No thread on Syria's chemical/gas attack massacre...

[Kritic]

so who benefits from this war? Us? Israel? Saudi Arabia? Qtar? Syrian people?

let's begin by naming who'll lose the most. and that is the syrian ppl. they'll be pushed back 1000 yrs and never recover. just like iraqis and libyas never will. they'll fight each other to oblivion but their gas lines will be guarded by special forces.
the 2nd loser is the united states. this war is gonna cost us billions of dollars we don't have. there are corporations who gain in war. banks and oil companies that win. the oil companies will rise prices to make us feel like we need this war to bring prices down but ultimately with or without war prices will still rise.
american ppl don't need this oil that bad. a very very small percentage of us oil comes from that region anyway.

the biggest winner off this war is yup you got it. them fuqqin jew bags. israel gains the most of this war. to them it's one less headache to worry about. these ppl have too much influence in american politics and media/entertainment to distract ppl from what's really happening.

american ppl don't even know or understand this war. monkey see, monkey do.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

i swear fo gawd I will never forget that part of the speech. I will be on my death bed going, "this nikka said we are rolling with poland."

 

[tru_m.a.c]

so who benefits from this war? Us? Israel? Saudi Arabia? Qtar? Syrian people?


what i find peculiar is how a---l q-------eid--a(nikka aint tryna get put on te --rror list you kno ) is involved in all these conflicts

bro, you already have a profile somewhere....everyone on this forum does

 

[JasonSJackson]

"change the momentum on the battlefield"

lol

 

[Dyce25]

you honestly believe dropping bombs in syria in 2013, during a civil war, won't have powder keg ramifications until 2023 - 2053?

Sir....

The point is that it's not a "powder keg" at all. The only military ramifications from this will be in Syria itself. As I said, it depends on what one means when asking the question about Russian intervention. If the question is whether or not they'll strike us directly, then the answer is no. If the question is whether us and Russia will be fighting a proxy war through Syria (plus a renewed Cold War), then the answer is yes. Overall, the bigger international impacts of a unilateral decision to strike Syria would not manifest themselves immediately, though. And direct, open military confrontation between us and Russia (or even China) is not going to happen in our lifetimes* because of simple "mutually assured destruction." *Admittedly, technology might change that equation in the future, however.

 

[Consigliere]

all of the above.

How does the US benefit from this?

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

How does the US benefit from this?

CENTCOM Commander General James Mattis said in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee that forcing Assad from power would be “the biggest strategic setback for Iran in 25 years.”21 Senator John McCain, then the senior Republican on the panel, agreed with Mattis saying, “the end of the Assad regime could sever Hezbollah’s lifeline to Iran, eliminate a longstanding threat to Israel, bolster Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence, and remove a committed state sponsor of terrorism that is engaged in the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. It would be a geopolitical success of the first order.”22 Iran’s Supreme Leader’s advisor for international affairs Ali Akbar Velayati said in late January that Iran would consider an attack on Syria to be an attack on itself.23 Just a week earlier, Velayati had said that Assad was a critical ally, and that his fate was a “red line” for Tehran.24 Forcing Assad’s exit would deprive Iran of a key strategic ally.

 

[MVike28]

@Ritzy Sharon
إن شاء الله

 

[Consigliere]

Right.... I got the part about lining up more wars for us to fight... why do we need to take down Iran? How does that benefit us?

 

[MVike28]

Right.... I got the part about lining up more wars for us to fight... why do we need to take down Iran? How does that benefit us?

They're the biggest threat to the Gulf region, whose countries are staunch allies of the US.

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc.

 

[Consigliere]

They're the biggest threat to the Gulf region, whose countries are staunch allies of the US.

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc.

Okay.. what is Iran actively doing to these Gulf countries countries be considered a threat? And more importantly, how did Iran get that way?

 

[thekingsmen]

 

[Kritic]

Right.... I got the part about lining up more wars for us to fight... why do we need to take down Iran? How does that benefit us?

to dissect your question... there is no such thing as us. you and i don't gain anything from this war. unless you own some nice stock in some defense or oil company you ain benefiting sh1t. you still gonn be ridin around town finding the cheapest gas when its still all going up. your job is still gonna be shipped oversees.
and soldiers come from the war they're gonna be roaming the streets walkin like hobos traumatized by the war. barack and the 1%ers will be straight. us will still be paying billions to israel in reparations.

your typical black white hispanic person doesn't gain nothing from this war. life has been getting harder and harder while they push these fallacies of war on us. who gained most from wwii? the banks did. regular ppl don't benefit out of war. there is no us. aipac is furious right now barack and the dems couldn't brut force into war like bush did. infact they might just "get rid of him" like they did jfk. they got him. they elected him and he has to do as they please or else...

 

[Dyce25]

Right.... I got the part about lining up more wars for us to fight... why do we need to take down Iran? How does that benefit us?

I don't think anyone can definitively answer the question of what's in it for us because we lack the full information, but there are some possibilities we can infer. Now, I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with these possibilities. I'm just providing an answer to the question. If one took certain perspectives, one could come up with a number of things, including:

1) War = Money. Lining up more wars would presumably be very lucrative.
2) America tends to adhere to the "Democratic Peace Theory" - Basically this theory states that democratic countries are less likely to go to war with each other for a number of reasons. Therefore, if democracy itself were spread, war would be less prevalent. We all know regime change, while not publicly admitted to, would be the goal of any intervention on our part, and if other wars were initiated from this, the goal there would be regime change, as well.
3) It would cripple Russia in economic and geopolitical ways. First off, it would immediately take $4 billion in arms sales away from the Russians. While that's not a lot of money to a nation like Russia, we would also claim their only Mediterranean naval port, strip them of an ally, and place their last remaining ally in the region in an even more precarious situation than the present.
4) Cheaper oil, strengthening of Saudi Arabia/US relations, which results in UN votes and OPEC influence.
5) Plain old imperialism, maybe for resources.
6) Simple (while no doubt complex) geopolitical gains for the future.

Others may have more or different possibilities, though.

 

[Consigliere]

to dissect your question... there is no such thing as us. you and i don't gain anything from this war. unless you own some nice stock in some defense or oil company you ain benefiting sh1t. you still gonn be ridin around town finding the cheapest gas when its still all going up. your job is still gonna be shipped oversees.
and soldiers come from the war they're gonna be roaming the streets walkin like hobos traumatized by the war. barack and the 1%ers will be straight. us will still be paying billions to israel in reparations.

your typical black white hispanic person doesn't gain nothing from this war. life has been getting harder and harder while they push these fallacies of war on us. who gained most from wwii? the banks did. regular ppl don't benefit out of war. there is no us. aipac is furious right now barack and the dems couldn't brut force into war like bush did. infact they might just "get rid of him" like they did jfk. they got him. they elected him and he has to do as they please or else...

Well said. This seems to be the opinion of most of us who are against military action against Syria.

So how do we change course as a country? Considering that the consensus is that wars with Iran & Russia are inevitable it might behoove us to start looking for more Diplomatic solutions before WWIII instead of after. I'd rather just straight up give the banks and war profiteers money directly instead of getting scammed and or killed.