Nintendo suing the creators of Switch Emulator Yuzu

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The Verge has reported that Discord has not just shut down the Discord Servers for Switch emulators Suyu and Sudachi, they have also disabled the Discord accounts for the lead developers of the emulators:

Discord has shut down the Discord servers for the Nintendo Switch emulators Suyu and Sudachi and has completely disabled their lead developers' accounts — and the company isn't answering our questions about why it went that far. Both Suyu and Sudachi began as forks of Yuzu, the emulator that Nintendo sued out of existence on March 4th.

"Discord responds to and complies with all legal and valid Digital Millennium Copyright Act requests. In this instance, there was also a court ordered injunction for the takedown of these materials, and we took action in a manner consistent with the court order," reads part of a statement from Discord director of product communications Kellyn Slone to The Verge.

The developers of Suyu and Sudachi only received vague messages about how they were sharing content that allegedly violates intellectual property rights, according to images shared with The Verge. Meanwhile, Discord tells us that it's following its normal process for DMCA takedown requests — but it's not at all clear there was a valid DMCA takedown request or that those communities were actually violating IP rights, and it's quite possible Discord isn't following its own policy by kicking them out.

Remember, Nintendo got Yuzu to settle rather than proving its case in court, and the settlement did not give Nintendo the rights to Yuzu's freely copyable GPL v3 code. Developers of Yuzu's forks also claimed they were changing the code further, among other practices, in an effort to avoid pissing Nintendo off. And that code wasn't hosted on Discord in any case.

But it's possible that people were sharing Nintendo's cryptographic keys, firmware, or even entire pirated games in these servers despite those commitments. At the end of the day, most people seeking out a Nintendo Switch emulator are looking to play Nintendo games on it. But with the servers gone, it's hard to prove either way.

Even if Suyu and Sudachi were infringing, Discord's policy does not suggest it would permaban, much less nuke entire servers, on the first offense. Discord did not answer questions about whether these users were repeat copyright infringers, had received any previous warnings, or were forwarded any takedown requests.

Sudachi developer Jarrod Norwell tells me it came out of the blue: "Their first email was that my account has broken the TOS, with no additional information." He claims Sudachi wasn't doing anything infringing. Later, he was told it vaguely had something to do with intellectual property but says Discord still hasn't given him any details.

DMCA takedown requests are traditionally about content, not people or groups of people, and Discord's policy is written to reflect that. A valid takedown request has to include a description of the content that's infringing and where to find it; a platform then takes down the content, and users can get it reinstated if they file a "counter-notice" that claims it wasn't actually infringing. At that point, Discord has done its job, and Nintendo can sue the developer directly if it wants by using the counter-notice to track them down.

But that doesn't seem to be what happened here. It looks like Discord simply de-platformed these emulators by nuking their communication channels.

t the end of the day, platforms like Discord have no obligation to host anything they don't want to host, as we discussed back when GitLab did something similar by deplatforming Suyu's code. And perhaps Discord did see evidence of software piracy in these Discords. That's not currently how it's justifying these channel wipes, though.
 

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Can't mess with current money I suppose. Nintendo and MS became Hammer Bros in this one.

Yes I'm still upset goofies like MVG were promoting the emulation on Xbox and nuking Retail in exchange for YT views. :francis:
 

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I like that they still try.

emulation and in return… pirating, is what leads to games feeling disposable and devalues the medium. Its What happened with music
Completely disagree, emulation is what keeps so many games alive and available to anyone with the knowhow of how to play them.

Not to mention is an entry point to the hobby for so many people of lower means in third World countries.

So many classics would had been forgotten to time if it wasn't for emulation.
 

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Completely disagree, emulation is what keeps so many games alive and available to anyone with the knowhow of how to play them.

Not to mention is an entry point to the hobby for so many people of lower means in third World countries.

So many classics would had been forgotten to time if it wasn't for emulation.

Its certainly a double edged sword

emulation does preserve games but its also killed a number of game consoles too
 

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"Piracy is a service problem." - Gabe Newell
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Its certainly a double edged sword

emulation does preserve games but its also killed a number of game consoles too
What consoles did emulation kill? No one stopped buying dreamcasts because someone could run a ROM on a pc or burn games on them. Same for the PS1, PS2, DS, or PSP which all sold millions despite massive piracy scenes. Switch Launched in 2017 and Yuzu first emulated games sometime in 2018-2019. its the currently the third highest selling console. Emulation is keeping games alive when they are abandoned. Without most libraries from companies would be locked and gone for good.


Saying piracy devalues games is just wrong. Look at music, piracy didn’t kill its value because the industry changed because of streaming and new ways for artists to earn money. The gaming industry has been the one devaluing games through its own bad habits. Yearly cash-grabs, shutting down servers, locking away old titles, canceling releases, firing dev teams, abandoning support of games after 6-12 months, and dropping unfinished products on players.
Plus, music companies actually keep their classics alive, but a lot of game companies just let their history disappear unless its a Remake.
 

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Completely disagree, emulation is what keeps so many games alive and available to anyone with the knowhow of how to play them.

Not to mention is an entry point to the hobby for so many people of lower means in third World countries.

So many classics would had been forgotten to time if it wasn't for emulation.
Plus, look at the Switch 2 & PS5. These are only backwards compatible with Switch 1 & PS4. Everything else playable on these two is basically emulation. Emulation is a core part of modern consoles.

Yuzu devs trying to make a profit is really where they fukked up. Emulation in and of itself is legal. They just gave Nintendo the ammunition they needed.
 

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Plus, look at the Switch 2 & PS5. These are only backwards compatible with Switch 1 & PS4. Everything else playable on these two is basically emulation. Emulation is a core part of modern consoles.

Yuzu devs trying to make a profit is really where they fukked up. Emulation in and of itself is legal. They just gave Nintendo the ammunition they needed.
Yep, that community flew too close to the sun.
 
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