NFL Week 8: What have we learned

[NYC Rebel]

I preface all of this by saying I agree that the Chiefs need to get better at receiver.

I don't think he should get this pass because he's a 2-time MVP, 2-time SB Champion and 2-time SB MVP. He is the consensus best QB in the game and already considered by some to be the best of his era. By all accounts, Patrick Mahomes is THE Franchise QB of today's NFL. He just won a MVP with Juju Smith-Schuster as his best non-Kelce pass catcher and we see what Juju is and has been since Antonio Brown got the sense knocked out of him by Vontaze Burfict.

While I despise the "Franchise QB" title because what it really means is that the front office will use that as an excuse to skimp on talent around that person because said QB has proven they can make it work without a particularly strong supporting cast, the fact of the matter is that if Mahomes is what we all believe he is, when his head coach/playcaller is considered one of the great offensive minds the game has ever seen, they SHOULD be able to make this work. He should be elevating the talent around him like Brady, Brees, etc. did.

If Carson Wentz can put together a season where he throws for 4000 yards, 27 TD and just 7 INT without ONE wide receiver that had at least 500 yards receiving -- he did this the same year Mahomes won his first Super Bowl -- I REFUSE to believe Patrick Mahomes can't elevate people around him if he's the dominant player we all know he is.

Is it a fair expectation? I can't say it is, but this is what comes with the territory of being the standard for QB play in the NFL.

In the history of the game, the majority of great qbs for the relied on having good receiving corps to be successful.

Its not rocket science

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Where did he say the last five seasons?

I thought he did in one of his posts but either way it's Brady, Mahomes x2 and the Rams.

 

[Rasille]

That’s not true at all.

He’s gone off script plenty of times and made plays.

I said when everything is going well.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Andy tried to pull this shyt in Phylly with Todd Stinkston, Feddie Mitchell and james Thrash. Get this man some receivers!

but it's tough to pay everyone. The Chiefs chose to invest in the line, the QB and Kelce. The fact of the matter is that the Chiefs have invested a lot post Hill in wideouts. None of them have hit as of yet. Personally, they might have ONE guy that could step up, but this "everybody eats b" offense they have doesn't allow for any one guy to break out.

 

[BrehWyatt]

In the history of the game, the majority of great qbs for the relied on having good receiving corps to be successful.

Its not rocket science

There are multiple examples of great QBs being able to elevate WRs around them to help get the team where it needs to be.

Again, I agree that the Chiefs have to get better at WR. Until they do, though ... Mahomes is a transcendent talent and proven winner who should be able to elevate what he has around him.

 

[chargers31]

Herbo still him

 

[NYC Rebel]

There are multiple examples of great QBs being able to elevate WRs around them to help get the team where it needs to be.

Again, I agree that the Chiefs have to get better at WR. Until they do, though ... Mahomes is a transcendent talent and proven winner who should be able to elevate what he has around him.

These guys are Velcro. They get zero separation. You cant make bad cores great.

 

[Jplaya2023]

it's not bullshyt. he played well at times, his mobility extending several plays when the o-line broke down. i watched every single play of the game and YOU didn't because you came in the thread asking what's going on.

He did make some terrible mistakes though.. but why is it that he has to be perfect for the team to win? have you asked yourself that question?

He has to have the perfect situation to win. We cant win shootouts with him with key guys missing he cant win us games. I blame kyle for this naturally. Theres a reason why he was the LAST pick in the draft. It is what it is. We better get healthy off this bye week

 

[KidJSoul]

These guys are Velcro. They get zero separation. You cant make bad cores great.

Lamar had some crap receivers but I never saw him get excuses like this.

No excuses for Mahomes then

 

[Bboystyle]

We 8 weeks in and NFL quality has been bad especially at the QB spot.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

He has to have the perfect situation to win. We cant win shootouts with him with key guys missing he cant win us games. I blame kyle for this naturally. Theres a reason why he was the LAST pick in the draft. It is what it is. We better get healthy off this bye week

That's not what I'm saying, though. This team used to win games with Jimmy G at QB and Jimmy had TERRIBLE games. Why does Purdy have to be perfect in order for the team to win?

That shows that it's more about the defense right now than it is about the QB play.

 

[BrehWyatt]

These guys are Velcro. They get zero separation. You cant make bad cores great.

My understanding of Rashee Rice coming out of SMU was that he was more a contested catch/YAC guy. Skyy Moore is more of a slot/underneath type of guy.

If you've got guys who are more slot/RPO/bubble screen guys that need the ball quickly and in space to get YAC, they'll probably have a bit of a learning curve when adjusting to a improviser-type QB such as Patrick Mahomes who excels in -- among other situations -- off-script/creating downfield when the original play breaks down.

The most consistent pass-catcher he has is Kelce and part of that is the fact that Kelce honestly doesn't have a route tree and instead runs to get open. He sees the game as Mahomes does.

 

[BrehWyatt]

That's not what I'm saying, though. This team used to win games with Jimmy G at QB and Jimmy had TERRIBLE games. Why does Purdy have to be perfect in order for the team to win?

That shows that it's more about the defense right now than it is about the QB play.

To be real, the way SF is set up offensively, the QB doesn't matter as long as he's consistently accurate, fairly mobile in the pocket and makes good decisions very quickly/under duress. If they have a QB who has these traits, the playmakers will handle the rest. They are meant to win on a dominant running game and strong defense.

 

[broller]

Lamar had some crap receivers but I never saw him get excuses like this.

No excuses for Mahomes then

For real? I heard people say Lamar needs more help at receiver numerous times.

 

[RiffRaff]

Wait a minute



So when they get beat in the regular season it’s because it’s a rookie. And when they lose in the playoffs it’ll be because he’s a rookie

Sick of you fukkin fakkits always making excuses when you get your ass beat

Nikka needed to go to the archives to find a post about the Chiefs barely beating MALIK WILLIS.

Like I said clown ass nikka. You post like a female