Now they want Enzo to completely take over

[JerseyBoy23]

Thats silly. As if in 1998 there werent any other good TV shows?

WWE doesnt need to be on the Sopranos level to compete. It just needs non stop fukkery so the ADD humans of 2017 wont change the channel. These 20 minute fake fights are the worst part of Raw and Smackdown. Nobody cares about wrestling matches, save that shyt for the blowoff of the feud. I guess you like the Hardys vs Shaemsaro every week?

Go watch the attitude era. I just saw an ep with my boy and through and through it was great. When the Rock fought Undertaker on Raw in 1997, it started with the Rock cutting a promo on Austin for throwing his belt in the river (a reason to care!), a quick little match... Kane interferes. It furthers Rocks feud with Austin and Takers feud with Kane. Nowadays they dont further shyt, let alone 2 angles with one match. Now with a match all you get is the match. Same episode in multiple segments the Outlawz were looking for Mankind in the boiler room and other areas backstage. Mick was Dude love the week before and cut a promo on why he is mankind now. They eventually find him and lock him in the walk in freezer.

Same episode Austin has a segment with Santa, and you already know what happens. Same episode was DX feuding with Slaughter leading to Shawn vs Hunter in a title match, they teased DX splitting. Owen attacked Hunter. Furthered that feud. Shawn cut a promo on Taker, furthered that feud... Shawn and Hunter Swerve Slaughter. Look At all the shyt that happened in ONE EPISODE. No need to talk about somersault leg drop from fat losers.

Same episode Marc Mero brings out Sable ina reindeer outfit, nobody pays attention to the match because Sable removed the deer head. The fans of today would of been pissed that Marc Meros work rate was being disrespected
The fans of today woulda been pissed that Sable took off the reindeer outfit to show off that shes hot. They would demand her to do a ladder match with Sasha Banks and give it 4 stars

The fact that modern fans prefer this long ass match shyt and buy into the hype of quality matches is

Id rather see Sami Zayn hit KO with a taxi cab than wrestle a 20 minute Meltzer classic. Stop being marks for critiquing wrestler 'work rates' brehs. And now these work rate nerds are in the WWE and selling Vince on this nonsense... Look at your ratings brehs

Bruh I watched the Attitude Era every week, in fact that episode you referenced was just a Christmas fukkery episode, earlier in that year they showed a whole card from Germany where Davey Boy and Owen went almost 25 minutes.

Nowadays they only have half of the guys they trust on the mic on either brand and one of the shows is a 3-hour show to filled with hella promos and video packages. You must not watch Smackdown because the last episode's card looked like this and people still weren't happy with the episode..

OFFICIAL RESULTS
– Baron Corbin defeated Tye Dillinger @ 5:58 via countout
– The Usos defeated The Hype Bros @ 2:20 via pin
– Charlotte defeated Carmella @ 6:59 via pin
– Kevin Owens defeated Sami Zayn @ 9:07 via referee stoppage

On my original point are, you really think WWE has the same amount competition they had in 1997? Sure they don't have to deal with WCW but in exchange on a Monday night, I can tune into Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, HBO Go, and cable itself.

Edit: I agree that they should do more talking on TV but they're strapped trying to fill 180 minutes, the Hulu RAW edit's are usually what I imagine RAW would look like if they were still 2 hours.

 

[llt23]

Yeah. That argument is silly. In 1997 they had to compete with Michael Jordan. Now when sports are on they throw in the towel. And this whole idea that people have more options doesnt mean you should phone it in and make a bad TV show. People have so many options to watch this or that now....and yet Game Of Thrones still destroyed all ratings numbers for their finale. If you make a good show, people will watch it right then and there. WWF was not 'oh nothings on...ill just watch this' in the attitude era, it was MUST SEE TV.

And no dude, that wasnt a Christmas fukkery episode. Every week was fukkery, and it was gold

Plus I pointed out how it advanced so many different angles. Thats not a throwaway Santa episode breh.

You actually had things to talk about with your friends, because things actually happened

Now its just neckbeards talking about what a beautiful Slangblade Finn balor does

Normal people watch other shyt.

WWE now is just for weirdos reliving their second childhood. In all honesty I blame dudes like Meltzer. He fukking hates Enzo, despite him being entertaining cause all he cares about is giving star ratings to matches. Stop listening to that nerd brehs. Notice that the internet fans, the hardcore WWE fans always fall in line with Meltzer. Well look back in the archives, he was BURYING the attitude era and begging for more wrestling. Thats the man your opinion lines up with?

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Which begs the question why they broke up in the first place? They could have still been a tag team and have singles runs at the same time

To make Cass. I don't think ever intended on having Enzo carry the cruiserweight title. Enzo is extremely lucky Cass got injured.

They are probably going to just pair up Cass and Enzo again and kind of gloss over the breakup like they did with Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel. I expect maybe a weak excuse like Enzo stopped trying to please the fans and the boys in the back and took control and that's all Cass wanted in the first place. They'll definitely test out another Cass singles run even if he is aligned with Enzo.

 

[dh86]

Yeah. That argument is silly. In 1997 they had to compete with Michael Jordan. Now when sports are on they throw in the towel. And this whole idea that people have more options doesnt mean you should phone it in and make a bad TV show. People have so many options to watch this or that now....and yet Game Of Thrones still destroyed all ratings numbers for their finale. If you make a good show, people will watch it right then and there. WWF was not 'oh nothings on...ill just watch this' in the attitude era, it was MUST SEE TV.

And no dude, that wasnt a Christmas fukkery episode. Every week was fukkery, and it was gold

Plus I pointed out how it advanced so many different angles. Thats not a throwaway Santa episode breh.

You actually had things to talk about with your friends, because things actually happened

Now its just neckbeards talking about what a beautiful Slangblade Finn balor does

Normal people watch other shyt.

WWE now is just for weirdos reliving their second childhood. In all honesty I blame dudes like Meltzer. He fukking hates Enzo, despite him being entertaining cause all he cares about is giving star ratings to matches. Stop listening to that nerd brehs. Notice that the internet fans, the hardcore WWE fans always fall in line with Meltzer. Well look back in the archives, he was BURYING the attitude era and begging for more wrestling. Thats the man your opinion lines up with?

You’re pining for wrestling of TWENTY years ago. You sound like Cornette. The world has changed. When I was 12 in 1998, I HAD to sneak and watch Raw live otherwise I wouldn’t be able to see what happened until Superstars heavily edited version Saturday am. If I was 12 today, I’d just go on YouTube in the morning and watch all the good shyt, and never turn the tv on. “fukkery”. Do you watch Jerry Springer or Steve Wilkos today?

 

[ML29]

Is he even that over? Crowd seemed mad quiet during that Raw segment

People recited his catchphrases and thats it. The catchphrases and the cruiserweights/Braun doing their moves on him were the only things the elicited response from the crowd. His jokes and whatever nonsense he was rambling drew silence and confusion.

 

[Francis White]

Is he even that over? Crowd seemed mad quiet during that Raw segment

Don't be that guy, he is super over. He closed Raw with the damn cruiser weights . None of the main CWC guys have any shot of ever ever doing that.

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

Enzo was stumbling over his words and got sonned by the Miz a mere two weeks ago. He's a chump in the ring and on the mic.

 

[llt23]

You’re pining for wrestling of TWENTY years ago. You sound like Cornette. The world has changed. When I was 12 in 1998, I HAD to sneak and watch Raw live otherwise I wouldn’t be able to see what happened until Superstars heavily edited version Saturday am. If I was 12 today, I’d just go on YouTube in the morning and watch all the good shyt, and never turn the tv on. “fukkery”. Do you watch Jerry Springer or Steve Wilkos today?

Cornette hated the attitude era too if you didnt know. He likes old school redneck wrasslin bullshyt. Im upset at wrestling for a diff reason. He just hates flippy shyt and no selling.

And you can cherry pick shows from that era that sucked then as I could do the same for 2017. Whats funny is that the Outlawz were wearing southpark shirts prior to joining DX and that show is still hot in 2017. Why didnt you mention that

And that argument is just moving the goalposts. Nobody can talk about the progression of multiple angles, everyone doing something entertaining, and wrasslin just being the back drop for the fukkery.

And if you wanna play that card I can say WWF Raw 2017 is more like Raw in 1993-5. Just matches, squash matches, horrid gimmicks... then they go off the air. Low ratings, and WCW come up was killing them. Only difference is it was 1 hour instead of 3.

 

[MushroomX]

Enzo is reaching/or at Dolph Ziggler status of annoyance. Less talented and his look is shyt.

 

[prophecypro]

People like dudes with catchphrases and caricatures who are funny and entertaining on the mic

Welcome to Wrestling the past 40 years brehs

 

[JerseyBoy23]

Cornette hated the attitude era too if you didnt know. He likes old school redneck wrasslin bullshyt. Im upset at wrestling for a diff reason. He just hates flippy shyt and no selling.

And you can cherry pick shows from that era that sucked then as I could do the same for 2017. Whats funny is that the Outlawz were wearing southpark shirts prior to joining DX and that show is still hot in 2017. Why didnt you mention that

And that argument is just moving the goalposts. Nobody can talk about the progression of multiple angles, everyone doing something entertaining, and wrasslin just being the back drop for the fukkery.

And if you wanna play that card I can say WWF Raw 2017 is more like Raw in 1993-5. Just matches, squash matches, horrid gimmicks... then they go off the air. Low ratings, and WCW come up was killing them. Only difference is it was 1 hour instead of 3.

I'm not understanding this thing about RAW being made up of just matches. These are the results from last Monday's RAW.

– Matt Hardy & Jason Jordan defeated Bo Dallas & Curtis Axel @ 10:50 via pin
– Elias defeated Apollo Crews @ 2:43 via pin
– Braun Strowman defeated Dean Ambrose @ 6:15 via pin
– Seth Rollins defeated Sheamus @ 4:30 via pin
– Non-Title Match: Roman Reigns defeated IC Champion The Miz @ 8:50 via pin
– Finn Balor defeated Goldust @ 7:11 via pin
– Sasha Banks & Bayley defeated Nia Jax & Emma @ 8:38 via pin

Out of three hours, they had 50 minutes of wrestling during the show. If you factor in commercials, promos, video packages and commercials in the middle of matches they barely show any matches.

On Smackdown this week, we only had four matches and only one went over 7 minutes, while we had a long ass KO/Sami promo along with a long ass Rusev/English/Orton segment.

What I'm thinking is that you'd enjoy the Hulu version of RAW better. They cut out Crews/Elias, Balor/Goldust, and the Women's tag match but kept the Alexa/Mickie segment and Enzo/205 segment instead.

 

[llt23]

Well let me ask you this. What angles did they move forward? Honestly. I feel like I miss nothing from not watching Raw or Smackdown. I havent watched in maybe 5-7 months, and catch the occasional PPV and it feels like I miss nothing. Not worth watching period. And them doing 50 minutes of wrestling is still a lot breh. Considering if you remove the commercial breaks the show clocks in at like what 1 hour 35 minutes?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

They are probably going to just pair up Cass and Enzo again and kind of gloss over the breakup like they did with Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel. I expect maybe a weak excuse like Enzo stopped trying to please the fans and the boys in the back and took control and that's all Cass wanted in the first place. They'll definitely test out another Cass singles run even if he is aligned with Enzo.

Or like in '99 when Road Dogg and Billy Gunn reunited like nothing happened.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

You’re pining for wrestling of TWENTY years ago. You sound like Cornette. The world has changed. When I was 12 in 1998, I HAD to sneak and watch Raw live otherwise I wouldn’t be able to see what happened until Superstars heavily edited version Saturday am. If I was 12 today, I’d just go on YouTube in the morning and watch all the good shyt, and never turn the tv on. “fukkery”. Do you watch Jerry Springer or Steve Wilkos today?

That dude's posts are making me cringe. Trying so hard to be like Vince Russo, all cutting edge and calling us nerds.

Be a wrestling fan discussing it on message boards and disregard it as "fake fighting" brehs.

Now, I definitely think WWE has swung too far on the pendulum and nonstop 20 minute matches on Raw between the same guys over and over again, with no angle advancement is trash. 2000 should be the template. Quick 10 minute matches with no breaks, plenty of promos, lots of interconnected storylines. WWE's pacing of the shows has been its biggest detriment the last 5 years or so. Way too many fukking commercials. Like we get breaks after the fukking entrances now

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Cornette hated the attitude era too if you didnt know. He likes old school redneck wrasslin bullshyt. Im upset at wrestling for a diff reason. He just hates flippy shyt and no selling.

And you can cherry pick shows from that era that sucked then as I could do the same for 2017. Whats funny is that the Outlawz were wearing southpark shirts prior to joining DX and that show is still hot in 2017. Why didnt you mention that

And that argument is just moving the goalposts. Nobody can talk about the progression of multiple angles, everyone doing something entertaining, and wrasslin just being the back drop for the fukkery.

And if you wanna play that card I can say WWF Raw 2017 is more like Raw in 1993-5. Just matches, squash matches, horrid gimmicks... then they go off the air. Low ratings, and WCW come up was killing them. Only difference is it was 1 hour instead of 3.

South Park has never come close to how big it was in '97/98. A big reason the Attitude era succeeded was because it perfectly captured the late 90s zeitgeist with the trashiness. Vulgar stuff like South Park, daytime TV, nu-metal, Jackass, grossout comedies...shyt fit perfectly in line with all that. It's not like the storylines outside of the main event were some brilliant stuff, just fukkery that fit with the times.