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Kd won mvp and didn't even break a sweat:scust:

Lebron took it on himself to get in better shape this season just not to guard kd in the finals again to get the same result again:mjlit:That's one insane eternally scared man:picard:

He just passes the buck to his teammates

Here's k love after game one of the regular season looking ten years younger with all black hair:mjlit:



KD's own coach knows that he's not on Lebron's level. Keep trolling like a child tho.
 

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All I know is in their careers Kobe and Lebron faced each other like 21 times......

And Kobe is only won 5 games

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So he's not to blame?
He’s no more to blame than Jordan was for losing to the Celtics or Pistons.

He deserved the blame vs the Mavericks. That was a horrible series for him.

I don’t see the logic behind blaming the guys who perform but lose because the supporting cast isn’t up to par.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? If Barry Bonds goes 5-5 with 3 homers and the Giants lose 5-3, would you insist on blaming Bonds for the loss? Of course not. Because you recognize that it takes a team effort to win. It’s literally no different in basketball or football or any team sport. But because of the nature of basketball where one player has arguably a more direct impact (for no other reason, really, than there are less players) people act like the premise is less true in basketball.

It isn’t.

You can have an Formula 1 engine but you aren’t winning shyt if you’ve got 3 bad tires. But some of you would blame the engine.
 

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He’s no more to blame than Jordan was for losing to the Celtics or Pistons.

He deserved the blame vs the Mavericks. That was a horrible series for him.

I don’t see the logic behind blaming the guys who perform but lose because the supporting cast isn’t up to par.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? If Barry Bonds goes 5-5 with 3 homers and the Giants lose 5-3, would you insist on blaming Bonds for the loss? Of course not. Because you recognize that it takes a team effort to win. It’s literally no different in basketball or football or any team sport. But because of the nature of basketball where one player has arguably a more direct impact (for no other reason, really, than there are less players) people act like the premise is less true in basketball.

It isn’t.

You can have an Formula 1 engine but you aren’t winning shyt if you’ve got 3 bad tires. But some of you would blame the engine.

thats not the same thing....FOH....basketball star has a lot more control over his team than a fukking baseball player who has to wait his turn to impact the game on offense.....Pretend like Barry Bonds has the same control over a game than Bron or Tom Brady brehs :camby:
 

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He’s no more to blame than Jordan was for losing to the Celtics or Pistons.

He deserved the blame vs the Mavericks. That was a horrible series for him.

I don’t see the logic behind blaming the guys who perform but lose because the supporting cast isn’t up to par.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? If Barry Bonds goes 5-5 with 3 homers and the Giants lose 5-3, would you insist on blaming Bonds for the loss? Of course not. Because you recognize that it takes a team effort to win. It’s literally no different in basketball or football or any team sport. But because of the nature of basketball where one player has arguably a more direct impact (for no other reason, really, than there are less players) people act like the premise is less true in basketball.

It isn’t.

You can have an Formula 1 engine but you aren’t winning shyt if you’ve got 3 bad tires. But some of you would blame the engine.

Oh... I didn't ask for all of that. Just wanted to know if he was to blame
 

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thats not the same thing....FOH....basketball star has a lot more control over his team than a fukking baseball player who has to wait his turn to impact the game on offense.....Pretend like Barry Bonds has the same control over a game than Bron or Tom Brady brehs :camby:
And you missed the point.
While the degrees may very well be different, the premise is the same.
Get a dictionary.
 

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Nick Wright is an obvious Lebron stan and he’s really pathetic.

But he doesn’t matter.

You can go to NBA.com, Baskeball-reference.com and many other sites and find the clear cut, unbiased truth of who is better.

This Kobe/Lebron debate has been decided years ago. It’s over.


Only on the coli does this stupid shyt persist because of a vocal cabal of clowns and a sole moderator who refuses to toss these tired ass debates in the bushes where they belong.


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Why Kobe Bryant is not a top-10 all-time player

Pelton: Kobe not a top-10 player of all time



Kevin Pelton analyzes Kobe Bryant's all-time #NBARank. Become an Insider today to read the full story

With Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant announcing his retirement from basketball at the end of the 2015-16 season, attention now turns to Bryant's legacy.

Just five months remain in Kobe's career, so this seems like a good time to ask about where he ranks among the all-time greats. In particular, is he one of the 10 best to play the game?

A close reading of the facts suggests the answer is no. As remarkable as his career has been, Bryant's résumé can't quite compare to that of the league's inner-circle Hall of Famers.

Win shares: Kobe ranks No. 15

Win shares, found at Basketball Reference, are our most complete historic NBA metric. They give us a way to compare players across NBA eras.

Although full box-score stats did not become available until 1977-78, when the league started tracking player turnovers, Basketball Reference estimates turnovers and other stats that were not recorded at the time (including steals and blocks before 1973-74) to come up with approximations for player value throughout league history.

Bryant is currently 15th among NBA players in career win shares (172.5), with an outside chance of surpassing Reggie Miller (174.4) by the end of the season, if he improves his level of play. Because he has started so poorly, Bryant has actually lost 0.6 win shares from his career total so far this season.

Expected championships added: Kobe ranks No. 20

As Miller's high ranking suggests, the problem with using win shares as a historic measuring stick is they tend to reward longevity over quality of play. To better reflect the impact players had on their teams, I've developed a model that relates their win shares each season to a typical team's chances of winning a championship.

This model shows value is exponential rather than linear. For instance, a season with 15 win shares (such as Bryant's 2005-06 campaign) is nearly three times as valuable as one with 10 win shares (such as his 2010-11).

A preliminary version of this model shows Bryant 20th all time in expected championships added (ECA), just behind Larry Bird and ahead of the late Moses Malone.

Why Kobe doesn't rate as well by advanced stats

Bryant comes out slightly worse by this method because of his lack of truly elite statistical seasons. Bryant's best season in terms of win shares, 2005-06, ranks 102nd in NBA history behind, for example, Stephen Curry's 2014-15 campaign.

That's fairly consistent with what other advanced metrics indicate. Bryant's 2005-06 performance did rank 56th all-time in PER, but his best season by my wins above replacement player statistic (2002-03, with 20.4 WAR) ranks 72nd, dating back to 1977-78.

ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) is even harsher. Because of the need for detailed play-by-play data, RPM is available only since 2000-01, but in that span, Bryant's best rating (plus-6.3 points per 100 possessions in 2007-08) ranks 80th in that span.

These all-in-one metrics are universally picking up that by the standards of all-time great scorers, Bryant was relatively inefficient. Bryant's best season in terms of true shooting percentage (.580 in 2006-07) would rank seventh in Michael Jordan's career, seventh in LeBron James' and behind five of Kevin Durant's seven full seasons.

Since Bryant wasn't an exceptional rebounder or distributor and has never rated especially well statistically as a defender, he would need to be better than his peers as a scorer to provide more value than they did. That was only the case in Bryant's very best seasons.


The verdict

Naturally, the arguments in favor of Bryant's greatness are likely to revolve around the five championships the Lakers won during his career. While it's a bad idea to credit team success to one individual, it is true that Bryant's postseason performance is a point in his favor.

He ranks eighth in career playoff win shares. Factoring in playoff value surely lifts Bryant's all-time rank from 20th, but it's harder to make the case that he should jump all the way into the top 10.

It's not just advanced statistics that are down on Bryant's best seasons. He won only one MVP award, which puts him behind the 12 players (including former Lakers teammate Steve Nash) who won the league's highest honor multiple times.

Although there's a case to be made that Bryant should have won in 2005-06, when he set an NBA record for usage rate and carried a limited Lakers team to the playoffs, Bryant benefited from something of a "lifetime achievement" factor in 2007-08, when he beat Kevin Garnett and Chris Paul for the award.

In terms of the share of MVP votes accumulated over the course of his career, Bryant ranks 11th.

Considering all those factors, I'd ultimately rank Bryant somewhere around the 15th-best player in NBA history. You might move him a few spots in either direction, depending how you value playoff performance versus regular-season success, peak value versus longevity and the league's quality of play over time.

But when it comes to cracking the 10 best NBA players ever, Bryant didn't quite accomplish enough in a career that now has a finish line in sight.

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DIRK NOWITZKI - Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'

DWYANE WADE - Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'

KEVIN DURANT - Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'

MICHAEL JORDAN - Michael Jordan Would Pick Kobe Bryant Over LeBron James | SLAMonline

KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar takes sides in Kobe vs LeBron debate

PAUL PIERCE - Paul Pierce Puts Kobe Ahead of Lebron

CHARLES BARKLEY - http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/...bron-james-higher-than-kobe-bryant-tim-duncan


SHAQUILLE O'NEAL - Shaquille O'Neal says he'd take Kobe Bryant in his prime over LeBron

STEPHEN JACKSON - Stephen Jackson: I would take Kobe Bryant over LeBron James | UNDISPUTED | FOX Sports

CHRIS WEBBER - Is Chris Webber Team Kobe or Team LeBron?

DENNIS RODMAN - Dennis Rodman On Judge Pirro Says Kobe Is Better Than Lebron

DAMIAN LILLARD - Damian Lillard proves he’s a future Laker by saying he’d pick Kobe over LeBron

JARED DUDLEY- Jared Dudley Says Kobe Bryant Was More Difficult To Guard Than LeBron James Or Kevin Durant

LAMAR ODOM- "Kobe is the Greatest Player of This Generation"

TRACY MCGRADY - McGrady: 'No doubt' Kobe best player I've faced, including MJ - ESPN Video

SCOTTIE PIPPEN- Scottie Pippen Says LeBron James Hasn't Passed Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan

ROBERT HORRY - Robert Horry picks Kobe, Hakeem, MJ as Top 3

KENYON MARTIN - Kenyon Martin DESTROYS Lebron James vs Michael/Kobe Debate

DERRICK ROSE - Derrick Rose: Kobe is the Jordan of our generation

RICK BARRY - Rick Barry: Kobe is better than Lebron

STEPHON MARBURY - VIDEO: Stephon Marbury Believes Kobe, Not LeBron, Is NBA's Best - Lakers Nation

ALLEN IVERSON - Allen Iverson Names Top 5 Players of his Era, Talks Kobe vs LeBron

HAKEEM OLAJUWON - Hakeem Olajuwon says Kobe Bryant was his greatest success as a coach over Lebron

JAHLIL OKAFOR - Playing Against Kobe is Different than Playing Against LeBron

RASHAD MCCANTS - Rashad McCants States Kobe Bryant Is Greatest Player Of All-Time, LeBron Can't Take Over Games

JULIUS ERVING - Julius Erving Picks Spurs Over Heat In Finals, Says He'd Take Kobe Over LeBron

REGGIE MILLER - Reggie Miller picks Kobe over LeBron | The Dan Patrick Show | FOX Sports Radio

TONY ALLEN - Kobe The Best That Ever Did It YOUTUBE VIDEO: yuNtO3dFF7c

STEVE SMITH - Tells Rick Kamla Kobe is better than Lebron

GILBERT ARENAS - http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/...ames-will-never-be-michael-jordan-kobe-bryant

KYRIE IRVING - Kyrie Irving "I’d Put Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant Above Lebron"

RON ARTEST - Metta World Peace ranks Kobe best player in NBA history

TREVOR ARIZA - Trevor Ariza: Kobe Better Than LeBron and Duncan

JIM JACKSON - https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1181535299915

LARRY BIRD - Larry Bird would like to team with Kobe for the win, LeBron for the fun

MARK JACKSON - Mark Jackson : "When Kobe retires, he will be greatest of all time"

TAYSHAUN PRINCE- Tayshaun Prince explains the differences between guarding Kobe and LeBron

DOMINIQUE WILKINS - Dominique Wilkins: "Kobe Bryant in his prime better all around player than Lebron"

GLEN RICE - http://www.mighty1090.com/episode/g...o-ever-come-to-michael-jordan-is-kobe-bryant/

JASON TERRY - Jason Terry Says Kobe > LeBron

GARY PAYTON - Gary Payton says Kobe Bryant is still the best player alive

MAGIC JOHNSON - LeBron James Dissed By Magic Johnson!

DAVID WESLEY - David Wesley: 'LeBron Doesn't Have Killer Instinct Like Jordan Or Kobe'

KENNY SMITH - Kenny the Jet from TNT ranks Kobe above Lebron & more!

GREG ANTHONY - Greg Anthony: Kobe Better Than Michael!!

NICK YOUNG - Nick Young Says Kobe Bryant Is Better Than Michael Jordan - Ball Don't Stop

BRANDON JENNINGS - Brandon Jennings Calls Kobe Bryant 'The Greatest Ever,' Says MJ Had Better Cast


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DIRK NOWITZKI - Dirk: Kobe 'greatest player in my generation'

DWYANE WADE - Dwyane Wade says Kobe Bryant 'is the greatest player of our era'

KEVIN DURANT - Kevin Durant: Kobe Bryant is 'the greatest of all time,' Kobe and Michael Jordan '1 and 1A'

MICHAEL JORDAN - Michael Jordan Would Pick Kobe Bryant Over LeBron James | SLAMonline

KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar takes sides in Kobe vs LeBron debate

PAUL PIERCE - Paul Pierce Puts Kobe Ahead of Lebron

CHARLES BARKLEY - http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/...bron-james-higher-than-kobe-bryant-tim-duncan


SHAQUILLE O'NEAL - Shaquille O'Neal says he'd take Kobe Bryant in his prime over LeBron

STEPHEN JACKSON - Stephen Jackson: I would take Kobe Bryant over LeBron James | UNDISPUTED | FOX Sports

CHRIS WEBBER - Is Chris Webber Team Kobe or Team LeBron?

DENNIS RODMAN - Dennis Rodman On Judge Pirro Says Kobe Is Better Than Lebron

DAMIAN LILLARD - Damian Lillard proves he’s a future Laker by saying he’d pick Kobe over LeBron

JARED DUDLEY- Jared Dudley Says Kobe Bryant Was More Difficult To Guard Than LeBron James Or Kevin Durant

LAMAR ODOM- "Kobe is the Greatest Player of This Generation"

TRACY MCGRADY - McGrady: 'No doubt' Kobe best player I've faced, including MJ - ESPN Video

SCOTTIE PIPPEN- Scottie Pippen Says LeBron James Hasn't Passed Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan

ROBERT HORRY - Robert Horry picks Kobe, Hakeem, MJ as Top 3

KENYON MARTIN - Kenyon Martin DESTROYS Lebron James vs Michael/Kobe Debate

DERRICK ROSE - Derrick Rose: Kobe is the Jordan of our generation

RICK BARRY - Rick Barry: Kobe is better than Lebron

STEPHON MARBURY - VIDEO: Stephon Marbury Believes Kobe, Not LeBron, Is NBA's Best - Lakers Nation

ALLEN IVERSON - Allen Iverson Names Top 5 Players of his Era, Talks Kobe vs LeBron

HAKEEM OLAJUWON - Hakeem Olajuwon says Kobe Bryant was his greatest success as a coach over Lebron

JAHLIL OKAFOR - Playing Against Kobe is Different than Playing Against LeBron

RASHAD MCCANTS - Rashad McCants States Kobe Bryant Is Greatest Player Of All-Time, LeBron Can't Take Over Games

JULIUS ERVING - Julius Erving Picks Spurs Over Heat In Finals, Says He'd Take Kobe Over LeBron

REGGIE MILLER - Reggie Miller picks Kobe over LeBron | The Dan Patrick Show | FOX Sports Radio

TONY ALLEN - Kobe The Best That Ever Did It YOUTUBE VIDEO: yuNtO3dFF7c

STEVE SMITH - Tells Rick Kamla Kobe is better than Lebron

GILBERT ARENAS - http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/...ames-will-never-be-michael-jordan-kobe-bryant

KYRIE IRVING - Kyrie Irving "I’d Put Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant Above Lebron"

RON ARTEST - Metta World Peace ranks Kobe best player in NBA history

TREVOR ARIZA - Trevor Ariza: Kobe Better Than LeBron and Duncan

JIM JACKSON - https://www.foxsports.com/watch/first-things-first/video/1181535299915

LARRY BIRD - Larry Bird would like to team with Kobe for the win, LeBron for the fun

MARK JACKSON - Mark Jackson : "When Kobe retires, he will be greatest of all time"

TAYSHAUN PRINCE- Tayshaun Prince explains the differences between guarding Kobe and LeBron

DOMINIQUE WILKINS - Dominique Wilkins: "Kobe Bryant in his prime better all around player than Lebron"

GLEN RICE - http://www.mighty1090.com/episode/g...o-ever-come-to-michael-jordan-is-kobe-bryant/

JASON TERRY - Jason Terry Says Kobe > LeBron

GARY PAYTON - Gary Payton says Kobe Bryant is still the best player alive

MAGIC JOHNSON - LeBron James Dissed By Magic Johnson!

DAVID WESLEY - David Wesley: 'LeBron Doesn't Have Killer Instinct Like Jordan Or Kobe'

KENNY SMITH - Kenny the Jet from TNT ranks Kobe above Lebron & more!

GREG ANTHONY - Greg Anthony: Kobe Better Than Michael!!

NICK YOUNG - Nick Young Says Kobe Bryant Is Better Than Michael Jordan - Ball Don't Stop

BRANDON JENNINGS - Brandon Jennings Calls Kobe Bryant 'The Greatest Ever,' Says MJ Had Better Cast
I saw Rick Barry in this list and knew something was up. His quote is from 2009:russ::heh::dead:
And we all know what Scottie thinks these days
this list might need a refresh:pachaha:
 

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jewmad still out here posting 5-8 year old quotes

KD CALLED HIM THE GREATEST LAST WEEK

ALLEN IVERSON SAID HE HASNT SURPASSED HIM IN MAY

SHAQ AND MJ BOTH SAID KOBE>LEBRON THIS YEAR

ODOM IN APRIL

RASHAD MCCANTS ON MY INSTAGRAM POST A WEEK AGO

STEPHEN JACKSON 2018

RON ARTEST 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/7

KENYON MARTIN 2018

SCOTTIE PIPPEN 2018

ROBERT HORRY 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/8

TRACY MCGRADY 2018

JARED DUDLEY 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/7

DAMIEN LILLARD 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/7





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I saw Rick






Barry in this list and knew something was up. His quote is from 2009:russ::heh::dead:
And we all know what Scottie thinks these days
this list might need a refresh:pachaha:

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KD CALLED HIM THE GREATEST LAST WEEK

ALLEN IVERSON SAID HE HASNT SURPASSED HIM IN MAY

SHAQ AND MJ BOTH SAID KOBE>LEBRON THIS YEAR

ODOM IN APRIL

RASHAD MCCANTS ON MY INSTAGRAM POST A WEEK AGO

STEPHEN JACKSON 2018

RON ARTEST 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/7

KENYON MARTIN 2018

SCOTTIE PIPPEN 2018

ROBERT HORRY 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/8

TRACY MCGRADY 2018

JARED DUDLEY 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/7

DAMIEN LILLARD 2017 WHEN HE WAS 3/7
 

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I think that article was written in a way that was harsher than Kobe deserves.

But give or take a few spots, 15th seems like a fair rating. I could see an argument for 12th.

My issue in all these neverending silly arguments isn’t with Kobe. He was a great player. It’s with his stans who overrate him. There’s no shame at all in being a top 12-15 player ever.
 
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