No hate, but how does LeBron (27.4 career PPG) have way more points than Melo (25.2)

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Not when people try to put him in the conversation with GOATs
i have never seen anybody try to compare him to the GOATS, but whatever bro.

The ONLY people that compare MELO to nikkas like Bron, do just that so they can shyt on MELO. Fans of Carmelo (like myself) understand that he is great, but not on the same level as Bron or Kobe ect.)
 

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Despite all that incredible offensive arsenal, he's never avg'ed 30ppg in a season :mjlol:. Prime Melo with a horrible Knicks team with JR Smith as the second option couldn't average 30 points for 1 season? :ohhh:. Sounds like Melo is good at a lot of things but he's not great at one particular thing. As for your point about Lebron having a higher usage rate, that's incorrect. Melo has a higher rate of using possessions for less points and assists with a worse efficiency. Below is a list of their usage rates for their career and Melo used the ball more on possessions but he just turns it over or takes more FGA :russ:

Melo

2003/2004 - 28.5
2004/2005 - 29.2
2005/2006 - 32.0
2006/2007 - 33.4
2007/2008 - 30.2
2008/2009 - 31.5
2009/2010 - 33.4
2010/2011 - 32.0
2011/2012 - 31.8
2012/2013 - 35.6
2013/2014 - 32.4
2014/2015 - 32.3

Career- 31.8


Bron

2003/2004 - 28.2
2004/2005 - 29.7
2005/2006 - 33.6
2006/2007 - 31.0
2007/2008 - 33.5
2008/2009 - 33.8
2009/2010 - 33.5
2010/2011 - 31.5
2011/2012 - 32.0
2012/2013 - 30.2
2013/2014 - 31.0
2014/2015 - 32.9

Career 31.7


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

I keep seeing people say that Lebron only averages 27ppg with 7apg for his career because he handles the ball all the time. Well Melo is the best example to disprove that because he's a hall of fame level player that has the same usage rate but nets lower points and assists.

False. Usage is the wrong stat. Usage is supposed to tell you how many plays (on offense) a player is involved in. It's a combination of field goals attempted, free throws attempted, assists, and turnovers. The point of tracking usage is to see how important a player is to the offense. Are they making things happen or just hanging around?


If you check 'Time Of Possession in Minutes', aka how many minutes a person possesses the ball, you primarily see pg's because they always have the ball.'Melo is nowhere near the top of the list in that category. Guess who is? Shown here → http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TOP&dir=1 :francis: Moreover, Lj averages more field goal attempts for his career than 'Melo (19.8 to 'Melo's 19.7). Learn how to troll without lying. :mjlol: Wow, Lj averaged 30ppg and 31.4ppg once each. :gladbron:That means he only reached that mark twice in his career. Of course 'Melo could do the same........on 23+ shots, like Lj took. :mjlol:

When Lj's not on his super-team with Wade and Bosh, he can't even shoot 50% and he's a slasher. That's pathetic. He should be able shoot way above that without help. He can't even shoot 50% with Love and Kyrie.

'Melo is great at scoring. He's efficient, can score in a variety of ways (Lj can only score in one way), and can score a lot of points.

'Melo does not turn the ball over. He averages 2.8tpg for his career and 2.2 this season. Learn how to troll without lying. :mjlol: Lj is an atrocious ball-handler. He averages 3.4tpg for his career and 3.5 this season. :scust:


Learn how to cape without lying and using the wrong stats, breh. :francis:
 
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touches per minute would be dumb since the unit of measure in basketball is possessions - the thing usage rate measures.
 

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LeBron didn't settle on anything. He wanted to be a good rebounder, he wanted to be a good playmaker, and he wanted to be a good scorer. Carmello was happy being a scorer.

'Melo has more offensive rebounds than KD and Lj combined. Where does 'Melo rank among forwards in assists. Moreover, 'Melo doesn't control the ball. His pg's do. Lj just needs the ball in his hands all the time. He tried to blame Wade's good play for him playing like trash because he couldn't have the ball as much.

The biggest factor in James' lack of rhythm is the recent play of Wade, who is averaging 20.8 points, five assists and four rebounds the last five games. After being in and out of the lineup most of the season, Wade is apparently healthy enough to avoid missing games for "maintenance" reasons.

James was asked to carry the load with Wade sidelined, so he is adjusting to once again having his sidekick playing at peak level.

"He's played so well of late," James said. "He's been handling the ball a lot as of late. I've kind of gotten out of rhythm. I've got to figure it out."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...james-heat-coach-erik-spoelstra-brooklyn-nets
 

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LOL@yall going above and beyond to explain something simple. 2PPG is a lot over a career. If two guys play 1,000 each and one averages 4 and the other 2. The one guy has 2000 more points. It doesn't matter if he shoots 2-22 every night and the other guy made every shot he took.
 

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Melo like Kobe tend to take bad shots while Lebron doesn't

False. He attempts turn-around fade-aways and shots on 1 foot. :stopitslime:What was that shot he took to end the 1st quarter against Houston last season? 3's are the least efficient shots (that's why their worth the most points) but he takes them, doesn't he (and doesn't shoot them well)? He takes more 3's than he does mid-range jumpers. He doesn't attempt difficult shots as much as elite shooters because he can't make them with any kind of consistency. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, 'Melo, Pierce etc all those shots consistently and Lj can't. Unlike Kobe, Lj can't make shots with a hand in his face or on 1 foot consistently like elite shooters. He needs to be wide open”.

Kobe and 'Melo have worked on their shooting so much that they don't need to be big and fast to be effective. They can shoot from the perimeter with good defenders draped all over them with consistency. If Lj had to do that, he wouldn't score. Kobe shoots on 1 foot, fading away over double-teams and makes them with consistency. Last year, I watched that Lakers/Denver WCF series and just about every shot Kobe took was turn-around fade-aways on one 1 foot and other tough shots like it. He still shot 48% from the field and 62.7% True Shooting, which is just :ohlawd:.

He shoots 45% from the field and 55% True Shooting for his career with few easy baskets. 'Melo's numbers are similar. The season before last, 'Melo shot 56.9% on 65 turn-around fade-aways.
Dylan observed...

Yes, the shot appears terrible. But Anthony is an unbelievable player, so it's no surprise that one of the most difficult shots in the game actually produces quality results for him.

He shot 64.7% on his quick spin baseline from the post, 63.6% on his one-dribble baseline, quick spin middle, etc. You can read Dylan's article on this here. He's efficient on fade-aways over double-teams and other tough shots like it. That's why I always expect them to go in.
 

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touches per minute would be dumb since the unit of measure in basketball is possessions - the thing usage rate measures.

False. Usage is supposed to tell you how many plays (on offense) a player is involved in. It's a combination of field goals attempted, free throws attempted, assists, and turnovers. The point of tracking usage is to see how important a player is to the offense. Are they making things happen or just hanging around?

Touches are how many times a player touches the ball. Time of possession is how long the ball stays in their hands.

If you check 'Time Of Possession in Minutes', aka how many minutes a person possesses the ball, you primarily see pg's because they always have the ball. I meant aka possessions in minutes. 'Melo is nowhere near the top of the list. Lj is. Shown here → http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TOP&dir=1
 
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It took Dominique Wilkins years to get into the HOF.....and he was 2x the player Carmelo is:comeon:


Allen Iverson's career > Carmelo Anthony's career....AI is still waiting.


Carmelo is not a HOF lock just because he scored some points. Is he on the bubble? Yes. For you to just proclaim him a HOFer like it's already a given is wild.

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Wilkins, 45, who was elected in his second year of eligibility, is the NBA's ninth all-time scorer with 26,668 points and his 24.8 career scoring average is 11th on the all-time charts
 

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Show me all the slashers who have consistently scored around the clip Lebron has and at Lebron's efficiency.

Lebron's effectiveness when slashing is more effective than Melo's entire game.

Amar'e
Nene
Barkley
Shaq
D12
Horford
Magic
Ibaka
David Lee
Yao Ming
Blake Griffin
Mutombo
Malone
Pau
Olajuwon
Brook Lopez
Marc Gasol
Duncan
Greg Monroe
Ewing
Paul Millsap
Al Jefferson
Jordan
KG

Are all more efficient than Lj is. There were more players I could name. As for your last sentence, that is the craziest thing I have ever heard and the biggest cape job I have ever witnessed.
 
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Amar'e
Nene
Barkley
Shaq
D12
Horford
Magic
Ibaka
David Lee
Yao Ming
Blake Griffin
Mutombo
Malone
Pau
Olajuwon
Brook Lopez
Marc Gasol
Duncan
Greg Monroe
Ewing
Paul Millsap
Al Jefferson
Jordan
KG

Are all more efficient than Lj is. There were more players I could name. As for your last sentence, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and the biggest cape job I have ever witnessed.
melo one of my favorite players in the nba, but are you retarted ?
 
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