Nolan Batman trilogy or Captain America? Which one is better?

[boskey]

The Captain America movies are by far the best part of the Marvel Universe...but Batman is still better. I can barely remember the plot of any of those Captain America movies. Great villains are important, sometimes more important than the protagonist.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Was watching civil war and some of the fight scenes are edited pretty bad. Looks too fake. Not saying batman had great fight scenes but for all the praise the cap movies get, there are plenty of flaws.

 

[Mojo Jojo Morpheus]

I said the Nolan trilogy is better but I kinda hate shyt like this. Yeah, all that shyt had impact at the time but dude that was almost a decade ago, now the movies have to stand on what is just in the movies. How did YOU feel about it not some 'cultural phenomenon, it had mad hype at the time' bullshyt. If you were not alive or paying attention at the time all that shyt means 0. The movies have to stand on their own, period. And they do.

Actually, the cultural impact IS a relevant factor. Because it goes beyond what any individual feels about the movie and speaks to how it was able to influence a country/ generation. Trying to assess the quality of a great film without taking into account the social and cultural impact is only telling half the story. For example, Citizen Kane is continually lauded as one of the GOATs. But if you just watch the film in 2017, without understanding the innovations that were introduced to the field of filmmaking in regards to storytelling and the technical aspects of making a movie, you won't get it.

Context is important. And it's that added layer of what you take away from a movie once you're done watching it that elevates it from just a good way to kill 2-3 hours, to a potentially life-changing experience.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Actually, the cultural impact IS a relevant factor. Because it goes beyond what any individual feels about the movie and speaks to how it was able to influence a country/ generation. Trying to assess the quality of a great film without taking into account the social and cultural impact is only telling half the story. For example, Citizen Kane is continually lauded as one of the GOATs. But if you just watch the film in 2017, without understanding the innovations that were introduced to the field of filmmaking in regards to storytelling and the technical aspects of making a movie, you won't get it.

Context is important. And it's that added layer of what you take away from a movie once you're done watching it that elevates it from just a good way to kill 2-3 hours, to a potentially life-changing experience.

But this thread is specifically about people's individual feelings on the respective trilogies.
Technical innovation is one thing and yes is always relevant. But anything being a pop phenomenon really isn't, because it doesn't speak to quality. The dumbest, poor quality shyt to real innovation can have huge social/cultural impact. It's a wide spectrum.
Context an individual watches a movie is important, but all contexts so if you saw it when it dropped and were part of huge social conversations about it that might effect your review. Equally tho, seeing it after the hype is over and all you are left with is the production itself is also important and will also have an effect on your review.

 

[Mojo Jojo Morpheus]

But this thread is specifically about people's individual feelings on the respective trilogies.
Technical innovation is one thing and yes is always relevant. But anything being a pop phenomenon really isn't, because it doesn't speak to quality. The dumbest, poor quality shyt to real innovation can have huge social/cultural impact. It's a wide spectrum.
Context an individual watches a movie is important, but all contexts so if you saw it when it dropped and were part of huge social conversations about it that might effect your review. Equally tho, seeing it after the hype is over and all you are left with is the production itself is also important and will also have an effect on your review.

Okay, but then a similar charge of being tainted by "hype" and proximity to the actual release date of the film in question can be put to Cap's movies. A couple of people in this thread, have quite correctly called out CW for being more of an (Avengers) movie than a straight Cap movie. That's a problem because it introduces the generally positive outlook people have towards Marvel's current cinematic run AND requires plot/story elements from outside the trilogy supplement what we're provided within it.

 

[Big Dick]

So brehs are really trying to deduct points from batman having better villains by saying that it took a way from the main hero? Smh. I can't even remember the villains from two of the cap movies but on here that's a good thing they didn't have memorable bad guys because it didn't detract from Cap.

Gtfo

*looks at vote*

Oh it's just the marvel brigade saying that. Got it.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Okay, but then a similar charge of being tainted by "hype" and proximity to the actual release date of the film in question can be put to Cap's movies. A couple of people in this thread, have quite correctly called out CW for being more of an (Avengers) movie than a straight Cap movie. That's a problem because it introduces the generally positive outlook people have towards Marvel's current cinematic run AND requires plot/story elements from outside the trilogy supplement what we're provided within it.

And the TDKR can be called a Cat Woman team up movie. It's an unnecessary nitpick IMO.
Well, Cap's movies can't be in the Nolan movie space because a decade hasn't passed since the movie. If you think that's an advantage for the Cap movies fine, it just can't be avoided since the last one came out last year.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

So brehs are really trying to deduct points from batman having better villains by saying that it took a way from the main hero? Smh. I can't even remember the villains from two of the cap movies but on here that's a good thing they didn't have memorable bad guys because it didn't detract from Cap.

Gtfo

*looks at vote*

Oh it's just the marvel brigade saying that. Got it.

I would argue the last two Cap movies had a dope ass villain (Bucky).
I'm part of the Marvel brigade and I said the Nolan movies. I saw some other fellow brehs do the same so nah. Unless we run deeper that I thought?

See when people disagree with other people or someone can't fathom an opposing opinion they bring up Marvel bias. That shyt is corny.

 

[OmegaK2099]

the nolan trilogy solidified me as a bat stan

 

[CookisaCac]

And plus, viewers will need to see Avengers and Age of Ultron in order to fully comprehend the Captain America Trilogy (in Civil War they'll be like "Who are these people and where did they come from?")

this. Its crazy how they got away with Civil War being the 3rd captain america movie. That shyt is basically another avengers

 

[AnonymityX1000]

this. Its crazy how they got away with Civil War being the 3rd captain america movie. That shyt is basically another avengers

Got away with?! It's a title of a movie.
They established a universe. It's unprecedented in modern movies, so should they get penalized for it or celebrated when comparing them to other trilogies/comic book movies?

 

[CookisaCac]

Got away with?! It's a title of a movie.
They established a universe. It's unprecedented in modern movies, so should they get penalized for it or celebrated when comparing them to other trilogies/comic book movies?

we know youre a marvel stan, dont quote me with your bullshyt. "bu bu its a captain america movie cause its in the title"

 

[Mojo Jojo Morpheus]

And the TDKR can be called a Cat Woman team up movie. It's an unnecessary nitpick IMO.

Tacking "IMO" at the end of that utterly ridiculous statement doesn't make it any more valid as a criticism of TDKR. Catwoman was one of the WEAKEST elements of TDKR as little more than a "f the 1% - selfish, Robin Hood - #OccupyWallStreet - action girl" pastiche. Her presence did more to detract from that film instead of adding to it, and actually did the mythos of the Catwoman character a disservice.

Conversely, what some would argue are key story elements, like the motivation and backstories of Cap's merry band of superpowered friends is left completely to the imagination of the viewer that hasn't seen the other Avengers movies outside Cap's trilogy. You can't keep handwaving that as a story fault when you keep insisting on judging the films exclusively on the merit of their own content.

That is part of why Nolan's trilogy is superior. He quite intentionally crafted a story that was meant to be finite, self-contained, and internally consistent. Of course, some feel that as much as that helped Nolan's movies it screwed the rest of the DC cinematic universe, but that's an entirely different conversation.

 

[Lefty Gunz]

Nolan trilogy had better story, performances, villains, supporting characters, score etc.

Evans was a better at being Cap than Bale was at being Batman. But that's not hard feat cause Bale was trash

 

[Mojo Jojo Morpheus]

So brehs are really trying to deduct points from batman having better villains by saying that it took a way from the main hero? Smh. I can't even remember the villains from two of the cap movies but on here that's a good thing they didn't have memorable bad guys because it didn't detract from Cap.

Gtfo

*looks at vote*

Oh it's just the marvel brigade saying that. Got it.

It would ALMOST be a meaningful criticism if Cap was this super compelling and engaging character in his own films, but he's not. He's just the Gary Stu, Nazi-esque, nerd whiteboy wish-fulfilment embodiment of Patriot Superman-lite. Which is understandable given the times that Cap was created in, but he gets no points for that. And it definitely doesn't help his wack ass first movie where he has to carry the film without the Avengers stimulus package.