New York Schools Most Segregated in the Nation

[DEAD7]

Where does the undertone of disgust on this board towards charter schools originate from?

 

[88m3]

no it doesnt, its a study that just assumes that black schools do worse, which they usually do, but charters schools are the exception to that, so the fact that charters schools are less integrated but the black students do better means we need more charters schools

we need more charter schools because black kids do better, period, the level of segregation is irrelevant

as far as immigrants, thats whatever, the main thing is they need to stop bilingual education

its irrelevant how many white people are in ny, what important is that the government stop telling people where and how to go to school

personally i went to an all black private school in brooklyn for elementary, it was mostly ran by west indians, and it was a good school, all black schools with black excellence is normal to me and very possible, and charter schools have also shown that you can have black schools with black excellence

Read the article slowly, and digest it.

Everything shows that mixed schools are better for children(this is really common sense). This isn't only my personal opinion either.

Charter Schools aren't the answer, I live in NY, I have my finger on the pulse of the issue you are wrong.

Did you even read what I wrote? I'm not talking about bilingual education nor do I feel like discussing the finer points with you at this hour.

Your next line is barely coherent.


Listen, I think that's great. I think there is a place for private schools(not charter schools especially for profit) and religious schools (to a point). I went to school in Jamaica for a few years when I was a young child. I went to predominantly West Indian Catholic school in Brooklyn when I was a child in the early 90's as well. I was young, it wasn't such a big deal, could I have gotten a better education elsewhere? Probably not at that age. I went to a two diverse Catholic Schools that were excellent. I still have some friends from there to this day, and in the end we all did very well in life. The mix in backgrounds both racial, socioeconomic are great influences on a child's development whether you believe that or not. You're constantly pushing and challenging yourself to compete with people who see things differently. I also went to one of the best public schools in the city for elementary school and would have went to one of the best middle/high schools at the time if I wanted to. Again both of them had a diverse student population.

At the end of the day this is about socioeconomics. Your charter schools aren't going to fix these issues. Again within our communities no matter how much charter schools skewer their numbers, they will not solve our problem. I'm all for black excellence but cutting ourselves off is not going to achieve that. There are just as many black teachers working in the DOE as there are white teachers working in charter schools so I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

 

[theworldismine13]

Read the article slowly, and digest it.

Everything shows that mixed schools are better for children(this is really common sense). This isn't only my personal opinion either.

Charter Schools aren't the answer, I live in NY, I have my finger on the pulse of the issue you are wrong.

Did you even read what I wrote? I'm not talking about bilingual education nor do I feel like discussing the finer points with you at this hour.

Your next line is barely coherent.


Listen, I think that's great. I think there is a place for private schools(not charter schools especially for profit) and religious schools (to a point). I went to school in Jamaica for a few years when I was a young child. I went to predominantly West Indian Catholic school in Brooklyn when I was a child in the early 90's as well. I was young, it wasn't such a big deal, could I have gotten a better education elsewhere? Probably not at that age. I went to a two diverse Catholic Schools that were excellent. I still have some friends from there to this day, and in the end we all did very well in life. The mix in backgrounds both racial, socioeconomic are great influences on a child's development whether you believe that or not. You're constantly pushing and challenging yourself to compete with people who see things differently. I also went to one of the best public schools in the city for elementary school and would have went to one of the best middle/high schools at the time if I wanted to. Again both of them had a diverse student population.

At the end of the day this is about socioeconomics. Your charter schools aren't going to fix these issues. Again within our communities no matter how much charter schools skewer their numbers, they will not solve our problem. I'm all for black excellence but cutting ourselves off is not going to achieve that. There are just as many black teachers working in the DOE as there are white teachers working in charter schools so I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

i read the article quite clearly, and im critiquing the article for not mentioning that the black kids that go to these supposedly segregated schools do better

i agree the charter schools arent the whole answer, i think you need vouchers also

my last line was just a side comment, to explain why i dont think an all black school is something that needs to be avoided

but overall i have zero advice for what type of school anybody should go to, my point is that the parents should have a maximum choice and they should decide whether charter schools, public schools or vouchers are better for them and government should stop telling people where and how to go to school, the more choice and freedom people have the better

if somebody wants to supposedly isolate (your word not mines) themselves and go to an all white school or all black school that's on them, its a free country, that isnt the government's business, i think diversity is just white liberal gobbleydygook


lol @ charter schools skewing the numbers, so improving black education is skewing the numbers? so your quest for diversity is more important than black kids getting a good education and more important than individual freedom to choose where you want to go to school?

 

[DEAD7]

i think diversity is just white liberal gobbleydygook


lol @ charter schools skewing the numbers, so improving black education is skewing the numbers? so your quest for diversity is more important than black kids getting a good education and more important than individual freedom to choose where you want to go to school?

 

[ORDER_66]

are you in elementary school breh?

....This was years ago.

 

[88m3]

You can move the goal posts to China, use all the straw men in the world, even type every buzz phrase you've ever overheard and you're still not going to be right.

And you don't care.

 

[theworldismine13]

....This was years ago.

my bad, i misread it lol

 

[theworldismine13]

You can move the goal posts to China, use all the straw men in the world, even type every buzz phrase you've ever overheard and you're still not going to right.

And you don't care.

yeah im definitely moving the goal posts, diversity is not a goal, black excellence is the goal

 

[Shogun]

Isn't @Shogun a teacher in NY?

CT...we're probably not far behind, though

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Schooling shouldn't be about race. It should be about learning and development. Shocking, I know.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Why do you want to waste my tax money of your special private school. Charter schools cost tax money. We have private schools already. Send your kids there, and pay for it your damn self.

Lol

 

[yoyoyo1]

is this an indictment of black and latino parents in general? less educated and less caring? cause lets be honest stupidity begets stupidity, and there is plenty of that going around these days

 

[Trip]

New York is a melting pot but the reality is we tend to stick with our own. My only issue would be the unequal distribution of resources in public schools. That's the thing I would like to see addressed.

NY state has some of the smallest district lines in the country(probably the smallest) you go to the suburbs and you have high schools within a mile of each other. The district lines were drawn for obvious reasons, however long ago they were made.....I'd guess districts in the south are larger.

 

[Trip]

That was tongue in cheek. Anyway, charter schools use tax money. I don't like that.

 

[88m3]

NY state has some of the smallest district lines in the country(probably the smallest) you go to the suburbs and you have high schools within a mile of each other. The district lines were drawn for obvious reasons, however long ago they were made.....I'd guess districts in the south are larger.

Might have something to do with population but I'll let you draw a more radical conclusion....