Now this is literally the blackest dude I've seen in my life?

[Northern Son]

Berbers come from east africa, not eurasia, they are light because of their environment, they live off of the Mediterranean, this includes their diet being from that sea. They are known as fierce fighters that were never really conquered in a sense. They're very savvy, gave everyone in their region problems from ancient egypt, to alexander to romans to arabs, and whenever they did lose, they protected their population by their leaders marrying off their daughters. So what you see online are the 1%, but the majority of the population are pure native to africa by way of east africa, just like west africans.

This is only partially right. Their genetic history has been documented. They're Eurasian.

 

[ChatGPT-5]

This is only partially right. Their genetic history has been documented. They're Eurasian.

prove it.

 

[Poitier]

This is only partially right. Their genetic history has been documented. They're Eurasian.

Haplogroup E is the most prevalent haplogroup amongst the Berbers accounting for up to 87 percent of Y-chromosomes among some Berber populations. Haplogroup E is thought to have emerged in East-Africa [2] and would have later dispersed into North Africa and Eurasia.

 

[Northern Son]

prove it.

Prove what? I already posted about their genetics on page 13. Sourced and everything.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Ya in african studies they talk about how the berber gave the arabs the blues. I hate how the arabs show their empire on graphs like they just swarmed africa, but all african muslims know the real story, the arabs didn't go dominate north africa and then trickle down into west africa and south europe. They spent 100 years trying to dominate berbers and berbers gave them the bizness. eventually the arabs were on some "take my daughter pls we are brothers" type shyt, and then the berbers realized that islam was a civilized culture that would benefit them. after that upper class business started, trades etc. once the berbers got 'enlightened' they started conquering their neighbors and spreading islam, south europe and west africa.

cacs dont like that very much, so they try to tie berbers to them, when berbers are very much africans, they are just lightskin because of their diet. just like bushmen are lightskin with asian looking eyes, they evolved that way because they live in an orange desert. windy desert = asian like eyes. its all evolution on why they look the way they do, not conquest. western blacks no longer look like east african blacks because of the same thing, the jungle and extreme heat changed their features to what it is today, in fact, the west/central bantu look is the last feature, yet we try to use that as a marker for all of what is africa, its stupid. berbers are native, they dont have to look like us to prove it.

 

[Northern Son]

Haplogroup E is the most prevalent haplogroup amongst the Berbers accounting for up to 87 percent of Y-chromosomes among some Berber populations. Haplogroup E is thought to have emerged in East-Africa [2] and would have later dispersed into North Africa and Eurasia.

That's only on the Y Chromosome. That doesn't account for their overall heritage. I already said it's fact that they have Native African heritage.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Prove what? I already posted about their genetics on page 13. Sourced and everything.

that link isnt credible at all.

• Total Eurasian lineages (H, HV, R0, J, T, U (without U6), K, N1, N2, X) : 50-80 percent
• Total sub-Saharan lineages (L0, L1, L2, L3, L4, L5) : 20-40 percent
• Total North African lineages (U6, M1) : 10-30 percent

are they trying to state we have L haplo in sub-sahara?

they must have it backwards, L sequence got their genes from US, not the other way around, they have the whole migration backwards, there is no way eurasians came down as far as the sub-sahara. no way.

 

[Poitier]

Ya in african studies they talk about how the berber gave the arabs the blues. I hate how the arabs show their empire on graphs like they just swarmed africa, but all african muslims know the real story, the arabs didn't go dominate north africa and then trickle down into west africa and south europe. They spent 100 years trying to dominate berbers and berbers gave them the bizness. eventually the arabs were on some "take my daughter pls we are brothers" type shyt, and then the berbers realized that islam was a civilized culture that would benefit them. after that upper class business started, trades etc. once the berbers got 'enlightened' they started conquering their neighbors and spreading islam, south europe and west africa.

cacs dont like that very much, so they try to tie berbers to them, when berbers are very much africans, they are just lightskin because of their diet. just like bushmen are lightskin with asian looking eyes, they evolved that way because they live in an orange desert. windy desert = asian like eyes. its all evolution on why they look the way they do, not conquest. western blacks no longer look like east african blacks because of the same thing, the jungle and extreme heat changed their features to what it is today, in fact, the west/central bantu look is the last feature, yet we try to use that as a marker for all of what is africa, its stupid. berbers are native, they dont have to look like us to prove it.

I agree with this 100 percent but I don't think being indigenously African is the same as being Black. Too much historical and cultural narratives to just apply it loosely.

That's only on the Y Chromosome. That doesn't account for their overall heritage. I already said it's fact that they have Native African heritage.

Come on, you think Eurasians came down or Berbers spread out? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I agree with this 100 percent but I don't think being indigenously African is the same as being Black. Too much historical and cultural narratives to just apply it loosely.

I think so. being european means being white. even if you are a dark italian or persian. we cant keep giving other races are people, isolate west and central africans. the entire continent needs to ban together under one racial banner. Gaddafi was very firm with this. He was one berber that knew his history and had a lot of pride and talked about this. he knew what they were doing and he made sure berbers always claimed black. (the rich ones that fled to the west, keep going to the media stating otherwise tho)

 

[Poitier]

I think so. being european means being white. even if you are a dark italian or persian. we cant keep giving other races are people, isolate west and central africans. the entire continent needs to ban together under one racial banner. Gaddafi was very firm with this. He was one berber that knew his history and had a lot of pride and talked about this. he knew what they were doing and he made sure berbers always claimed black. (the rich ones that fled to the west, keep going to the media stating otherwise tho)

Fair enough but it still doesn't explain Andaman Islanders and dark indians etc

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Fair enough but it still doesn't explain Andaman Islanders and dark indians etc

technically speaking, we should be able to claim them too, as well as abos, but since we don't have the power of media and propaganda, we can't. All we can do is just wait until africa modernizes and some scientist finally decids that that is how it should be.

I can assure you, that if they were white, whites would claim them with the QUICKNESS. look how they try to claim north indians (indo-european), because of the aryan culture. once india modernized they hit them with the

 

[Northern Son]

that link isnt credible at all.

are they trying to state we have L haplo in sub-sahara?

they must have it backwards, L sequence got their genes from US, not the other way around, they have the whole migration backwards, there is no way eurasians came down as far as the sub-sahara. no way.

I really don't see what you're not understanding. Click the links ((L0, L1, L2, L3, L4, L5)).

 

[Northern Son]

technically speaking, we should be able to claim them too, as well as abos, but since we don't have the power of media and propaganda, we can't. All we can do is just wait until africa modernizes and some scientist finally decids that that is how it should be.

I can assure you, that if they were white, whites would claim them with the QUICKNESS. look how they try to claim north indians (indo-european), because of the aryan culture. once india modernized they hit them with the

We're genetically the furthest away from Aborigines.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I really don't see what you're not understanding. Click the links ((L0, L1, L2, L3, L4, L5)).

that was my point. it stems from L-Haplogroup expanding OUTWARD, not INWARD, so if those haplogroups are found in eurasia, its because of the walk outside of africa. If you see berber haplos in eurasia its because they walked outside too, not inward. the only inwards in africa had were J. arabs/persians/syrians/jews/palestine. and that's very minimal, its mostly with just the royals.

 

[Northern Son]

that was my point. it stems from L-Haplogroup expanding OUTWARD, not INWARD, so if those haplogroups are found in eurasia, its because of the walk outside of africa. If you see berber haplos in eurasia its because they walked outside too, not inward. the only inwards in africa had were J. arabs/persians/syrians.

It says those haplogroups account for their Sub-Saharan ancestry. Berbers are a mixture of East African and Near East/European.