NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

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bill cooper told us about these things in behold a pale horse. same with aaron russo and his documentary. What we're seeing now is pretty much the physical manifestation of the all-seeing eye, which is conveniently located on the back of your one dollar bill. It would eventually culminate in a society where everyone is monitored all the time. People pointing all of this out were 'conspiracy theorists' and 'religious nutjobs,' but now we're seeing all of it unfold before our eyes.

Here's another treat that will be unleashed when people get 'fed' up enough.



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F7bvhllDeI"]Vancouver Police to use LRAD sonic weapon at the Olympics - YouTube[/ame]
 
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In what way does the 4th Amendment protect Americans now? Serious question, is there any validity left in the 4th Amendment? Stop and frisk to this shyt, this is crazy.

It's funny how people act so absolutist about the 2nd amendment but seem to give zero fukks about the 4th amendment.
 

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It is interesting all this "news" is dropping now. Though this is nothing new. Do people still believe the government is still in the people's interest?
 

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bill cooper told us about these things in behold a pale horse. same with aaron russo and his documentary. What we're seeing now is pretty much the physical manifestation of the all-seeing eye, which is conveniently located on the back of your one dollar bill. It would eventually culminate in a society where everyone is monitored all the time. People pointing all of this out were 'conspiracy theorists' and 'religious nutjobs,' but now we're seeing all of it unfold before our eyes.

Here's another treat that will be unleashed when people get 'fed' up enough.

Active Denial System Riot Demo - YouTube

Vancouver Police to use LRAD sonic weapon at the Olympics - YouTube

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why am i not surprised that it was a millenial instead of a baby boomer. those boomers have no balls, the fukkers. this country turned to sh!t on their watch.

worst. generation. ever.

and how is a man with only a few community college computer courses making six figures??? tha fukk?? how is this type of dude accessing such critical information??? dude did not deserve the job in the first place.
 

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How are you being lumped in "needlessly" with criminals? The Government cannot initiate a targeted or individual investigation without going through a number of protocols. The government is using metadata and other information to connect dots and make inferences. Only after a positive hit has been made, can the government seek to investigate YOU, at which point, probable cause standards must be met and a warrant is sought.

Again, this contradicts what Senator Joe Biden said in 2006:

Sen. Biden On NSA Database - CBS News Video

Should I believe you or him? He seems to have had more information and his party was not in power, even though he was briefed on intelligence matters and was a chairman of the House Judiciary committee.

Can you refute anything Biden said?
 

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bill cooper told us about these things in behold a pale horse. same with aaron russo and his documentary. What we're seeing now is pretty much the physical manifestation of the all-seeing eye, which is conveniently located on the back of your one dollar bill. It would eventually culminate in a society where everyone is monitored all the time. People pointing all of this out were 'conspiracy theorists' and 'religious nutjobs,' but now we're seeing all of it unfold before our eyes.

Here's another treat that will be unleashed when people get 'fed' up enough.

Active Denial System Riot Demo - YouTube

Vancouver Police to use LRAD sonic weapon at the Olympics - YouTube
:snoop:
 

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That new kinect sounds like a mini version of this
 
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WASHINGTON — THE acid that corroded George W. Bush’s presidency was fear — spreading it and succumbing to it

You could see the fear in his eyes, the fear that froze him in place, after Andy Card whispered to W. in that Florida classroom that a second plane had crashed into the twin towers.

The blood-dimmed tragedy of 9/11 was chilling. But instead of rising above the fear, W. let it overwhelm his better instincts. He and dikk Cheney crumpled the Constitution, manipulated intelligence to go to war against a country that hadn’t attacked us, and implemented warrantless eavesdropping — all in the name of keeping us safe from terrorists.

Americans want to be protected, but not at the cost of vitiating the values that make us Americans. That is why Barack Obama was so stirring in 2007 with his spirited denunciations of W.’s toxic trade-offs. The up-and-coming senator and former constitutional law professor railed against the Bush administration’s “false choice, between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide.”

Now that we are envisioning some guy in a National Security Agency warehouse in Fort Meade, Md., going through billions of cat videos and drunk-dialing records of teenagers, can the Ministries of Love and Truth be far behind?

“There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment,” George Orwell wrote in “1984.” “How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.”

It was quaint to think we had any privacy left, once Google, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram braided themselves into our days and nights.

As Gene Hackman, playing a disillusioned N.S.A. analyst in the 1998 movie “Enemy of the State” put it, the agency has been in bed with the telecommunications industry for decades, and “they can suck a salt grain off a beach.”

Still, it was a bit of a shock to find out that No Such Agency, as the N.S.A. is nicknamed, has been collecting information for seven years on every phone call, domestic and international, that Americans make. The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald, who first reported the collection of data from Verizon, called the N.S.A. “the crown jewel in government secrecy.”

The Washington Post and then Greenwald swiftly revealed another secret program started under Bush, code-named Prism, that lets the N.S.A. and the F.B.I. tap Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple, lifting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails and documents in an effort to track foreign targets.

The Post reported that the career intelligence officer who leaked the information was appalled and considered the program a gross intrusion on privacy. “They quite literally can watch your ideas form as you type,” the officer said.

President Obama defended his classified programs even as Greenwald spilled one more bequeathed from W.: identifying targets overseas for potential cyberattacks. So much technological overreach, yet counterterrorism officials still couldn’t do basic police work and catch the Boston bombers before the marathon by following up on warnings from the Russians.

Don’t count on Congress to fix the assault on privacy. In a rare bit of bipartisanship, driven by a craven fear of being seen as soft on terrorists, both parties have lined up behind the indiscriminate surveillance sweeps, except for a few outliers on either end of the spectrum.

Obama was in California on Friday to meet the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, who could have offered some technical assistance on Internet prying. (NBC’s Mike Isikoff reported that the Chinese hacked into the Obama and McCain campaign computers in 2008.) Certainly, it was tricky for our Big Brother to chide Xi about China’s cyberhacking in America.

The president insists that his trellis of surveillance programs is “under very strict supervision by all three branches of government.” That is not particularly comforting given that the federal government so rarely does anything properly.

Obama says agents are not actually listening to calls, but as the former Sun Microsystems engineer Susan Landau told The New Yorker, the government can learn an immense amount by tracking “who you call, and who they call.”

When James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, was asked during a Congressional hearing in March whether the N.S.A. was collecting any information on “millions or hundreds of millions of Americans,” Clapper replied “No, sir,” adding, “not wittingly.” That denial undermines our faith in the forthrightness of those scooping up every little bit of our lives to feed into government computers.

The president calls the vast eavesdropping apparatus “modest encroachments on privacy.”

Back in 2007, Obama said he would not want to run an administration that was “Bush-Cheney lite.” He doesn’t have to worry. With prisoners denied due process at Gitmo starving themselves, with the C.I.A. not always aware who it’s killing with drones, with an overzealous approach to leaks, and with the government’s secret domestic spy business swelling, there’s nothing lite about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/opinion/sunday/dowd-peeping-president-obama.html?hp&_r=0

Dude got upset that China hacked into his campaign to snoop around but calls data mining a modest encroachment. :dead:
 

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damn, alex jones went IN :whoo:

[ame=http://youtu.be/YB7ZaK7Oa88]Alex Jones Disrupts BBC's Sunday Politics Show 2013 - YouTube[/ame]
 

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It is interesting all this "news" is dropping now. Though this is nothing new. Do people still believe the government is still in the people's interest?

It is interesting isn't it?

Selective leaking of things to damage the administration...:whistle:

*Doesnt excuse Obama admin continuing and escalating these policies*
 

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Again, this contradicts what Senator Joe Biden said in 2006:

Sen. Biden On NSA Database - CBS News Video

Should I believe you or him? He seems to have had more information and his party was not in power, even though he was briefed on intelligence matters and was a chairman of the House Judiciary committee.

Can you refute anything Biden said?
That is a philosophical question. Joe Biden is a politician, believe who you want to believe.

Please cite the two statutes he is referring to.
 

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Something smells funny.
He is hiding in communist China and is concerned about privacy?
 

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That is a philosophical question. Joe Biden is a politician, believe who you want to believe.

Please cite the two statutes he is referring to.

He could be talking about a lot of statutes in both FISA and the PATRIOT Act. He's very vague in it, but I would guess one of them is this:

Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—
(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at—
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801 (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and
(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801 (h) of this title; and

50 USC § 1802 - Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal; duties and compensation of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdic
 
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