No disrespect to AD but in todays nfl im not giving a mvp to a RB

[courtdog]

Unfortunately, 8-6 won't do it with these voters. Vikings need to finish 10-6 and make the playoffs for him to have an outside shot. Even then.. Peyton pretty much has it sealed as we speak.

Tell me, do you even know the criteria to win this award?
I'm 100% sure you don't. But please tell us. If you can't do that, make like Snaggle Puss

Giants D have given up no more than 20 points in every game of their superbowl runs.

Plus, while they didn't have a top rushing attack it was more than respectable.

And AD has been more important to the Vikings than Manning and Brady have been to the Broncos and Pats.

Whatchu talkin bout, w/out Manning last year the broncos won a playoff ga... uh, well. Well when Brady got injured the pats went 10 and... uh, well uh.. you see what had happened was...

As i said show me a rb built team that won a title

I dont know why its so hard for some of you to admit the qb is more important,well i have a suspicion why but it would be a controversial statement here

Nobody said the RB position was outright more important than the QB. But your a fukkin clown for suggesting a team with a dominate running game would lose to a team with just a great passing attack. The best "media" passers usually lose. Packers one it once ever with rodgers. Once ever with Favre. You'd think they was on Joe Montana/Steve Young status the way they get talked up
Brady is always mentioned as the guy, yet he ain't won one in a long minute
Brees pulled it off once, then lost to a 7-9 seattle team the next yr in the 1st rd You see how they don't have BUSH no more, and there whole offense isn't feared anymore. Name any other hyped up passing attack and I'll show you a team that usually doesn't win it. What up Phony Homo!!!

Its the most valuable player to a contending team award not the most impressive feat award

If the VIkings dont make the playoffs how the fukk you gonna give Petersen the mvp

In 1973 Sir O.J. Simpson rushed for 2,000yrds, won the NFL MVP and they finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs
Was there a rule change made, or are we done here /

Yeah...but that was a weird year...stats suggest they got really, really lucky to make the playoffs and win a lot of those games...that was likely a team that should've finished with 6 wins that caught lightening in a bottle...if you brought that same team back they probably miss the playoffs.

And thats the logic your using to downplay AD's accomplishments? Are you white sir? I could call it racist, but its more of a white pride thing. Cool
But let me point out a little factoid that obliterates your bullshyt theory
The Broncos play in the AFC West. Who else plays in that division?
Broncos would be LEADING the division right now if they was 6-8



Its pretty clear that if you think Peyton is MVP, you're probably not very bright

 

[Stone]

That's if he makes the playoffs, which I hope he does. Maybe that spot light of Ponder being a bum in the playoffs will get him some help. Regardless, it's up to individual voters and he won't win it unanimously, that's only happened once. If he wins it'll be a close vote.
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Don't they decide on that before the wild card rounds are played?

 

[No1]

Don't they decide on that before the wild card rounds are played?

I would hope, but he doesn't catch any heat for being garbage nationally. I need him to get that Rex Grossman heat.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

The Pats D being second in turnovers doesn't mean much and you're not aware of the facts if you think they get the Pats good position to score off those turnovers. I mean, that's just a bad argument. I get people want AD to win, but there's no need to use something that weak to make the point.

You just said, "Yes, the Pats D is atrocious but they get timely turnovers, therefore, the total defensive ranking doesn't matter."

Further, those turnovers are usually when the other team is already in scoring position, just like it's been the past 3 years. Let's not get out of hand. Despite the loss, which involved 5 turnovers and 2 INTs, neither of which were Brady's fault, dude nearly led a historic comeback against arguably the best defense in the NFL. The Pats have lost 4 games by a combined total of like 11 points. You cannot downplay someone having to lead nearly the highest scoring offense in NFL history to win games.

ANY turnover puts your team in good position to score. When you have one of the most efficient offenses in the league and you give them an extra possession to a.) have a chance to score or b.) just simply keep the ball away from the other offense, that is a huge success and a big reason why they are so good. You don't believe in that, then you need to go watch some tape of the Saints when they won the chip a few years ago.

If we wanna break it down in the most simple terms, fact is this...

AD - no QB, no skill position players around him, bad defense that doesn't force any turnovers.

Brady - great offensive line, great running game, great skill position players, bad defense but they force a lot of turnovers.

We already saw the Pats go 11-5 without Brady a few years ago...so it's hard for me to sit here and believe you pull him out of the equation there and it falls apart. You take AD out of Minnesota and does that team even win a game? Maybe one or two when Harvin was still healthy, but they'd be the worst team in the league.

 

[Bboystyle]

Bboystyle thank you for dumbing down the conversation. It's embarrassing. As far as saying AD, who happens to be my favorite player, is the MVP based on his value to his team then you're basically ignoring how MVP has been decided on numerous occasions over the past decade.

MVP has been the equivalent to the most outstanding player award. All of a sudden because people love AD you're trying to use this most important player to his team argument, when if that was the case, we would have to exchange some MVP trophies. If you want to say he's been the most outstanding player, he has. But don't bring in all that other shyt that people generally don't consider (unless it's Peyton Manning involved )

With all that said, MVP should probably be split between Peterson and Brady. It's like cats for got that the Broncos have a top 10 defense and the Pats have one of the worst in the NFL. Talib playing for two weeks really made people forget. But if AD does win it, no one can be mad, but you know that Manning mob will give it to him.

Again,i wouldnt even add Brady in the mix at all. This is just an example to why Brady shouldnt be co-mvp. Rodgers has a far worse line,an ok D,and a harder schedule and his numbers are on par or slightly better then Brady but Rodgers is not having an MVP season. None of the QB's are. AD should be running away with this award

 

[Bboystyle]

Nobody said the RB position was outright more important than the QB. But your a fukkin clown for suggesting a team with a dominate running game would lose to a team with just a great passing attack. The best "media" passers usually lose. Packers one it once ever with rodgers. Once ever with Favre. You'd think they was on Joe Montana/Steve Young status the way they get talked up

Breh stop taking shots. Nobody saying Favre on Montana or Young's level (btw Young only won it once so whats your point?)


And you saying "Rodgers won it once ever" Like he been playing for 10 years and about to retire


Rodgers on pace to fukk every QB record up

 

[Snitchin Splatter]

Having potential career ending procedure/ changing teams / going to a new city/system/coaching staff............and still being the best quarterback in the league on the hottest team in the L?

Peyton Manning will win MVP, accept it, get over it, the sooner the happier you will be with your lives.

 

[mastermind]

Having potential career ending procedure/ changing teams / going to a new city/system/coaching staff............and still being the best quarterback in the league on the hottest team in the L?

Peyton Manning will win MVP, accept it, get over it, the sooner the happier you will be with your lives.

debatable

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

debatable

He has not been the best QB and its not debatable.

 

[mayhem]

adrian peterson averages more yards per carry than ponder does yards per throwing attempt...think about that for a second

 

[Snitchin Splatter]

debatable

Not debatable actually.

What is debatable is, if given the circumstances coming into the season, if Peyton right now is having the best QB performance of all time

What he's doing has NEVER been done and most likely will never be done again. AD is just trying to match dikkersons pace

 

[holidayinn21]

The value of a QB is much higher than the value of a back though.

I realize Peterson is the outlier(and the MVP imo), but the value Brady and Manning have to their respective teams is greater than any running back.

Take Brady off the Pats and Manning off of the Broncos- they arent Super Bowl contenders. You need a good QB to be in that mix.

you're such a shill for the NFL.

you defend all things quarterback.

 

[brianwuzhere]

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[MN Fats]

Brady and Manning are two of the best players in the history of the sport at the most important position in the sport. They are by far the most important players on their teams. As is any elite QB.

This has nothing to do with the argument....of course they are the most important players on their team. Just the same as Peterson is the most important player on his team.
The Vikings are 8-6 and control their own playoff destiny.... without Peterson they are the worst team in NFL. Without Manning or Brady the Pats and Broncos are still playoff teams.

 

[Skilltastrophy]

And thats the logic your using to downplay AD's accomplishments? Are you white sir? I could call it racist, but its more of a white pride thing. Cool
But let me point out a little factoid that obliterates your bullshyt theory
The Broncos play in the AFC West. Who else plays in that division?
Broncos would be LEADING the division right now if they was 6-8



Its pretty clear that if you think Peyton is MVP, you're probably not very bright

please tell me where I'm downplaying AD's accomplishments?

I said I don't think it's clear cut...but I never said who I believe should win...and I do think Petersen should win...and yes I am white...who gives a fukk?...what's that have to do with anything?....oh that's right your a troll...so troll on son...troll on