NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

[Type Username Here]

These dudes think that because some government lawyers draft memos in secret it becomes lawful.

"Well, John Yoo wrote a memo saying that waterboarding is not torture by his legal opinion, so who cares about the 8th Amendment? Why does the government have to prove that Yoo is right? Let's just accept it."

 

[thernbroom]

Clowns they only tried to revoke the nikkaz passport a few hours ago

 

[Blackking]

Spoiler

nebraska

aka
The place I least expected.

 

[Slystallion]

Damn my college curriculum keeping me busy don't know whether to root for this guy or see him as a traitor

I'm fairly certain the NSA stuff is used specifically for counterterrorism and not to target the average American watching porn on their pc's all day

But what he leaked has it really helped our enemies? Or is it just more of a heads up that yeah America has been spying on citizens

I already assume anything i say through email or text or phone can be monitored but since I'm not involved in organized crime in any sense i can't see why some secret agent would give a flying fukk about me....public figures should be more concerned as well as political figures

Or lets say you are banging a girl who's ex has access to that sort of spy stuff and is CIA and can ruin your life....anyone having that power can legitimately abuse it for their own personal gain or agenda

 

[Blackking]

Are those supposed to be contrasting statements? Cuz they aren't

You're against this dude when all he's doing is exposing truth.. if it wasn't truth...... they wouldn't be after him.

 

[Type Username Here]

Katz v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Government's activities in electronically listening to and recording the petitioner's words violated the privacy upon which he justifiably relied while using the telephone booth and thus constituted a 'search and seizure' within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment." – Justice Stewart

Regardless of the location, a conversation is protected from unreasonable search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment if it is made with a “reasonable expectation of privacy”.
Wiretapping counts as a search (physical intrusion is not necessary).

 

[The Real]

How do freedom fighters end up in Hong Kong and Russia?

They end up in those places when their own government is anti-freedom.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

 

[Atlrocafella]

hopefully he catches a bullet to the head soon.

 

[theworldismine13]

You're against this dude when all he's doing is exposing truth.. if it wasn't truth...... they wouldn't be after him.

I'm against this dude because I think he's a spy

 

[theworldismine13]

They end up in those places when their own government is anti-freedom.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I don't believe any of the revelations have shown anything illegal, I think a more likely scenario is that he was spying for china

 

[Type Username Here]

Who needs 1984 when you have clowns who like having their rights violated?

Brave New World indeed.

As long as the distractions keep flowing, the government can do as they wish.

 

[No1]

Katz v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you just "google" that.....

Maybe this law student arrogance, but when someone who is not trained in legal reasoning thinks that they an just google legal answers....I get annoyed.

Tell me, what is the basis and context of that decision and how does it fit into and apply to this sequence of events....I'll wait. I know the answer, BTW.

Actually, I won't wait. In that case the government officials tapped the phone booth without prior judicial approval. Yet, the basis for their actions was such that if they had gotten prior judicial approval their actions would have been allowed. That case turned on the fact that they were regulating themselves. Thus, the fact that FISA courts have sanctioned these activities would seemingly provide the constitutional cover (now I also have not read the cases that come after Katz). The primary issue is that, as you stated, NSA officials have stated that they do not require prior court approval and of course there is a big difference between a purported dragnet and tapping aimed specifically at suspects. The NSA argues that it doesn't listen into anything unless it believes that someone is a suspect or something of that sort, I don't necessarily buy that. But that's their argument. So a case would likely turn on the broadness and the disconnect in judicial oversight and time limits.

 

[theworldismine13]

These dudes think that because some government lawyers draft memos in secret it becomes lawful.

"Well, John Yoo wrote a memo saying that waterboarding is not torture by his legal opinion, so who cares about the 8th Amendment? Why does the government have to prove that Yoo is right? Let's just accept it."

John woo wrote a memo

The NSA was overseen and signed off by congress, the courts and the executive

Huge difference

 

[Type Username Here]

This is what the position of a government lawyer entails:

Find the most compelling lie and twisting of words to break the law.

When the torture was happening under Yoo's memos prior to Obama being elected, SOHH was full of threads about how unconstitutional and illegal it was.


We need LESS lawyers in government. Too damn many of them. The profession has become a detriment to human progress. These cats can't wait to graduate to write memos circumventing the law all for political gain.

 

[Type Username Here]

John woo wrote a memo

The NSA was overseen and signed off by congress, the courts and the executive

Huge difference

Negative:

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant | World news | guardian.co.uk