FreshFromATL
Self Made
Most 13 year olds are not mentally ready to learn programming when they barely know fukking algebra.
No, Manufacturing jobs won't revive the economy
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Most 13 year olds are not mentally ready to learn programming when they barely know fukking algebra.
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
Those with at least 50,000 worth of student debt who are in the field now rising up. When the change happens, they will be close to or at the top so they won't be as expendable.
Except for the fact that my lil cuz was offered scholarships to major universities and was pulled outta college with a 100K bonus when he was like 17.. He started when he was 11. He's not a genius at all - it just seems that way. It's all about early childhood education.Obviously if the aim is to start teaching advanced skills by the mid teens.. then the early education would also be more focused. It's really the only way we advance in America, and other nations are already ahead.
When I was 13, I had a hard time in 9th grade... it was mostly because I was just starting to work on my p*ssy getting skills. It wasn't because I couldn't do algebra n shyt.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
should be walking around elementary school with it certs under their belt and paneraris on their wrists
Scustin Trillberlake
Banned
You'se a knowledgeable nikka
We used to run up in countries, empty their safes, and leave, now companies are doing this to us. Foreign companies are now making offers on US companies like A billion dollars, we got that. Thank God for that bomb, it's why we still on top military-wise. You have to have a good heart to want to open a company in USA. Margins are higher overseas (meaning product is more expensive), labor is lower, and more government incentives. USA is almost becoming like HK, where people have a location for bragging rights, not because it makes economic sense
so we take an article on salon.com as the gospel and simply ignore thousands of years of economic evidence that points to manufacturing as the foundation of a good economy? 
we need manufacturing to boost the WORKING class, which in turn helps boost the MIDDLE class. if you have more people spending money in an economy thats a good thing. more people with more money in their pockets is a good thing.
there are over 300 million people in this country, do you really think all these people can get high education/high training jobs? do enough people have adequate access to the resources to even acquire higher education and high skill jobs? not in this elitist country, not by a long shot.
we dont have to go to extremes. it doesnt have to be high skilled jobs OR manufacturing jobs. it has to be a balance, so we need both.
there's no logical argument for supporting all the outsourcing of manufacturing we do as a country. thats just poor economic fundamentals. think about the fact that every single one of those products we outsource could be made in an american factory, paying an american a solid wage to live on.
and no it wouldn't necessarily increase prices for consumers because we are already overpaying. we pay hundreds and even thousands of times more than what it costs to make these outsourced products. only difference is the corporations selling the product are the only ones eating off that price margin.
if it costs $1 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$99 approx.
but if it costs $14 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$86 approx. it's obvious nike has a smaller payout if they have to pay an american worker a union wage to make the sneaker instead of a 13-year old cambodian girl. but either way the product is still $100 for the consumer.
if the price goes higher than the consumer is willing to pay then people wont buy it, then the price falls naturally. if the consumer is willing to buy then so be it, its a win-win, because if people still buy the sneaker at $115 the economy benefits, and if the producer has to drop the price and sell at $100 the economy benefits. the only one winning in the current arrangement is the corporation.
and then you have our government, a third of which is getting paid off by the corporations, another third being completely incompetent, and the final third having no courage. a complete embarrassment.
we need manufacturing to boost the WORKING class, which in turn helps boost the MIDDLE class. if you have more people spending money in an economy thats a good thing. more people with more money in their pockets is a good thing.
there are over 300 million people in this country, do you really think all these people can get high education/high training jobs? do enough people have adequate access to the resources to even acquire higher education and high skill jobs? not in this elitist country, not by a long shot.
we dont have to go to extremes. it doesnt have to be high skilled jobs OR manufacturing jobs. it has to be a balance, so we need both.
there's no logical argument for supporting all the outsourcing of manufacturing we do as a country. thats just poor economic fundamentals. think about the fact that every single one of those products we outsource could be made in an american factory, paying an american a solid wage to live on.
and no it wouldn't necessarily increase prices for consumers because we are already overpaying. we pay hundreds and even thousands of times more than what it costs to make these outsourced products. only difference is the corporations selling the product are the only ones eating off that price margin.
if it costs $1 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$99 approx.
but if it costs $14 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$86 approx. it's obvious nike has a smaller payout if they have to pay an american worker a union wage to make the sneaker instead of a 13-year old cambodian girl. but either way the product is still $100 for the consumer.
if the price goes higher than the consumer is willing to pay then people wont buy it, then the price falls naturally. if the consumer is willing to buy then so be it, its a win-win, because if people still buy the sneaker at $115 the economy benefits, and if the producer has to drop the price and sell at $100 the economy benefits. the only one winning in the current arrangement is the corporation.
and then you have our government, a third of which is getting paid off by the corporations, another third being completely incompetent, and the final third having no courage. a complete embarrassment.
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
You'se a knowledgeable nikka
You have to have a good heart to want to open a company in USA. Margins are higher overseas (meaning product is more expensive), labor is lower, and more government incentives. USA is almost becoming like HK, where people have a location for bragging rights, not because it makes economic sense
That's why Obama is trying to raise the value of the dollar. People sleep on this but the reason the foreign companies have been showing up in America over the past five years is due to the value of the dollar. Which had been piss poor six months ago. Now it's raising and people who got in early are starting to reap those benefits of a strong dollar. But from a labor standpoint you can still make good money opening a plant down in the south, (Lack of unions) but you have to deal with the actual workers. Nightmarish at times. You would be better of importing some Indonesians or Mexicans.
Some companies are trying to make a move to Mexico. But they all have security concerns. SERIOUS security concerns. lol
ltheghost
Payin Debts.... N40
That paper though
That paper would be nice...if you didn't have to spent a 1/4 on it on "security" guarantees from local "security" enforcers. Or even that shytty police force they got down there...lol
Maquila my man. Pay the chicano boss, make the situation lovely for him, keep a tight watch on his azz, and stop by periodically to make sure he keeps the movement moving, and the computers 'putin'. Even with a 15-25% "tax" you're still coming out ahead
ogc163
Superstar
so we take an article on salon.com as the gospel and simply ignore thousands of years of economic evidence that points to manufacturing as the foundation of a good economy?
we need manufacturing to boost the WORKING class, which in turn helps boost the MIDDLE class. if you have more people spending money in an economy thats a good thing. more people with more money in their pockets is a good thing.
there are over 300 million people in this country, do you really think all these people can get high education/high training jobs? do enough people have adequate access to the resources to even acquire higher education and high skill jobs? not in this elitist country, not by a long shot.
we dont have to go to extremes. it doesnt have to be high skilled jobs OR manufacturing jobs. it has to be a balance, so we need both.
there's no logical argument for supporting all the outsourcing of manufacturing we do as a country. thats just poor economic fundamentals. think about the fact that every single one of those products we outsource could be made in an american factory, paying an american a solid wage to live on.
and no it wouldn't necessarily increase prices for consumers because we are already overpaying. we pay hundreds and even thousands of times more than what it costs to make these outsourced products. only difference is the corporations selling the product are the only ones eating off that price margin.
if it costs $1 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$99 approx.
but if it costs $14 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$86 approx. it's obvious nike has a smaller payout if they have to pay an american worker a union wage to make the sneaker instead of a 13-year old cambodian girl. but either way the product is still $100 for the consumer.
if the price goes higher than the consumer is willing to pay then people wont buy it, then the price falls naturally. if the consumer is willing to buy then so be it, its a win-win, because if people still buy the sneaker at $115 the economy benefits, and if the producer has to drop the price and sell at $100 the economy benefits. the only one winning in the current arrangement is the corporation.
and then you have our government, a third of which is getting paid off by the corporations, another third being completely incompetent, and the final third having no courage. a complete embarrassment.
Thing is most of the economic profession does not agree with you, whether on the left or right. The only people who cling to this stuff are the fringe anti-international trade left and the Pat Buchanan types on the right. Manufacturing has been in great shape for quite some time now in terms of total output,but it is less dependent on labor not just in the United States but around the globe. The protectionism angle you are pushing is not going to solve the employment problems, people always want to get pissed off at international firms, workers, and trade when unemployment is high but enjoy low prices and new products when things are going well...espousing protectionist rhetoric is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction at this point in time.VerbalIntercourse
Banned
What kind of low expectations do you have?
The federal government has been involved in education for quite sometime now.
Nothing has changed infact it has gotten slightly worse. I would love to see what the Higher Learning's progressive Cabal have to suggest.
More discipline at schools and more intense programs--equals more black youth suspended and less black youth making through K12. With a national graduation rate of 54 percent, Black youth can barely make it through the fairly dumbed down standards of American Public schools. Do you suggest that they make it harder for them?
The administrators have tried everything at the Urban schools. Nothing has worked. What else can they do?
I think a test score-based tiered school system like Tawians or chinas would help America. We need to seperate the riff-raff from the junk in our schools, and it needs to be early on (in east asia it happens around 6th grade)
. There will racial imbalances, but we are just going to have learn to live it.
^so caustic bro.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
so we take an article on salon.com as the gospel and simply ignore thousands of years of economic evidence that points to manufacturing as the foundation of a good economy?
we need manufacturing to boost the WORKING class, which in turn helps boost the MIDDLE class. if you have more people spending money in an economy thats a good thing. more people with more money in their pockets is a good thing.
there are over 300 million people in this country, do you really think all these people can get high education/high training jobs? do enough people have adequate access to the resources to even acquire higher education and high skill jobs? not in this elitist country, not by a long shot.
we dont have to go to extremes. it doesnt have to be high skilled jobs OR manufacturing jobs. it has to be a balance, so we need both.
there's no logical argument for supporting all the outsourcing of manufacturing we do as a country. thats just poor economic fundamentals. think about the fact that every single one of those products we outsource could be made in an american factory, paying an american a solid wage to live on.
and no it wouldn't necessarily increase prices for consumers because we are already overpaying. we pay hundreds and even thousands of times more than what it costs to make these outsourced products. only difference is the corporations selling the product are the only ones eating off that price margin.
if it costs $1 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$99 approx.
but if it costs $14 to make a pair of nikes, and they sell for $100, then nike is +$86 approx. it's obvious nike has a smaller payout if they have to pay an american worker a union wage to make the sneaker instead of a 13-year old cambodian girl. but either way the product is still $100 for the consumer.
if the price goes higher than the consumer is willing to pay then people wont buy it, then the price falls naturally. if the consumer is willing to buy then so be it, its a win-win, because if people still buy the sneaker at $115 the economy benefits, and if the producer has to drop the price and sell at $100 the economy benefits. the only one winning in the current arrangement is the corporation.
and then you have our government, a third of which is getting paid off by the corporations, another third being completely incompetent, and the final third having no courage. a complete embarrassment.
Lol...what do you mean "we take an article from salon.com as gospel" like this is some huge revelation? All the article did was point out shyt that anyone paying attention already knows.