No thread on the outing of our alien brehs?

[O.T.I.S.]

The "60+ kids" is one of many false claims from the UFO enthusiasts who promoted the story. Only 30 kids were named to have reported aliens, and not all of them saw things that could clearly be described as "aliens". That's out of 250 kids who were out at recess at the time. The 62 kids number comes from the number of drawings that were made, but kids were asked to make a drawing regardless and many of them just copied each other.


I don't think they "made shyt up". The actual progression of events looks pretty clear at this point.


1. There was a giant UFO craze going across the country after a documented rocket reentry caused a major nighttime light show over Africa (with no news stations reporting on the rocket as the actual cause). It has been proven that the kids at the school talked about UFOs in class earlier that week and even had come up with a completely different UFO sighting the day before, contradicting the UFO interviewers' claims that these children were poor rural kids unfamiliar with UFOs. In reality they were mostly rich white kids and had all seen UFOs on TV before.


2. Some kids, at recess, saw something sitting in the grass over 700 feet away. That distance has been clearly documented. Think about it - that's over 2 lengths of a football field. What details can you make out at that distance? How accurate are a kid's impressions of something that far away, especially when they're excited and only see it briefly?


3. In the intial stories, most of the kids reported seeing a Black man, often a Black man with long hair. Many of them said he had large black eyes low-set on his head. Remember that these descriptions are from OVER SEVEN HUNDRED feet away. Many of their initial drawings match this description.

Now, do you know whose group happened to be performing a concert near Harare at that time? Thomas Mapfuno. Black man, long hair, big black eyes?

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That doesn't mean Thomas Mapfuno himself was near the school. It could have been any rastafarian roadies or fans who were traveling to or from the area. Dreadlocks weren't common in Zimbabwae in 1994, but the subculture did exist and was having an event very close to the town at the same time this was happening. At 700+ feet away, how much could the kids see?

Please, look at those pictures and tell me they don't look WAY more like a Rastafarian than like an alien. The kids didn't "make up" what they saw. They just saw something innocent, some of them misinterpreted it due to the craze that was going on at the time, and then overexcited UFO enthusiasts coached them into making it something way different.

Not reading

If your mind is made up already, why are you even here? Who are you trying to convince?

Then you keep bringing up shyt that has nothing to do with the thread or posts

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So what about the object? Once again, in the vast majority of initial stories, the kids saw just one object sitting in the grass, it wasn't flying, and it was over 700 feet away. Many of the kids reporting that one of the people was standing on top of the craft.

Look at the pictures again:

How is that shyt not just some sort of hippie van or caravan?

Remember, the kids were over 700 feet away, the object was sitting in the grass, and it was in the middle of a sunny day so it was probably reflecting sunlight, which would make it harder to see and look like it had "lights". The fact that kids saw one of them standing on top of the van makes sense.


Some rastas with long hair and shades, standing next to their van, fit many of those pictures far better than grays with a flying saucer.



When you compare the stories and pictures made BEFORE the alien enthusiasts got a hold of those kids, compared to the stories long afterwards, you can see the difference. The issue is that you've been focused on their adult stories and late, post-influence interviews. When you look at the evidence closest to the moment you get a different story.

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[Professor Emeritus]

Not reading

If your mind is made up already, why are you even here?

Come on breh, did you just really follow "not reading" by complaining that other people's mind is made up?

When weird shyt happens, I seek out the evidence and try to find the best explanation. I don't just believe the first narrative that I hear.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

This wasn’t even the only School sighting either

But how about this @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited go watch the documentary Moment of Contact and debunk it.

And @Rhakim, even though you’ve posted it 3 times, ill hit you up when I feel like focusing on your post and bring up whatever I find.

Btw, the kids were not 700 feet away so they say. They hopped over the fenced area and over the lightpoles that were surrounded by the perimeter and saw it when it landed, because it was in the air at first. Some even said the creatures were mimicking them.

And yeah, I am leaning more towards their multiple adult stories

But fukk it, nvm. It was another hoax. We can leave it at that for you. It was a schoolbus full of rastas then

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And @Rhakim, even though you’ve posted it 3 times, ill hit you up when I feel like focusing on your post and bring up whatever I find.

Btw, the kids were not 700 feet away so they say. They hopped over the fenced area and over the lightpoles that were surrounded by the perimeter and saw it when it landed, because it was in the air at first.

Not a hoax. A confused story by little kids that was turned into something more by adults who practiced bad interview tactics.


The UFO enthusiast who initially interviewed the kids said they were 200 meters away (656 feet) in her own book about the incident. I pushed it up over 700 feet based on satalitte images:

saw it when it landed, because it was in the air at first.

That appears to be a later addition to the story. The initial statements from the kids virtually all say they it was on the ground when they saw it.


Here are some of the earlier descriptions. This is what the kids were saying before the UFO enthusiasts had that much time with them:

LEACH: Could you tell me what you saw on Friday?

"GUY: It looked like it was glinting in the trees. It looked roundabout like a like a disc, like a round -

And whereabouts was it?

GUY: It was in the trees over there, between the third pole.

And what happened, Guy?

GUY: Well it was just glinting in the trees and there was a man, and he walked toward us and he walked back again.

Did it make any noise, this thing?

GUY: Not really, no.

And it landed? Something landed? Did you see it land?

GUY: No, it was in the trees over there, like in the trees like glinting. And like there was somebody on the ground.

"ORIANA: I saw the same as Guy but under the silver glittery thing I saw this black - looks like a stick but was very thin."

"BOY: I saw something shining and somebody sitting on it, and they were wearing pure black."

"GIRL 2: We saw two of them, one was standing in front of the ship and the other one had long hair."

"LISEL P: We saw this like - a silver thing down there. We saw him standing by the silver thing. And he had big eyes."

"KAYLEIGH: We saw some people - a white one, a red one, a black one. The black one was sitting on the spaceship."

DANIEL M

What’s your name?

I’m Daniel M___. And I saw this silver thing in amongst this clump of trees with this one thing sitting on the side and another thing sort of like running up and down the top.

When you say "thing", was it a form of some sort?

Yeah, it almost looked like a real person except it was fairly plump.

["Daniel was the only one who saw the entities as being 'plump.' He himself is a well-built boy for his age, and one wonders if this might not have influenced his assessment." (Hind, UFOs Over Africa, 1996, p. 229)]

Plump, like me then. And what did you think it was? What were your thoughts?

At first I thought it was just some boy from the compound [labourers’ quarters] playing around, but the hair was - it looked more like our hair, it wasn’t curly. That thing almost looked like a hippie.

LUKE N

I didn’t see the spaceship but I saw the little black guy, he looked - he was all black, and it looked like he had long hair.

EMILY B

And your name?

My name is Emily B___. I saw the little black men. They had longish hair and it was all black. And they had big black eyes. That’s all I saw. I saw a glimpse. They kind of turned around and stared and then went back into a kind of like ship. There was like sort of one big one and quite a few little ones.

NATHANIEL C

What did you see?

I saw a sort of like ship, landed on the ground.

Why do you say ship? Did it have a shape?

Yes.

Like what?

It was - it had a round top and it was flat like that around the sides.

What was around the sides?

Just a sort of like a platform coming around the side.

Did you see anything else?

Yes. We saw a black man running around.

CHARITY S

Did you also see?

Yes.

What is your name?

Charity ___.

What did you see?

I saw something silver on the ground amongst the trees, and a person in black. And that’s all I saw.

You saw a person alongside the silver thing?

Yes.

What did the silver thing look like?

It looked like a saucer but the shape wasn’t really round.

EMMA K

Teacher: And this is Emma. [Emma sits]

HIND: Oh, Emma K___?

EMMA: Yes.

Yes because your drawing was particularly interesting - they have asked me about it. In your drawing you’ve got not only the main object there but you’ve got several others. Now did you see these coming down?

No.

Or did you see them in the sky?

I saw them disappear. They went 1 meter up from the ground and then they just disappeared.

They went 1 meter up and they disappeared. And this, this, you saw this creature?

Yes, he was very very shiny black.

Shiny black -

Shiny black.

LISEL P

MACKIE: Lisel was the other one.

HIND: Lisel P?

LISEL: Yes.

And what did you see?

Well I saw a silver sort of thing, it was shaped [circles her finger], it was like lying down like this on the side. And I saw a black man, he was just in black, and he had big eyes.

Show me with your hand how big the eyes were.

They were shaped something like that. [makes rings over her eyes with her fingers]

What did you think it was?

Well I thought twice. I thought it was an alien, and then I thought maybe it was the gardener or someone.

I mean really, how can you read that shyt and not think they were just innocent kids looking at some long-haired black guys hanging out next to a silver van "glinting" in the sun a long ways away? And in a week of MASSIVE country-wide UFO hysteria caused by known rocket fallout, they interpreted it imaginatively?

The initial stories almost all say the craft didn't fly in, they just saw it sitting there in the trees. The ones that do mention flying are contradictory - some kids say it was just a meter off the ground, others say it went down into the valley, others say it just disappeared suddenly, some say it was moving fast and some slow. Only 1 or 2 kids initially said it was "high" out of 30+ interviewed, so they're probably just the most imaginative ones. If it was really flying high, wouldn't all the kids have mentioned that? The stories that came weeks/months afterwards were MUCH more likely to mention flying than the initial stories I just quoted.

Some even said the creatures were mimicking them.

That makes it sound even more like rastas. They saw a group of kids looking and pointing at them and started doing the same thing back.

 

[Jean Jacket]

@Rhakim

Explain the middle east metallic orb picked up by the MQ9.

The director of AARO couldn't explain an obvious Orb with controlled flight.

This was 12 days ago.



I believe it's extraterrestrial.

Seems like you like to debunk.

Prove me wrong.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Rastafarians

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Rastafarians

Why is that funny when I just quoted a dozen different kids saying they were long-haired black men, and there was a rasta performance nearby at the time?




One of the kids literally said it "looked like a hippie".

 

[Jean Jacket]

Rastafarians

Not 1 child said that they made it up.

Most of them described being telepathically connected to the being and it showed them things.

No kids were that deep into ufo knowledge to explain the effects of that so accurately.

Those kids saw something that they couldn't explain.

Now we got people that weren't there 35 something years ago fully explaining with no concrete data.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim

Explain the middle east metallic orb picked up by the MQ9.

I believe it's extraterrestrial.

Seems like you like to debunk.

Prove me wrong.

You immediately believe it's extraterrestrial based off of a few out-of-focus pixels?


I have some theories, but let's start at the beginning with critical information. Before we can even evaluate it, we need to answer some basic questions:



1) How far away do you believe the object is from the camera, and how can you tell?

2) How far off the ground do you believe the object is, and how can you tell?

3) Is the camera panning, and is it panning flat at a constant angle or is it rotating with respect to the ground?



There is very little you can say about the object and its flight unless you answer those questions first, due to potential parallax.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Not a hoax. A confused story by little kids that was turned into something more by adults who practiced bad interview tactics.


The UFO enthusiast who initially interviewed the kids said they were 200 meters away (656 feet) in her own book about the incident. I pushed it up over 700 feet based on satalitte images:

That appears to be a later addition to the story. The initial statements from the kids virtually all say they it was on the ground when they saw it.


Here are some of the earlier descriptions. This is what the kids were saying before the UFO enthusiasts had that much time with them:






































I mean really, how can you read that shyt and not think they were just innocent kids looking at some long-haired black guys hanging out next to a silver van "glinting" in the sun a long ways away? And in a week of MASSIVE country-wide UFO hysteria caused by known rocket fallout, they interpreted it imaginatively?

The initial stories almost all say the craft didn't fly in, they just saw it sitting there in the trees. The ones that do mention flying are contradictory - some kids say it was just a meter off the ground, others say it went down into the valley, others say it just disappeared suddenly, some say it was moving fast and some slow. Only 1 or 2 kids initially said it was "high" out of 30+ interviewed, so they're probably just the most imaginative ones. If it was really flying high, wouldn't all the kids have mentioned that? The stories that came weeks/months afterwards were MUCH more likely to mention flying than the initial stories I just quoted.






That makes it sound even more like rastas. They saw a group of kids looking and pointing at them and started doing the same thing back.

New photos show imprints left by UFO spotted in Zimbabwe in 1994

New photos obtained by DailyMail.com show imprints in the ground left by an alleged UFO that was seen by over 60 witnesses in a famous sighting in Zimbabwe in September 1994.

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So the kids were too stupid to know what they saw… got it. This shyt sounds familiar

New photos show imprints in a field left by an alleged UFO that was seen by over 60 witnesses in a famous 1994 sighting in Zimbabwe.

A whole class of children at the Ariel School in Ruwa drew media attention nearly 30 years ago after they said they had seen a disc-shaped craft land in a field behind their playground one Friday morning in September 1994 – and some even said they saw humanoid beings come out from the craft and communicate with them.

A Pulitzer Prize-winning head of psychiatry at Harvard interviewed many of the 62 children at length shortly after, and concluded they were telling the truth. Now adults, they have all stuck to their stories for decades.


Previously unseen photo evidence has been shared with DailyMail.com ahead of the release of a new documentary, Ariel Phenomenon, about the astonishing incident.

The stunning revelation also comes as interest in UFOs is growing in the United States.

Over five dozen school children at the Ariel School in Ruwa, Zimbabwe claimed to have witnessed a unidentified flying craft land in a field behind their playground in September 1994

Researchers traveled to the school where they asked the kids to draw what they'd seen 'while it was fresh in their minds'

Photographer Gunter Hofer, who was one of the first on the scene documenting the incident, shared his photos which show wedge-shaped impressions allegedly left by the UFO in the grass field. He is seen posing near the 'flattened' grass

Hofer would later realize that some of the children had seen UFOs on two different days, Thursday September 15, 1994 and Friday, September 16

The kids claimed the first alleged landing took place on the other end of the campus, which led Hofer to discover the physical evidence

A marked photo illustrates the wedge-shaped impressions found in the dry soil within the grass after the alleged UFO sighting

The one element that had been lacking in the extraordinary case was physical evidence that something had landed in the schoolyard that morning.

But now DailyMail.com can reveal photographs of wedge-shaped impressions in the 'rock-hard' soil and an oval indentation in the long grass allegedly left by the craft.

Photographer Gunter Hofer was one of the first on the scene to document what happened, and shared his photos with DailyMail.com.

A map of Ariel School illustrates the two landing sites where the UFOs are said to have touched down on two consecutive days in September 1994

The site of the alleged second landing on Friday, September 16. Hofer explained he didn't find any evidence of a landing in this area where the ground was 'already flat, there was no grass and the surface was hard'

Students Farrayi and Guy Gibbon at Ariel School showing Hofer and the crew around the grounds beyond the playground where the UFO was seen
'I couldn't find anything in the area where many of the children had seen a craft. It was difficult, as the ground was already flat, there was no grass and the surface was hard,' he said.

'But some of the children described seeing a craft in a separate location on the savanna, which is where I found impressions in the grass.

'I found two oval shapes, one smaller and one larger. I also found what looked like a wedge-shaped marking in the ground, something had pushed in,' he said.

Hofer was first alerted to the incident the day it occurred by the BBC's man in Zimbabwe, journalist Tim Leech.

Leech accompanied him and local UFO researcher Cynthia Hind to interview the children the following Tuesday.

'Cynthia asked the headmaster if the kids could draw what they'd seen while it was fresh in their minds,' Hofer said.

'There was a very palpable atmosphere of excitement, of course, and also confusion over what it could be.

'Most of the descriptions we got from the kids were very consistent, of a short-looking being,' he added. 'A lot of them described very large eyes.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

They couldn't describe the clothing exactly. But one of them said it reminded them of a diving suit because it was tight-fitting.'

When the schoolchildren were asked to draw their observations, some produced drawings containing two objects, one which was cigar-shaped labeled 'Thursday' and another which was disc-like or oval-shaped, labeled 'Friday'

As for the humanoids some claimed to see emerge from the craft, Hofer said that most of the students' descriptions were 'very consistent of a short-looking being' and 'a lot of them described very large eyes'

One student drew a picture of an alien that allegedly came out of the UFO in front of the group of school children

A drawing of the craft that the students said shone like water in the sun

The children stand by their story to this day. Several were interviewed by documentary director Randall Nickerson for his new movie on the incident, Ariel Phenomenon, released Thursday.

Nickerson told DailyMail.com the witnesses are still impacted as adults and have suffered from PTSD.

Lisil Field, who was in Grade 4 at the time, told the documentary: 'I remember seeing two flashing lights and I saw a big silver saucer thing that was hovering, and then it landed or hovered on a stone, then I saw two figures come out, really black but their face, you could actually see not much of their face, but it was really white in color.'

Another witness, Robert Medcalf, who was in Grade 2 at the time, said: 'I suddenly realized that he's not quite normal. I didn't actually know about UFOs or aliens at the time, I just thought it was a strange person…[the being's eyes] were almost like rugby balls or American footballs, with huge eyes on the side of his face.'

Nickerson told DailyMail.com that a UFO was tracked on radar twice a day before the encounter.

An unidentified object traveling across the Atlantic at high speed was pinged first by Mexican radar, then shortly after by commercial radar operators from Johannesburg in South Africa, he said, adding that radar contact was eventually tracked to a location 'near the Zimbabwean border with Botswana.'

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Not 1 child said that they made it up.

Most of them described being telepathically connected to the being and it showed them things.

No kids were that deep into ufo knowledge to explain the effects of that so accurately.

Breh, NONE of the kids said they were telepathically connected to the aliens until MONTHS afterwards. They only said those things after John Mack, the UFO enthusiast/psychologist, came and interviewed them. They got the "UFO knowledge" from HIM.

I just quoted their initial statements. Not one word about telepathic connection. Not one word.

Those kids saw something that they couldn't explain.

They explained it pretty well in those statements. An oblong silver object parked in the trees, glinting in the sun, with long-haired black men hanging out around it.

Now we got people that weren't there 35 something years ago fully explaining with no concrete data.

My concrete data is their exact statements and drawings at the time, along with a map of the property and the knowledge that rastas were involved in the area at the time but weren't popular or well-known yet.

Your data is based on interviews months or years later after the UFO enthusiasts got a hold of them.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

See how easy it it to post links and quotes… except mines are actually from the grown ass adults that were there, and yours are from “professional debunkers” who were never there.

My nikka, you’re saying it was a bus full of potsmoking rastas that they saw land their bus, get out, interact with the kids, etc…

Or was it “mass hysteria” that the other debunkers said before the kids were even interviewed as adults?

Edit: I’m actually mixing up 2 different school incidents with the mimicking thing. But same shyt

I also saw your Rastafarian in one of the drawings @Rahkim. I guess they’re short with pale skin and huge black eyes too

 

[Jean Jacket]

You immediately believe it's extraterrestrial based off of a few out-of-focus pixels?


I have some theories, but let's start at the beginning with critical information. Before we can even evaluate it, we need to answer some basic questions:



1) How far away do you believe the object is from the camera, and how can you tell?

2) How far off the ground do you believe the object is, and how can you tell?

3) Is the camera panning, and is it panning flat at a constant angle or is it rotating with respect to the ground?



There is very little you can say about the object and its flight unless you answer those questions first, due to potential parallax.

AARO and NASA couldn't figure it out from the sensor data from the drone. They deemed it a UFO.

I trust that they have analyzed all of the data you asked for. They are scientists and astrophysicists.

I have never seen technology on Earth like it...

So, I'm agreeing with them that it's anomalous.

I'm going to be safe and call it extraterrestrial until proven otherwise.