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religion of piss and shyt. i hate religion, but i hate muslims the most:pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit::pacspit:. bbbbut what about the crusades, SHUT THE fukk UP. i fukking hate muslims. fukk allah fukk your stupid carpets and fukk your x100 a day prayers.

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I.AM.PIFF hit the nail on the head.

Those who call Islam "a religion of peace" are a bit out of touch. But most of the violence has very little to do with Islam.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/w...niversity-college-shooting-in-kenya.html?_r=0

Starting to believe Islam isn't a religion of peace after all.

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Student Describes Attack at Kenya School
Student Describes Attack at Kenya School

A student who escaped an attack by gunmen on a Kenyan university described the scene on Thursday.

By Citizen TV on Publish DateApril 2, 2015. Photo by Dai Kurokawa/European Pressphoto Agency.

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  • Kenya early Thursday, clashing with guards, forcing their way into dormitories, taking hostages and singling out non-Muslims, the authorities said.

    Kenya’s interior minister, Joseph Nkaissery, said that 147 people had been killed, including four attackers. He contended that the deadly siege at the university had ended, and that security forces were carefully sweeping the campus for any remaining threats.

    Kenyan security forces surrounded the campus of Garissa University College and clashed with the gunmen throughout the day, eventually cornering them in one dormitory, officials said.

    Abdikadir Sugow, the spokesman for the Garissa county government, said the gunmen were seen wearing “combat gear,” including what appeared to be “either bulletproof vests or suicide bomb vests.”

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    RELATED COVERAGEThe Shabab, an extremist group based in Somalia and affiliated with Al Qaeda, issued a statement through a radio station it controls claiming responsibility for the attack.



    By The New York Times
    It said its fighters attacked the university early Thursday morning, began separating Muslims from non-Muslims and started an “operation against the infidels.” The group said in its statement earlier in the day that its fighters were still inside the university.

    The attack was a devastating blow in a country that has long been a front-line statein the battle with Islamist extremism. In 2013, the Shabab mounted an attack on a Nairobi shopping mall that turned into a four-day siege, shaking Kenya’s prized sense of stability and leaving 67 people dead.

    The Kenyan authorities offered a bounty of 20 million Kenyan shillings (about $215,000) on Thursday for information leading to the capture of Mohammed Mohamud, who they said was the “most wanted” suspect in connection with the university attack. They said Mr. Mohamud was also known by the names Dulyadin and Gamadhere.

    President Uhuru Kenyatta issued a statement extending condolences to the families of victims and saying that he and his government “continue to pray for the quick recovery of the injured, and the safe rescue of those held hostage.”

    The disaster operations center said that four critically wounded people had been airlifted to Nairobi, the capital, for treatment.

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    A soldier took cover during an attack by gunmen at the university campus in Garissa, Kenya on Thursday.CreditNoor Khamis/Reuters
    Mr. Sugow, the county spokesman, said the college “hosts students from all over Kenya, of different religious and ethnic backgrounds.”

    Augustine Alanga, 21, an economics student at the college, said he had been asleep in his dormitory when the shooting began. Startled and afraid, he said, he bolted from his room without stopping to put on his shoes, and got cuts on his feet as he sprinted barefoot across the campus and into a nearby forest.

    “When I looked back, I saw them,” Mr. Alanga recalled. “There were five or six of them. They were masked. And they were shooting live rounds.”

    The attack began about 5:30 a.m., when the gunmen forced their way onto the campus by firing at guards at the main gate, according to a statement issued by the office of the inspector general of the National Police Service in Nairobi.

    “Police officers who were at the time guarding the students’ hostels heard the gunshots and responded swiftly, and engaged the gunmen in a fierce shootout; however, the attackers retreated and gained entry into the hostels,” the statement said. “Security agencies arrived and are currently engaged in an elaborate process of flushing out the gunmen.”

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    Students took shelter in a vehicle after gunmen attacked the Garissa University College. CreditAssociated Press
    The police surrounded and sealed off the campus, and by 11 a.m., three of the college’s four student dormitories had been evacuated, while “the attackers have been cornered in one hostel,” the Interior Ministry said on Twitter.

    Joseph Boinet, the chief of the Kenyan police, ordered a curfew of 6:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m. in four counties in northeastern Kenya, including Garissa County, to remain in effect for two weeks. The town of Garissa is about 90 miles from the Somali border.

    Kenya’s struggles with the Shabab have been going on for years. In late 2011, citing a string of attacks and kidnappings in its country, the Kenyan military charged across the border into Somalia, sending troops, tanks and aircraft to push the Shabab out of its southern strongholds.


    The incursion managed to dislodge the Shabab from vital positions, but it raised fears of reprisals. The Shabab immediately vowed to retaliate, and many Kenyans worried that the military campaign would incite terrorism inside Kenya — a fear that seemed to culminate in the attack on the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi, a gleaming symbol of Kenya’s modernity, wealth and relative peace.


    Joseph Nkaissery, Kenya’s interior minister, said many students were killed during the siege of a university.

    By Reuters on Publish DateApril 2, 2015. Photo by Dai Kurokawa/European Pressphoto Agency.
    The Shabab began trying to affiliate with Al Qaeda as early as 2009, but Osama bin Laden kept them at arm’s length when he was alive, and internal documents have revealed that he was uneasy about the group’s murderous tactics, including the indiscriminate killing of Muslim civilians. The Shabab did not become an official branch of Al Qaeda until February 2012, almost a year after Bin Laden’s death.

    Since then, the group has maintained that it tries to minimize Muslim casualties, though Muslims continue to be targets in many of their operations. During the shopping mall attack, gunmen separated Muslim from non-Muslim civilians by asking religious trivia questions (“What is the name of the Prophet’s mother?” “What is the name of his first wife?”). The “nonbelievers” were killed on the spot.

    In a 1992 Shabab document that was found in Mali by The Associated Press, the group tried to justify its tactics, saying that “all Muslims must stay far away from the enemy and their installations so as not to become human shields for them” and that there was “no excuse for those who live or mingle with the enemies.”

    In 2014, the Shabab attacked a church in the coastal town of Likoni, and carried out two attacks on buses in the northeastern county of Madera. In those attacks, too, riders were separated according to religion, and a total of 64 were killed, including a group of teachers returning home from vacation.


    The group has actively recruited and radicalized young people in Kenya, especially in economically depressed areas along the Indian Ocean coast where tourism, a vital industry for the country, has suffered badly because of terrorist activity.

    Recent security warnings have emphasized a continued risk of attack by the Shabab. In March, the embassies of Australia, the United States and Britain issued security alerts about possible terrorist attacks.

    “Potential targets for attacks could include hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, shopping malls, diplomatic missions, transportation hubs, religious institutions, government offices, or public transportation,” the United States Embassy warned after the reported death of Adan Garar, a Shabab leader, in March.


Not going to pretend like I know a lot about Africa. But Terrorism there seems about as bad as anyplace on the planet. Think it's time for the West to intervene?
Lol:pachaha: now you know damn well that the west wont do shyt unless they have a 'vested interest' in Kenya. And even if they do, it might even fukk things up more...
 

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Kenya needs to militarily occupy Somalia.

If Al-Shabaab is allowed to fester under their government with free reign, then they do not deserve to be ruling their country.

Kenyan troops should roll in, depose the government and set up strategic posts to try and end the Al-Shabaab scourge.
 

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Because Kenya is a Christian nation that decided to invade and take Somali land. Why would they punish a Muslim minority or any fellow Somalis? Its the same kind of logic that was used when the Black hostages were let go from the Iranian hostage crisis.

nikkas are making threads on incidents without even knowing basic historical context. fukk wrong with you nikkas:what:



you ate very ignorant accusing other people of being ignorant. Kenya did not invade somalia and take over land. The borders have been the same since the sixties. If you've been to kenya or East Africa you'd know there are ethnic groups spread across both borders, there are kenyan somalis and somalian somalis, just like there's kenyan maasai and tanzanian ones.

For years because of somalis own internal conflict kenya has let in many many refugees into the country and the border has been porous for people seeking a better life. So no kenya is not a christian country. It's a country every religion has been living together in the past without conflict. The entire coast region is primarily Muslim.

Whatever interferences kenya has done in somalia has been for the sake of peace keeping because we want stability there. But when you help them, they attack you. Uganda sent UN troops there and they bomb attacked ugandan watching a world cup game.

So do not speak for a situation you do not understand! Terrorists walked into a university in a town that's not even large. Shot innocent university students who have nothing to do with nothing, and just like they did in the Westgate mall bombing asked questions from the Koran to separate the Muslim from the others. Then killed the others indiscriminately. What have these people done? 147 people killed.
 

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Kenya needs to militarily occupy Somalia.

If Al-Shabaab is allowed to fester under their government with free reign, then they do not deserve to be ruling their country.

Kenyan troops should roll in, depose the government and set up strategic posts to try and end the Al-Shabaab scourge.

They did most of this in 2011 and it made it worse. You won't end Al-Shabaab via military occupation.
 

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you ate very ignorant accusing other people of being ignorant. Kenya did not invade somalia and take over land. The borders have been the same since the sixties. If you've been to kenya or East Africa you'd know there are ethnic groups spread across both borders, there are kenyan somalis and somalian somalis, just like there's kenyan maasai and tanzanian ones.

For years because of somalis own internal conflict kenya has let in many many refugees into the country and the border has been porous for people seeking a better life. So no kenya is not a christian country. It's a country every religion has been living together in the past without conflict. The entire coast region is primarily Muslim.

Whatever interferences kenya has done in somalia has been for the sake of peace keeping because we want stability there. But when you help them, they attack you. Uganda sent UN troops there and they bomb attacked ugandan watching a world cup game.

So do not speak for a situation you do not understand! Terrorists walked into a university in a town that's not even large. Shot innocent university students who have nothing to do with nothing, and just like they did in the Westgate mall bombing asked questions from the Koran to separate the Muslim from the others. Then killed the others indiscriminately. What have these people done? 147 people killed.

A ton of biased, false drivel.

The Road to Garissa
By SHAILJA PATEL

But Kenya refused to accept the results.


2015
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the morning after a massacre

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2014

#KasaraniConcentrationCamp: ”Operation Usalama Watch was launched on April 2, 2014, following a major terrorist attack last year and a series of smaller bombings in Nairobi and Mombasa. The name “Kasarani Concentration Camp” comes from Kasarani Stadium, which was turned into a police station early in the operation, and where an unknown number of people are still being held. (Numbers have been a huge problem this whole time; those who have passed through the stadium are said to be in the thousands, those held at any given time in the hundreds). The detainees include women, children, and the elderly. Conditions at the stadium and police stations where people are held are atrocious. Humanitarian organizations have been told to keep out.”



September 2013

Westgate: ”During and since the four-day siege of Westgate, I have been thinking about discourses of violence, and about the forgetting-ness that such violence requires. One of the gunmen shooting people at the mall stopped to explain why they were killing even women and children. He said, “You did not spare our women and children. Why should we spare yours?”

Blowback:

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our grief may not

be branded for profit

an eight-year old is an eight-year old is an eight-year old

Wagalla is Waziristan is Westgate

a pregnant woman is a pregnant woman is a pregnant woman

Garissa is Kismayo is Nairobi

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Kenya is the seventh highest military spender in Africa: ”Kenya bought a huge consignment of arms last year from Serbia, a Russian ally that was once part of Soviet-bloc nation Yugoslavia, after a lull in purchases of heavy artillery in 2013, a new global report has revealed.”



March 2013

Ethiopia and Kenya help dismember Somalia

“After nine days of late night meetings and plenty of arm-twisting, the fragile government of Somalia was finally forced to accept that a further slice of its territory had slipped beyond its control. The deal, signed in Addis Ababa, recognised Jubaland as yet another quasi-independent entity. This strip of land in southern Somalia and bordering on Kenya and Ethiopia, it is the illegitimate heir of both of these countries.”



December 2012

Kenya police unleash 10 weeks of hell on Somali refugees: ”The report documents how police used grenade and other attacks by unknown people in Nairobi’s mainly Somali suburb of Eastleigh and a government order to relocate urban refugees to refugee camps as an excuse to rape, beat, extort money from, and arbitrarily detain, at least 1,000 people. The police described their victims as “terrorists,” and demanded payments to free them. Human Rights Watch also documented 50 cases in which the abuses would amount to torture.”



October 2011

Kenya invades Somalia: ”No. Longer. Impotent. Our boys in uniform will prove they are MEN! Let the women talk about politics—the men are going out to secure our borders. Kill the terrorists. Make Kenya Safe. New blood is pumping into our national erections. We are pointing proud and straight.”

Kenyan writers warn “all Kenyans will pay” for invasion of Somalia: ”We, the undersigned, register, in the strongest terms, our opposition to Kenya’s military incursion into Somalia. We note that several months at minimum is required to plan a military operation that involves crossing borders. Therefore the reasons put forward by the Kenyan government for this operation are demonstrably false.”



2009

The U.S. warns Kenya not to invade Somalia: ”U.S. cables made public by WikiLeaks show that the United States warned Kenya two years ago not to launch an offensive in southern Somalia against al Qaida-allied al Shabab rebels, but a U.S. official also offered to check on the “feasibility” of a U.S. review of the plans. Kenya went ahead with an invasion a month ago, saying it was a response to a recent series of kidnappings near the border between the two countries. But the existence of the cables undercuts Kenya’s claim that the move had not been long planned.”



2006

Ethiopia invades Somalia: ”The UIC (United Islamic Courts) defeated the warlords and created peace in Mogadishu for the first time in 16 years and without any help from the international community. Rather than engaging with the UIC, the U.S. and its African clients considered them as terrorists and Ethiopia was given the green light to invade and dismantle it. Ethiopian forces took over Mogadishu on December 25, 2006, and the prospect of a peaceful resurrection of Somalia perished.

Kenya’s behavior in the Kismayo region and its involvement in undermining the Somali government have alienated most Somalis. The brutality of the Ethiopian occupation has been documented by human rights groups. Resisting the Ethiopian occupation became the rallying cry for all Somalis. Some of the toughest challengers of the Ethiopian war machine were segments of the UIC militia known as al-Shabab. Their valour endeared them to many Somalis and this marked the birth of al-Shabab as we know it today. Had the international community and particularly the West productively engaged the UIC, I am confident that al-Shabab would have remained an insignificant element of a bigger nationalist movement.”



1991

The Somali state collapses: ”As traumatic as the Westgate tragedy is, it must teach thoughtful Kenyans and others that the largest number of victims of al-Shabab are not Kenyans, Ugandans, or others, but Somalis in Somalia. Al-shabab has imposed an incredible tyranny on the population and has disabled them from rebuilding their war-torn country. The international community, including Africans, have been not only oblivious to the plight of the Somali people, but have turned them into a disposable political football since the collapse of their state in 1991.

“For over 16 years the world watched warlord terrorists rape, loot and kill Somalis with impunity. In some instances, members of the international community used the warlords as clients to affect their agenda in Somalia. For instance, the value of the Somali shilling against the US dollar appreciated significantly in late 2005 and early 2006 as the market in Mogadishu realised that there was a flood of dollars coming into the city. The source of these was American intelligence sources that supported some of the warlords against what later became known as the Union of the Islamic Courts (UIC).”



1984

Wagalla Massacre of 5,000 Kenyan Somalis: ”Survivors have told the Truth Justice and Reconciliation Commission how they were forced to strip naked and to lie on the ground. They were held for five days without food and water. Clothes doused in petrol were put on them and some were burnt to death. Those who tried to escape were shot. The dead bodies were not buried but were dumped in the nearby bushes where they were eaten by hyenas.”



1980

Garissa Gubay massacre of 300-plus Kenyan Somalis: ”Mr Hamud Sheikh Mohamed, a retired public health officer, told the hearing at the Garissa Public Library that security personnel rounded up residents of Garissa Town, shot at people indiscriminately, raped others and torched houses. A total of 300 people were killed in the Garissa Gubay massacre.”



1963–67

Shifta war and the mass graves of Isiolo: ”On a sunny morning in 1963, a lorry full of military servicemen roared into a dusty village in Isiolo. The soldiers jumped out and started marking houses with what looked like chalk. Residents thought it was some sort of a population census routine, but they were wrong. The Shifta War had begun, and would continue officially for four years and behind the scenes for three decades.”

From the report of Kenya’s Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission:

“I received beatings every day. All of us — women, children, and men — were all the same. We were shiftas in the eyes of our tormentors.

“There was no water in the camp, and life was very hard. Military personnel would remove women’s headscarves and pull us by our hair.

“We watched helplessly as our children were trampled on and killed. Many of the women in the camps were also raped repeatedly.”



Leader of Evidence: You did indicate that some people were given poisoned meat. Is what you wrote true? Do you know about this?

Hassan Kuno Ali: It is true. When they came, they injected the animal with poison. They then slaughtered the animals and gave the meat to the people. When people ate the meat, they slept and could not wake up. They died.

Leader of Evidence: Who poisoned the meat?

Hassan Kuno Ali: It was the police and the army personnel.

“Archival material from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the United Kingdom suggests that the Government of Kenya was indeed poisoning water sources as a way of limiting the movement of people and their herds and enabling security forces to patrol smaller and more contained areas.”



1962

Somali northeast votes to join Somalia: ”Kenyan-Somalis’ sore relations with the government of Kenya have a rich history. Carved out of Somalia by the British, the arid northern region was neglected by both colonial and post-colonial administrations. Born out of this history of marginalization, Kenyan-Somalis identify more with their ethnic group in Somalia than with the rest of Kenyans.

“In a 1962 referendum, residents voted overwhelmingly to join Somalia. But Kenya refused to accept the results, hampering Mogadishu’s plans to form “Greater Somalia” by annexing all Somali-populated areas in the region, including Djibouti and Ethiopia’s Ogaden state.”

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/the-road-to-garissa/
 

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I see @Poitier just posting whatever random articles he can find.

The somali border disputes are a minor thing. So minor infact that no one even brings it up in any case because of the problems in somali itself. There has been no single government through the whole of somali and you're trying to argue that it's because of borders in a no man's land they could occupy anyway. In that area people cross back and forth without border concepts and that's part of the problem. For years kenya and somalis have been one. They have lived in kenya and called it their own. They are so integrated that to find who's an extremist is difficult. These attacks are done by extremists and you are making It sound like It was off attacks re nationalist campaign to reclaim land that is of no value. These articles you posted what do they prove? some 1962 declaration when the country was an infant? 1984 when we were under a dictator? 1991 that you posted that had nothing to do with any other country other than somalia collapsing. 2006 years later a peace keeping mission that establishing government in northern somalia? Military campaigns into somalia in the 2000s after bombing of innocent victims in the country even along the Muslim coast , in Uganda, at the mall.
The Eastleigh thing was handled badly and regular kenyans protested but Eastleigh is In our Country. There is so much illegality happening there, so many illegal immigrants here for other purposes, the economic support for piracy comes from there, and In turn the economic support for terrorist organization's come from there. There's no chance people are held in kasarani now. It's a fukking stadium people go to everyday.

You post Westgate yet it's an attack on us. So many attacks on kenya and any other country that tries to help stabilise somalia for their own sake and for the region's sake, because there's networks that want instability within that country. Clans fight with other clans.

None of the attacks have ever claimed the reason was because of border dispute. None In your posts as well. It's just ignorance to be some keyboard jockey trying to argue about something you only nothing off because you read some articles. You have not been to kenya, not been to somalia, mogadishu not been to the border, Not been to Mandera, not been to garissa and I have.

It's just ignorance and worse ignorance because you are trying to push it from an Intellectual know it all perspective. You know nothing. You can only intellectualize and be emotionally unattached from the fact they are killing for no good reasons other than to dissuade interruption of their terror activities, piracy and warlordism
 
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I see @Poitier just posting whatever random articles he can find.

The somali border disputes are a minor thing. So minor infact that no one even brings it up in any case because of the problems in somali itself. There has been no single government through the whole of somali and you're trying to argue that it's because of borders in a no man's land they could occupy anyway. In that area people cross back and forth without border concepts and that's part of the problem. For years kenya and somalis have been one. They have lived in kenya and called it their own. They are so integrated that to find who's an extremist is difficult. These attacks are done by extremists and you are making It sound like It was off attacks re nationalist campaign to reclaim land that is of no value. These articles you posted what do they prove? some 1962 declaration when the country was an infant? 1984 when we were under a dictator? 1991 that you posted that had nothing to do with any other country other than somalia collapsing. 2006 years later a peace keeping mission that establishing government in northern somalia? Military campaigns into somalia in the 2000s after bombing of innocent victims in the country even along the Muslim coast , in Uganda, at the mall.
The Eastleigh thing was handled badly and regular kenyans protested but Eastleigh is In our Country. There is so much illegality happening there, so many illegal immigrants here for other purposes, the economic support for piracy comes from there, and In turn the economic support for terrorist organization's come from there. There's no chance people are held in kasarani now. It's a fukking stadium people go to everyday.

You post Westgate yet it's an attack on us. So many attacks on kenya and any other country that tries to help stabilise somalia for their own sake and for the region's sake, because there's networks that want instability within that country. Clans fight with other clans.

None of the attacks have ever claimed the reason was because of border dispute. None In your posts as well. It's just ignorance to be some keyboard jockey trying to argue about something you only nothing off because you read some articles. You have not been to kenya, not been to somalia, mogadishu not been to the border, Not been to Mandera, not been to garissa and I have.

It's just ignorance and worse ignorance because you are trying to push it from an Intellectual know it all perspective. You know nothing. You can only intellectualize and be emotionally unattached from the fact they are killing for no good reasons other than to dissuade interruption of their terror activities, piracy and warlordism

Dude you are a clown.

Kenya is not innocent and no amount of excuses you make about infancy, dictators and retaliatory attacks will justify some of Kenya's questionable decision making.

You sound like the dumbass Americans who think American troops are fighting "for freedom" around the world. Kenya has as much to do with the incubation of al-Shabaab as Somalia's internal strife or Islamic ideologies.

The idea that Kenya is justified in slaughtering Somalis because al-Shabaab has mounted attacks is quite possible the dumbest string of logic I've seen in some time. You won't "stabilize" Somalia by occupying it with KDF troops you idiot. You stabilize it by helping foster a stable economy so that all those young, impressionable men who aren't working or in school aren't prone to joining extremist groups.
 

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so from what perspective are you speaking from @Poitier. what knowledge do you have on the area that makes you feel you know more about this than I do?

its intellectualizing keyboard jockeying that you doing. You know nothing about the relationship between kenya and somali and justifying acts of extremists who have no support. All these attacks are from Al shabaab who are a part of the network of Al qaeda.

its you has no merit and has no expertise in this other than you just read some stories. I on the other hand have my good friends and family who are involved in government. I have been there. You have no legitimacy and since I see you just plan to point the finger at Kenya assuming that everything kenya has done has not been a reaction to terrorism done by a minor few. You chose to ignore that kenya for 30 years has opened its border and integrated somalis into our daily life and has not ever been to war with somalia. You chose to ignore our relationship with somalis. Ask many somalis you know in the states. Many passed through kenya and are our brothers.

I don't see your legitimacy or expertise on the matter. You saw some articles on some things and now feel you understand a matter better than people on the ground
 
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so from what perspective are you speaking from @Poitier. what knowledge do you have on the area that makes you feel you know more about this than I do?

its intellectualizing keyboard jockeying that you doing. You know nothing about the relationship between kenya and somali and justifying acts of extremists who have no support. All these attacks are from Al shabaab who are a part of the network of Al qaeda.

its you has no merit and has no expertise in this other than you just read some stories. I on the other hand have my good friends and family who are involved in government. I have been there. You have no legitimacy and since I see you just plan to point the finger at Kenya assuming that everything kenya has done has not been a reaction to terrorism done by a minor few. You chose to ignore that kenya for 30 years has opened its border and integrated somalis into our daily life and has not ever been to war with somalia. You chose to ignore our relationship with somalis. Ask many somalis you know in the states. Many passed through kenya and are our brothers.

I don't see your legitimacy or expertise on the matter. You saw some articles on some things and now feel you understand a matter better than people on the ground

I don't have to be an "expert"

There is this thing called the Internet where you can read articles from the perspective of historians, economist, local, etc and gain a good idea of what is happening :ohhh:

And who said Kenya has not been kind to Somalis? You seem to think this is an either or situation. Here in America, Mexicans flock to our country but it still does not change the fact that certain American policy played a huge role in them needing to come in the first place. The same can be said of Kenya, whether you want to admit it or not. Annexing land and sending KDF troops into Somalia were questionable decisions that were integral in the current situation, no matter how much denial you are in.

FYI Extremist are not made in a vacuum :dead:
 

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Ok so you got your information from the Internet huh. that's where your expertise is coming from? I'm glad that's cleared up. Everything I've seen happen on the ground was nonsense.

I'm disappointed that terrorist can walk onto a campus and shoot down 147 people and the narrative is well we should have seen it coming, well there was this border dispute, well you sent troops into somali after they attacked a mall and killed many. Well you sent troops into somali to help establish a safer northern somalia. You sent troops after every single ship crossing by the somali shore was in danger of being attacked and robbed. Money from which would go into funding terrorism across the entire world.

This has become the narrative. Saying that these obviously rational terrorist did a reasonable thing because of minor injustices on the wake of major ones that have happened not only in kenya but across the entire East Africa and always on innocent civilians. When kenya responds to try always nd protect itself or put an end to this mess whatever they do shall be another reason someone will use for an attack.

If we sit still the piracy, the terrorism, the embedded cells continue. If we try do something these attacks are done as a way to coerce into not trying to stabilise the region.
There is history of this that I'm well aware of. Uganda sent peace keeping forces via the UN and as a.a result people who had gone innocently to watch world cup got bombed. How's this a tit for tat? I was at the airport in Nairobi wondering why there was so much media on the garissa attack day only to find out about the attack. Garissa is a primarily kenyan somali area well within kenyan border. yet they attacked them.

This narrative has to stop. This narrative can't be spread irresponsibly by people who just read the net and feel they know every guilt, every answer or solution. This narrative can't be spread because it takes away from the actuality of this event and what has just happened in whatever name or cause. There is no justification for this attack.

I can't believe something of this magnitude happens and continue to happen and you end your argument with a coli gif.

This narrative can't continue to happen . There is no justification anywhere in the world to kill civilians who are not even a part of your war or even know what you want . God shall not bless this act, Allah shall not bless this act and inshallah one day there will be peace and one day there shall be judgement.
 
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