Nina Turner eyes Marcia Fudge's Ohio U.S. House seat: Turner EATS BOWL OF SH!T to Brown

[Pressure]

Not really.... but she’s ok.

Her policies on “extending moritoriums” rather than full on forgiveness is definitely centrist right wing bullshyt. Same for her means tested college policies, but she’s stated she would vote for M4A if it came to the floor which is currently my number priority in terms of policies so I can live with that.

She’s definitely more Warren than she is full on progressive. I also naturally am never going to trust anyone who receives that kind of money from Israel, or PAC’s in general. So she’s gonna have to prove she’s even Warren level imo. Hopefully she turns out to be a great politician that actually wants to improve American lives

Warren isn't full on progressive?

Anyway, this is another dishonest framing. The results show this is what the people want. So holding progressives as the golden standard for what Americans want is inherently flawed.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Warren isn't full on progressive?

Anyway, this is another dishonest framing. The results show this is what the people want. So holding progressives as the golden standard for what Americans want is inherently flawed.

Americans want rent moratoriums over forgiveness? Yeah I’m not buying that, and no Warren isn’t a full on progressive she’s a centrist

Mind you that’s not a knock on Warren I actually like her. I wanted her as VP. Just because you’re a neoliberal doesn’t mean everyone slightly left of you is a progressive.

Warrens politics are 100% still right wing politics damn near anywhere else on the planet. She’s more of a true centrist then any of the other right wingers in the Democratic Party.

I really think a majority of you completely fail to grasp how right wing both parties in this country are

 

[Pressure]

Americans want rent moratoriums over forgiveness? Yeah I’m not buying that, and no Warren isn’t a full on progressive she’s a centrist

Mind you that’s not a knock on Warren I actually like her. I wanted her as VP. Just because you’re a neoliberal doesn’t mean everyone slightly left of you is a progressive.

Warrens politics are 100% still right wing politics damn near anywhere else on the planet. She’s more of a true centrist then any of the other right wingers in the Democratic Party.

I really think a majority of you completely fail to grasp how right wing both parties in this country are

I think you fail to grasp how the vast majority of Americans don't want the type of government you're after.

Your ad hominems aren't moving the needle either.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I think you fail to grasp how the vast majority of Americans don't want the type of government you're after.

Your ad hominems aren't moving the needle either.

Why are you moving the goalpost? Your argument was about whether or not brown and Warren are progressives and I laid out reasons against it, now the argument is “no one wants your government”?

Once again Americans like socialist policies when they’re polled without any media spin or propaganda so the narrative that Americans don’t want the government I want simply isn’t true

Black people pushing for America to keep the status quo confuses the absolute shyt out of me

 

[Buck Seventy]

This conversation isn't about Turner, as Sedar pointed out we need to slowly take over the party on progressive at a time. They'll have other chances to do this.

Republicans are not status quo they push things further right with a slow creep to pure fascism. The Democrats are merely stop gap but don't move anything back in the other direction, we're further right then we've ever been at any point in my life on this planet because Democrats are fukking cowards.

Part in bold is you telling on yourself. Obama's tenure as president resulted in destruction of black wealth and you can trace that back to his awful policies around the 2008 economic crisis in which the recovery and policies heavily favored businesses and the common man was told go fukk himself.

My life improved under Obama, Trump and Biden but many other lives especially black lives did not. I can speak from a place of privilege so It's my job to recognize that and continue to push for better even it hurts me in the long run.

Democrats don't want to help regular people and until they do me and many other progressives will only support progressives. Since the only thing that matters is your material improvement I guess I can see why you'd keep voting Democrat.

Yeah, the Republicans have continually veered further right since Nixon. Some Democrats used to vote for Moderate Republicans like Arnold and Rudy because Arnold and Rudy didn't target the feminists and the LBGTQ gang. That's why many of them were suckers for Trump in 2016 because they he was going to liberal on social issues while being center to far right on economic issues.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

I want the party to move to the left when and where it's realistic.

The Democrats have moved this country towards the left. It wasn't Republican populism.

I lost a lot 2008 and still deal with the ramifications to this day. I don't blame Obama or Democrats. I am also thankful for the boom years afterwards which gave me an opportunity to earn.

Under Obama the ACA and Fair Sentencing Act improved countless millions of lives and mine is one of them. I could post lists of policy changes and laws that were great improvements that moved this country left.

Maybe you're too privileged to recognize what was gained. It sure sounds like your heart is in the right place.

I'm a blue collar black small business owner, I live in Brooklyn, New York and I post on the coli . com so that's where I'm coming from

Hitting the nail on the head.

Not really.... but she’s ok.

Her policies on “extending moritoriums” rather than full on forgiveness is definitely centrist right wing bullshyt. Same for her means tested college policies, but she’s stated she would vote for M4A if it came to the floor which is currently my number priority in terms of policies so I can live with that.

She’s definitely more Warren than she is full on progressive. I also naturally am never going to trust anyone who receives that kind of money from Israel, or PAC’s in general. So she’s gonna have to prove she’s even Warren level imo. Hopefully she turns out to be a great politician that actually wants to improve American lives

What is the distinction here? Where does Warren fall short?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Hitting the nail on the head.



What is the distinction here? Where does Warren fall short?

Yes someone who's not sure if he'll be able to afford a home in today's market is "too privileged " you guys are ridiculous and if you think our politics are more left than they've ever been you're also completely insane. I literally consider my self privileged because I can feed myself, own a car and can pay rent. Majority of the country can't say that. By any measure in our modern day politics we've never been more of a right wing government. The last president literally tried to stage fascist take over of the country... What world do you guys live in?

Warren's policies would be seen as right wing in a bunch of other major countries all over the world. She's not a progressive by any measure, being left of hard right isn't being progressive. I think the problem is some of you actually believe the Democrats are a left wing party, and it's just flat out wrong. It's why we're in the situation we are now, no one has bothered to educate themselves on political theory at all. The democrats are right wing party, they're just not a fascist white nationalist party like the Republicans so somehow that makes them left wing?????????

Also of course a small business owner would be in favor of a status quo which crushes a majority of the people in this country. I'm taking anything he posts with a grain of salt cause that was his tell on why he thinks everything is great. Hence why I just didn't bother responding at all.

 

[satam55]

Yeesh....if the average Democrat voter thinks like how Briahna Joy Gray described them in this interview, progressives are fucced. Kyle Kulinski & others are never gonna get their pipedream, a left-wing version of the Tea Party movement, if average Dems love the establishment so much.

The entire project of theirs isn’t compatible with electoral politics in the Dem party especially when there’s a Dem POTUS who’s got good approval ratings.

Left wing tea party doesn’t work. The Squad isn’t doing that. Hell, Cori Bush was on Clyburn’s podcast some months ago!

It is what it is. Local state and county politics is where the energy has to go. You may find lightning in some congressional primaries and you may even get a Senate candidate or two in 2022 running progressive but that’s about it.

Look like CNN did an article on this exact subject:

 

[satam55]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Americans want rent moratoriums over forgiveness? Yeah I’m not buying that, and no Warren isn’t a full on progressive she’s a centrist

Mind you that’s not a knock on Warren I actually like her. I wanted her as VP. Just because you’re a neoliberal doesn’t mean everyone slightly left of you is a progressive.

Warrens politics are 100% still right wing politics damn near anywhere else on the planet. She’s more of a true centrist then any of the other right wingers in the Democratic Party.

I really think a majority of you completely fail to grasp how right wing both parties in this country are

If Elizabeth Warren is a centrist, you're a fukking idiot.

Thats essentially room to dismiss anything you have to say.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Warren's policies would be seen as right wing in a bunch of other major countries all over the world. She's not a progressive by any measure, being left of hard right isn't being progressive. I think the problem is some of you actually believe the Democrats are a left wing party, and it's just flat out wrong. It's why we're in the situation we are now, no one has bothered to educate themselves on political theory at all. The democrats are right wing party, they're just not a fascist white nationalist party like the Republicans so somehow that makes them left wing?????????

name ONE country where Elizabeth Warren is a right winger.

Cut the cute shyt out dumbass.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Yes someone who's not sure if he'll be able to afford a home in today's market is "too privileged " you guys are ridiculous and if you think our politics are more left than they've ever been you're also completely insane. I literally consider my self privileged because I can feed myself, own a car and can pay rent. Majority of the country can't say that. By any measure in our modern day politics we've never been more of a right wing government. The last president literally tried to stage fascist take over of the country... What world do you guys live in?

Warren's policies would be seen as right wing in a bunch of other major countries all over the world. She's not a progressive by any measure, being left of hard right isn't being progressive. I think the problem is some of you actually believe the Democrats are a left wing party, and it's just flat out wrong. It's why we're in the situation we are now, no one has bothered to educate themselves on political theory at all. The democrats are right wing party, they're just not a fascist white nationalist party like the Republicans so somehow that makes them left wing?????????

Also of course a small business owner would be in favor of a status quo which crushes a majority of the people in this country. I'm taking anything he posts with a grain of salt cause that was his tell on why he thinks everything is great. Hence why I just didn't bother responding at all.

All I asked was why you don't consider Warren progressive.

I also don't understand the utility of comparing US politics w/ other countries. Politics is fundamentally shaped by things like demographics, history, socio/economic context, culture etc etc. The US isn't ________ and it never will be.

You also make a lot of assumptions about what others supposedly believe. Most of the ppl in here have generally the same policy preferences - just different ideas on the path.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

All I asked was why you don't consider Warren progressive.

I also don't understand the utility of comparing US politics w/ other countries. Politics is fundamentally shaped by things like demographics, history, socio/economic context, culture etc etc. The US isn't ________ and it never will be.

You also make a lot of assumptions about what others supposedly believe. Most of the ppl in here have generally the same policy preferences - just different ideas on the path.

We live in a global economy, in a global society. Many of the decisions made here by our politicians will have global repercussions. Viewing politics from the insane "American left right scale" doesn't make any sense because we live in a globally connected society. It's also built completely on propaganda and isn't actually a good representation at all of political theory. We have to view politics globally because well unless you plan on disconnecting us from the world it wouldn't make sense not to.

It's how we know there are better ways to do things because other countries have given us the blueprint to do so. We of course refuse to use them because business owners, corporations and Billionaires would rather people die in poverty than pay higher taxes. Also RACISM. The only reason people say things like the bold is because propaganda has been fed to us since essentially birth that "the way our government runs is perfect and that nothing compares to it" which is of course bullshyt, and just another way of our elites saying "Don't look over there at those people being taken care of by their government that's trash we're best". Thanks Reagan and the rest of you blood sucking right wing c*nts for that shyt. Nationalism is fukking cancer.

The biggest issue and hurdle progressives have run into is seemingly being given this window each time someone runs to undo years propaganda that people have been fed about progressive policies essentially since birth. You can even see it here where people fall into dumb traps about progressive policies they clearly have done no research on other than the bullshyt that was put out decades ago by right wing psychos from the Chicago School of Economics. It's a big reason why both parties are so insanely far to the right. We have no center or center left representation here and that's why things keep getting worse and nothing is getting better. One party is status quo right wing forever the other part is Fascism white supremacy. None of you seem to understand how dire of a situation we are in for some strange reason despite following this stuff, although the democrats either don't understand or don't care either so if that's your people I get why you'd react the same way.

The people here absolutely do not have the same policy preference an I'm not even remotely sure what gave you that idea.

The very idea that we can't do center left things is ridiculous because we literally already have in our history. Like that happened ask the Boomers and GXer's. Propaganda has made people believe it can never happen again. It's bullshyt and both parties play a role in ensuring it never does happen.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

We live in a global economy, in a global society. Many of the decisions made here by our politicians will have global repercussions. Viewing politics from the insane "American left right scale" doesn't make any sense because we live in a globally connected society. It's also built completely on propaganda and isn't actually a good representation at all of political theory. We have to view politics globally because well unless you plan on disconnecting us from the world it wouldn't make sense not to.

It's how we know there are better ways to do things because other countries have given us the blueprint to do so. We of course refuse to use them because business owners, corporations and Billionaires would rather people die in poverty than pay higher taxes. Also RACISM. The only reason people say things like the bold is because propaganda has been fed to us since essentially birth that "the way our government runs is perfect and that nothing compares to it" which is of course bullshyt, and just another way of our elites saying "Don't look over there at those people being taken care of by their government that's trash we're best". Thanks Reagan and the rest of you blood sucking right wing c*nts for that shyt. Nationalism is fukking cancer.

The biggest issue and hurdle progressives have run into is seemingly being given this window each time someone runs to undo years propaganda that people have been fed about progressive policies essentially since birth. You can even see it here where people fall into dumb traps about progressive policies they clearly have done no research on other than the bullshyt that was put out decades ago by right wing psychos from the Chicago School of Economics. It's a big reason why both parties are so insanely far to the right. We have no center or center left representation here and that's why things keep getting worse and nothing is getting better. One party is status quo right wing forever the other part is Fascism white supremacy. None of you seem to understand how dire of a situation we are in for some strange reason despite following this stuff, although the democrats either don't understand or don't care either so if that's your people I get why you'd react the same way.

The people here absolutely do not have the same policy preference an I'm not even remotely sure what gave you that idea.

The very idea that we can't do center left things is ridiculous because we literally already have in our history. Like that happened ask the Boomers and GXer's. Propaganda has made people believe it can never happen again. It's bullshyt and both parties play a role in ensuring it never does happen.

Are you going to tell me why you don't think Warren is a progressive?

95% of what you just wrote boils back down to the issue I mentioned above of competing/conflicting paths. But you guys want to make it more complicated, mostly bc that way you can't be pinned down to having to actually explain the nuts and bolts.