NSA Wiretapping and Snowden on the run

[kevm3]

The public doesn't deserve to be monitored like this period. There is no discussion needed.

 

[Type Username Here]

The public deserves a discussion on what things? I strongly disagree with this notion. There should be civilian oversight on the FISA process, but what other aspects of data collection and interception should the public get to decide on?

This is not how law enforcement and proactive investigations work dear friend. Nor should it be.

Can you answer me on this: in what way do I have to challenge or sue the American Government data mining my information? How can I take issue with being lumped in needlessly with criminals?

Since the details of the operation are classified, and the identities of targets are classified, in what way do I have legal recourse to challenge under my 4th Amendment Rights?

 

[Aizen]

Old boss meet the new boss; right wing meet the left wing. When two choices are more or less the same thing, the silver lining is people are forced to come to grips with the reality of false choice. Both wings of your parties are false choices. Being absolutely hypnotized at this point is no longer a matter of innocent ignorance but willful ignorance. Your rights do not exist or are a mere formality to people with the mindset, that with a few strokes of a pen, your sovereignty gets trumped. You are free simply because you are free, not because the government says you are free. But in this society, your rights are easily trampled upon because you are seen as not being sovereign but needing the Constitution to justify you having any rights. Scary.

 

[Type Username Here]

Old boss meet the new boss; right wing meet the left wing. When two choices are more or less the same thing, the silver lining is people are forced to come to grips with the reality of false choice. Both wings of your parties are false choices. Being absolutely hypnotized at this point is no longer a matter of innocent ignorance but willful ignorance. Your rights do not exist or are a mere formality to people with the mindset, that with a few strokes of a pen, your sovereignty gets trumped. You are free simply because you are free, not because the government says you are free. But in this society, your rights are easily trampled upon because you are seen as not being sovereign but needing the Constitution to justify you having any rights. Scary.

Yup, Chomsky has been saying this for decades.

Even George Carlin made this a staple of his act for last decade or so of his life:




Don't agree with either of them fully, but they echo your point.

 

[Type Username Here]

The man is a hero.

Shame that we live in a country that will vilify him. If the exact same thing happened in Russia or Venezuela we would shower him with praise.

 

[ogc163]

Some of the shyt on twitter about Snowden have me like

 

[Type Username Here]

Some of the shyt on twitter about Snowden have me like

What do you mean? What are they saying?

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

 

[ogc163]

What do you mean? What are they saying?

You have the typical bullshyt about how he is a traitor and insinuating that he is working for China. But then you have the lame ass motherfukkers coming with shyt like this...

[ame]https://twitter.com/Defining_GOP/status/343842790335188993[/ame]

[ame]https://twitter.com/LiberalPhenom/status/343542832734289920[/ame]

[ame]https://twitter.com/LiberalPhenom/status/343823656809549824[/ame]

 

[throughthefire]

the irony where he's currently living in china and it's probably a 100X worst then the states but to him though

 

[Dooby]

He could have blown all the whistles in the world but why blow your cover Now he's fukked

 

[Nigerianwonder]

He could have blown all the whistles in the world but why blow your cover Now he's fukked

Because he knows first hand of the NSA's capabilities and that they would eventually find him anyway.

 

[Kings County]

'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things' -

aint this nikka living in china now

 

[ogc163]

And now this...

[ame]https://twitter.com/steveweinstein/status/343860155705880576[/ame]

 

[Kid McNamara]

Can you answer me on this: in what way do I have to challenge or sue the American Government data mining my information? How can I take issue with being lumped in needlessly with criminals?

Since the details of the operation are classified, and the identities of targets are classified, in what way do I have legal recourse to challenge under my 4th Amendment Rights?

How are you being lumped in "needlessly" with criminals? The Government cannot initiate a targeted or individual investigation without going through a number of protocols. The government is using metadata and other information to connect dots and make inferences. Only after a positive hit has been made, can the government seek to investigate YOU, at which point, probable cause standards must be met and a warrant is sought.