted about the exchange soon after.

Gregory then addressed that tweet, and Greenwald, later in the show. "This is the problem from somebody who claims that he's a journalist who would object to a journalist raising questions, which is not actually embracing any particular point of view," he said. He added that Greenwald's actions were "part of the debate."

Gregory's colleague Chuck Todd wondered aloud how much Greenwald was "involved" with Snowden. "Did he have a role beyond being a receiver for this information?" he said.

You see what they're doing?

Changing the conversation. Instead of talking about what the government was exposed of doing, they are discussing the person who leaked it and the journalist who did his job.