Nikki Giovanni and James Baldwin conversation

[Wargames]

@3Rivers

James Baldwin is describing the soul of working-class Black Men today and this was recorded in the 70's. shyt aint change since the 60's/70's but the calender date


It is tough being a black man and we take out our frustration on those closest to us. Society instills expectations of what being a man is into us at the same time denying us the ability to live up to those expectations. It causes a frustration of the soul, a frustration that is manufactured but all the same real. Giovanni says why live like that and then Baldwin sort of lays the black man's burden out there for all to see.

Its just a conversation of gem after gem of wisdom and reality that hasn't changed.

The line from Baldwin about afrocentric movements being romanticized (which was a quick digression from the main conversation)but what surviving from those movements after the romance has ended being the most important part is one of the most realistic assessments of the black power movement ever and this was just when it was beginning.



Then he says this

BALDWIN: It’s very hard to recognize that the standards which have almost killed you are really mercantile standards. They’re based on cotton; they’re based on oil; they’re based on peanuts; they’re based on profits.

GIOVANNI: To this day.

BALDWIN: To this hour.

This is one of the most enlightened things I've seen in years.:obsuccess:

 

[Geek Nasty]

There was something sexy as helll about her making that pitch. Like she was talking dirty to me

 

[Black Magisterialness]

There was something sexy as helll about her making that pitch. Like she was talking dirty to me

An intelligent woman is sexy to me. Almost nothing sexier. I'm about to watch this in full in the morning.

My God how we need black thought leaders..and kill this "woke" shyt.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

James Baldwin is describing the soul of working-class Black Men today and this was recorded in the 70's. shyt aint change since the 60's/70's but the calender date


It is tough being a black man and we take out our frustration on those closest to us. Society instills expectations of what being a man is into us at the same time denying us the ability to live up to those expectations. It causes a frustration of the soul, a frustration that is manufactured but all the same real. Giovanni says why live like that and then Baldwin sort of lays the black man's burden out there for all to see.

Its just a conversation of gem after gem of wisdom and reality that hasn't changed.

The line from Baldwin about afrocentric movements being romanticized (which was a quick digression from the main conversation)but what surviving from those movements after the romance has ended being the most important part is one of the most realistic assessments of the black power movement ever and this was just when it was beginning.



Then he says this



This is one of the most enlightened things I've seen in years.:obsuccess:

hey brother I'm having trouble understanding the Baldwin quote can you elaborate and break it down for me?

 

[blaccbeard]

That was beautifully put the way she broke that down. I never thought of it like that, the way she said "fake it with me"

 

[Monoblock]

That was beautifully put the way she broke that down. I never thought of it like that, the way she said "fake it with me"

Yea that legit made me fall back in my chair. But I guess to retort its hard to fake it when you get home and take off the mask/disguise. You been wearing it all day eating shyt and its not fair but when you been getting shyt on all day some men just unload in fukked up ways hell women too. It aint right but the psychology of being black and trying to navigate in this country (especially corporate America) dealing with everyday shyt is mentally draining and at times tortuous. fukks up the entire black family dynamic to the point where a lot of us think we're not even compatible anymore.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

An intelligent woman is sexy to me. Almost nothing sexier. I'm about to watch this in full in the morning.

My God how we need black thought leaders..and kill this "woke" shyt.

That was beautifully put the way she broke that down. I never thought of it like that, the way she said "fake it with me"

Yea that legit made me fall back in my chair. But I guess to retort its hard to fake it when you get home and take off the mask/disguise. You been wearing it all day eating shyt and its not fair but when you been getting shyt on all day some men just unload in fukked up ways hell women too. It aint right but the psychology of being black and trying to navigate in this country (especially corporate America) dealing with everyday shyt is mentally draining and at times tortuous. fukks up the entire black family dynamic to the point where a lot of us think we're not even compatible anymore.

 

[Wargames]

hey brother I'm having trouble understanding the Baldwin quote can you elaborate and break it down for me?

BALDWIN: It’s very hard to recognize that the standards which have almost killed you are really mercantile standards. They’re based on cotton; they’re based on oil; they’re based on peanuts; they’re based on profits.

GIOVANNI: To this day.

BALDWIN: To this hour.

Its another way of saying the system, Slaves were shipped for rum, used as labor for cotton, their descendants were made sharecroppers who died broke working to grow crops like peanuts and their descendants are in turn asked to go to war and die on foreign soil for oil. All for profits.

We see none of that profit but the quest to gain profit in those industries define our history and our existence now. Now we and our families are criminalized (what's new) so we can be sent to prisons in isolated towns where the white people there make there living as correction officers/overseers and that profit circulates to stock owners in private prisons industrial complex and companies that are vendors to them. War's happen as much for the industry of making weapons to kill as they are for resources like oil. Even the opioid epidemic is an extension of big pharma making profits by making people addicted, so it is not just a black person thing, if necessary they'll kill white people for profit as well.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

An intelligent woman is sexy to me. Almost nothing sexier. I'm about to watch this in full in the morning.

My God how we need black thought leaders..and kill this "woke" shyt.

I think the part of the problem is this urge to continue embracing shyt like "n***a" yet turning terms like "woke" and "hotep" into pejoratives to be despised. Plus the urge to be "sophisticated ratchet". We're not comfortable with these kind of personalities anymore if their isn't an "edge" to it.

 

[Francium]

This is just a peak of the rich, fruitful conversations which happened constantly with the individuals below:

Paul Robeson, Harry Belafonte, Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Ruby Dee, Ossie Davis, Nikki G, Maya Ang, Dorothy Dandridge, Sidney P, Lena Horne, Lorraine Hansberry.

The 20th Century really gave us one of the best collection of entertainers/writers with a self of sense and the direction the community needed to head in. Not only that, they were all in the same room together, unified, often crossing paths. Even with Sammy Davis' acts of submission to white supremacy, they kept him in the loop and made sure he did his part in helping the movements.

I'm missing some, but we need to ensure that we preserve the history of this group of people. They had some of the largest roles, known and unknown , in shaping our history.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

This is just a peak of the rich, fruitful conversations which happened constantly with the individuals below:

Paul Robeson, Harry Belafonte, Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Ruby Dee, Ossie Davis, Nikki G, Maya Ang, Dorothy Dandridge, Sidney P, Lena Horne, Lorraine Hansberry.

The 20th Century really gave us one of the best collection of entertainers/writers with a self of sense and the direction the community needed to head in. Not only that, they were all in the same room together, unified, often crossing paths. Even with Sammy Davis' acts of submission to white supremacy, they kept him in the loop and made sure he did his part in helping the movements.

I'm missing some, but we need to ensure that we preserve the history of this group of people. They had some of the largest roles, known and unknown , in shaping our history.

This why the "canceled" culture is bogus.

 

[Cadillac]

Amazing video

 

[Ricky Dunigan]

Only poet who actually "spoke" to me... Ms. G is wonderful

 

[Coli Hoecomb]

Subs for later

 

[thewarrior05]

This is just a peak of the rich, fruitful conversations which happened constantly with the individuals below:

Paul Robeson, Harry Belafonte, Richard Wright, James Baldwin, Ruby Dee, Ossie Davis, Nikki G, Maya Ang, Dorothy Dandridge, Sidney P, Lena Horne, Lorraine Hansberry.

The 20th Century really gave us one of the best collection of entertainers/writers with a self of sense and the direction the community needed to head in. Not only that, they were all in the same room together, unified, often crossing paths. Even with Sammy Davis' acts of submission to white supremacy, they kept him in the loop and made sure he did his part in helping the movements.

I'm missing some, but we need to ensure that we preserve the history of this group of people. They had some of the largest roles, known and unknown , in shaping our history.

These are the people we should inspire to be, not the fake heroes of today