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North Korea Thread: DPRK Launching Missiles With New ICBM
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to the Koreans.For the US, this is definitely a sign of decreasing influence in East Asia. Any move towards any kind of unification (2 systems, 1 country is most likely) will require the US to abandon the peninsula militarily leaving basically Japan as its only foothold in the area. Japan is going to have to expand its own military presence to counter and it's unlikely they are going to rely on a declining US for security. Prospects for projecting power in the region are grim, especially after pulling out of TPP.
Not to rain on the parade here but just offering maybe a bit if perspective .
This isn't he first time that North and South agreed to a peace and change in relations.
Sunshine Policy - Wikipedia
In fact this is a very similar situation. My guess is that China, the North, and the South realize that hostilities are increasing and along with pressure from Trump agreed to do something to deescalate the situation.
Not sure if this is as historic and long term as painted. What would be historic to me would be North Korea agreeing to open their society more but I don't think that will happen in conjuction with stopping nuclear tests because to be honest, the threat of nuclear attack is what allowed the Kim's to stay in power and staved off outside intervention. They will not allow the possibility of outside infleunce on their country to fester and lead to their eventually ouster. I wish they did but not even China will like that.
The status quo in North Korea will be maintained just like the North and China wants.
This isn't he first time that North and South agreed to a peace and change in relations.
Sunshine Policy - Wikipedia
In fact this is a very similar situation. My guess is that China, the North, and the South realize that hostilities are increasing and along with pressure from Trump agreed to do something to deescalate the situation.
Not sure if this is as historic and long term as painted. What would be historic to me would be North Korea agreeing to open their society more but I don't think that will happen in conjuction with stopping nuclear tests because to be honest, the threat of nuclear attack is what allowed the Kim's to stay in power and staved off outside intervention. They will not allow the possibility of outside infleunce on their country to fester and lead to their eventually ouster. I wish they did but not even China will like that.
The status quo in North Korea will be maintained just like the North and China wants.
That's completely different from what's happening now.
I'm not saying to be that we still shouldn't be slightly cautious but this is a phenomenal achievement between the two countries.
He isn't going to win reelection on this. Domestic issues will always win imo.lmao trump just won reelection
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lmao trump just won reelection
I disagree if anything he's useless. These two countries are trying to work it out with zero US influence, nothing wrong with that either.
breh im telling you how the average mindless america will take this as a trump W and he will claim it, already hard enought for incumbents to lose.
I'm not saying that Trump will win re-election but I already see conservatives giving Trump credit for "ending the Korean War unlike Obama" on Twitter and "Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize".
Don't underestimate conservative and Republican stupidity brehs
Wow, never thought I'd see this. Let's hope it lasts 
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I'm not saying that Trump will win re-election but I already see conservatives giving Trump credit for "ending the Korean War unlike Obama" on Twitter and "Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize".
Don't underestimate conservative and Republican stupidity brehs
God damn it!! You right breh... Never underestimate
Edit: They are starting this bullshyt already
Lindsey Graham: President Trump could get Nobel Prize for how he's handled Kim Jong Un
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The situation is different this time for a few reasons:
-North Korea nuclear program now is waaaaaaayyyyy better than back then. They have a lot of leverage in negotiations. If the U.S. want NK to denuclearize, there will be a cost and the North Koreans will parlay that.
-Back then, NK’s main focus was to get deals done with the US rather than SK, being that the US was the main power shaping things. This time, NK engaged directly SK instead. Yes, NK has to engage with the US sooner or later for obvious reasons, but NK engaging with SK gives SK a lot of incentives to keep things going.
-Unlike previous US presidents, Trump wants to meet with Kim and—crazy and reckless bluster aside—seems on board with negotiations for now. Clinton made some headway but got distracted by the Israeli/Palestinian process. Bush ruined whatever progress was made by calling NK an axis of evil. Obama basically didn’t do much and went with strategic patience instead. That said, how Trump reacts to the Iran Nuclear Deal might undo a lot of the positive track he has made on the NK issue.
-This is mostly speculation on my part, but Kim Jong Un is not his father. By that, I mean that he has done several things that differentiates himself from his predecessor. He sped up nuclear tests but also did some economic reforms that were actually working for a while, till the sanctions screeched them to a halt. The man is a totalitarian with a horrible human rights record, but imho it’s evident that he wants his country to improve and no longer be as isolated as it once was. The flurry of summits he has been involved in (and will continue to be involved in) are an indicator of that.
Even this summit shows the big difference between him and his father. All previous Korean summits were in Pyongyang. Kim chose to meet with Moon at the south side of DMZ, which is a major reciprocal move.
If he really wants his country to move towards a more positive path, he will have to make a deal. I suspect he will leverage his nukes, his alliances (China and Russia), and the potential for more overall Korean sovereignty via better relations with SK when negotiating.
It all can come crashing down, but both SK and NK are putting a lot on the line for this. I am cautiously optimistic that things will be different this time.
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