Mods please close this thread. It literally becomes insufferable seeing the back and forth ridiculous arguments.
New whistleblower comes out with UFO program information to Congress. Program name is called "Immaculate Constellation"
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Yelling for the thread to be closed just because some awful positions got exposed is next-level denialism.
Back 3 years ago you were 100% confident that this was all real and the government had non-human crafts in their possession. Three years have gone by and we're still hearing the exact same bullshyt we're always heard with zero new information other than the explanations for the "weird" videos become clearer and clearer.
I noticed you didn't bother continuing the conversation regarding my response to your "Claiming that they are different from other humans and can't make simple mistakes is treating them like gods. ALL humans are prone to making mistakes." bit, and with the indians analogy. good move; because I think you know that was an intellectually dishonest statement that is easy to counter; that you probably used a couple times and hoped that wouldn't get countered.
But again; you spoke as if hearsay were the only things brought to the table ; and you ignored that there were classified videos brought to those hearings. So they clearly aren't going off of hearsay. Again, adjust your world view, you certainly seem to think that you are the only entity able to account for human error, why? Because accepting that these accredited officials already did that would dismantle your world view. Religious thinking once again. can't be trusted in these situations.
First of all we were simply debating the images you used to try and prove the temperature wasn't changing, but how many pages did we spend with you being clearly unable to accept that it was an actual object, posting links and images in true spectrum fashion, for pages upon pages acting as if you knew it was a spider; after being told numerous different reasons from different people why that didn't make any sense. You even trust your own judgment more than accredited officials that actually used the device; that my friend makes you a useless, religious, biased, predictable entity in these topics that the majority of people roll their eyes at and assume you are on the spectrum as we already know what position you are going to take. You even participate in a forum of known skeptics that have a vested interest in debunking. I don't do that. you do. so deductive reasoning suggests you have more of a vested interest in a particular position; you even assume that because I disagree with you on one thing...I'm the "ufo community". religious thought processes.
Then why would you make such a pointless statement then? As we pretend it wasn't grossly implied lol
But again; you spoke as if hearsay were the only things brought to the table ; and you ignored that there were classified videos brought to those hearings. So they clearly aren't going off of hearsay. Again, adjust your world view, you certainly seem to think that you are the only entity able to account for human error, why? Because accepting that these accredited officials already did that would dismantle your world view. Religious thinking once again. can't be trusted in these situations.
First of all we were simply debating the images you used to try and prove the temperature wasn't changing, but how many pages did we spend with you being clearly unable to accept that it was an actual object, posting links and images in true spectrum fashion, for pages upon pages acting as if you knew it was a spider; after being told numerous different reasons from different people why that didn't make any sense. You even trust your own judgment more than accredited officials that actually used the device; that my friend makes you a useless, religious, biased, predictable entity in these topics that the majority of people roll their eyes at and assume you are on the spectrum as we already know what position you are going to take. You even participate in a forum of known skeptics that have a vested interest in debunking. I don't do that. you do. so deductive reasoning suggests you have more of a vested interest in a particular position; you even assume that because I disagree with you on one thing...I'm the "ufo community". religious thought processes.
Then why would you make such a pointless statement then? As we pretend it wasn't grossly implied lol
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Because you answered with a meaningless word salad. You said that they were "more credible" by virtue of their position, but that's pointless. If all humans are prone to error and can make mistakes, then how does someone having a position that is "more credible" eliminate the possibility that they made a mistake?
Another breh posted evidence in here that people flying are MORE prone to making optical errors than people on the ground, and you completely ignored that post.
There is zero evidence that those "classified videos" show anything that is not explainable by human technology. Remember, the Navy videos were "classified videos" once upon a time too, until they were revealed and then it turned out that all three could be easily explained.
AARO has access to the classified videos, and they've already said they have no evidence for non-human intelligences.
Which you were 100% wrong on after being shown one proof after another, and refused to accept.
Lie. I never once said that it wasn't an actual object.
Lie. I said that it COULD be a spider molt on the lens but it also COULD be balloons. I never once said I KNEW it was a spider. I just said it was an open possibility until the new footage emerged.
Lie. And I already told you multiple times you were lying about that, yet you still repeat the lie.
If you have to lie this many times to make your argument, then perhaps it's a faulty argument?
Yelling for the thread to be closed just because some awful positions got exposed is next-level denialism.
Back 3 years ago you were 100% confident that this was all real and the government had non-human crafts in their possession. Three years have gone by and we're still hearing the exact same bullshyt we're always heard with zero new information other than the explanations for the "weird" videos become clearer and clearer.
My opinion has not changed. Fact of the matter is is that I am a scientist. I follow science and I follow data and the data tells me that there’s more to investigate with this topic. Im willing to accept any outcome. As far as it comes with you, you are a blind skeptic and nonbeliever, and use conclusions to fit your opinion, so despite any evidence you will reject it. Please continue to follow your fairy tale version of god based on the white man king James Bible. The fact of the matter is I have no interest or desire or to continue to debate anything with you about this topic.
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Aren't ALL the whistleblowers "White"?
You have made numerous far more unscientific claims about the subject, don't pretend to be some objective "follows the data" guy now.
This is definitely not the forum for this breh. Way too many close minded idiots.
But for those in the know you have literally had an endless stream of senators, a senate majority leader, directors of national intelligence, pentagon officials, navy officials and pilots confirm this phenomenon. Literally every week on the news there’s a story about it. Department of defense LITERALLY released confirmed footage and acknowledged they have no idea what it is. Craft instantly accelerating, breaking the sound barrier with no sonic boom and making right angle turns in mid air. Technology that would change life on this earth if we could use it now commercially. Like in the past 3 years they have admitted all this shyt in public and people here like
You've also Gish Galloped incidents like the Navy videos and the Puerto Rico videos that were already clearly explained and don't provide any evidence for NHIs or aliens at all.
Back in 2021-2022 you told us that the answers were coming in short order. Now, three years later, we actually have even LESS evidence for NHIs than we did then. More and more videos get explained by normal, rational processes, while no meaningful new evidence has emerged.
If I'm a "blind sceptic", then why am I the only one in this conversation who is actually expending the energy to break down videos and sightings scientifically?
You can feign objectivity all you want, but neither you nor any of the other UFO believers on this board EVER write your own analysis discrediting a sighting, and you only rarely agree with others when they show them. You default to believing everything you're told to believe. The UFO community didn't used to be like this, UFO investigators who debunked sightings used to be an important part of the community. But the internet age has rotted your brains so now you shyt on everyone who doesn't blindly accept everything like you do.
And lol on your "I'm a scientist, but you're a blind skeptic" bullshyt. I'd bet anything that I've done more intensive academic study of extraterrestrial life than anyone on this board. I'd bet I read more books about UFOs before I turned 18 than most believers have read in their entire lives. And there's a decent chance that I've logged more hours of collaboration with NASA and SETI than all of you combined. I would LOVE for there to be extraterrestrial life visiting Earth, it's been my dream since childhood.
But I was taught to follow logic and data, not my dreams. And at this point y'all are treating it like a cult where only those who don't rock the boat are invited.
So that @Rhakim clown is a Metabunk forum member AND a religion nut
You are blatantly, utterly lying. I have never been a Metabunk forum member nor have I ever had a login for that site at any moment in my life. I said they're a reputable source of information that I occasionally check.
And I'm not a "religion nut" by any sense of that word, unless you believe that anyone who believes in God is a nut. I think there would be zero contradiction between aliens existing and God existing, and "aliens aren't real" have never once been part of any religious belief I've ever held. I fully believe there is life on other planets, it's just that the evidence suggests it's too far away for us to contact it.
Now, why did you dodge my post to you on the previous page? You claimed Metabunk was a disreputable site. Let's take just two examples to see if Metabunk is reputable or not. I really doubt you'll engage honestly here, but I'll give you a chance.
Case #1. Chilean Navy pilots saw what they thought was a UFO and got it on video. The Chilean navy and air force studied it for two years, couldn't identify it, and finally released it to the public as an unexplained UFO. The UFO world went crazy with an "official" UFO video from a military source.
Metabunk identified the actual object in just 2 days, conclusively IDing it as a commercial airliner, Flight IB6830. The Chilean Navy looked at their analysis and confirmed that they had solved the case. Read this and tell me whether their analysis is scientific and reputable or not.
Explained: Chilean Navy "UFO" video - Aerodynamic Contrails, Flight IB6830
If you are short on time, then I made a one minute video explaining this: Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bFfuIidCK0 Background: Infrared footage from the Chilean Navy appears to show some kind of flying object that briefly leaves a trail behind it...
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Case #2. The UFO investigating and believing group MUFON made a huge buildup to UFO evidence they claimed to have, releasing first picture and eventually video at a conference with a lot of hoopla. It was video taken by pilots of a "mothership" launching smaller UFOs. There were 5 different pilots who attested to seeing it and confirming that it was completely inexplicable and out of this world. UFO world went crazy.
Metabunk almost immediately identified it conclusively as a series of Starlink satellites, tracking the exact position in the sky and showing that Starlink was there at the exact time. They have dozens of threads like that.
Solved: MUFON case #124190: 'Mothership' UAP Crosses the North Pacific [Starlink Stack]
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev9QOZOieFc [Note: The above is a video summary of this thread. Original first post follows] Notes on today's SCU presentation (the slides/photos are embargoed until 27 Aug 2023 so I'll not post them here): The object was described in the slide title as...
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Do you consider those threads to be scientific or not? Do you consider to the information shared there to be reputable or not?
IF you can honestly address those exposals, then I'll let you post a Metabunk thread where you claim they're being disreputable. Or we can address the lies you made about me. But before I let you deflect the conversation, let's agree on these first two threads of Metabunk clearly solving UFO cases.
lol this is so typical for any type of response with you. I was actually wondering what was taking you so long to reply, but then I figured that you would be digging up posts from my past. Jesus man surprise me for once. Please take some more time to dig up more stuff. I’ve discussed a lot of things about the Knicks as well. I’m sure that you can include that into the argument.
As for me, I’m not concerned with your any of past posts so I’ll just respond to this, and even there I don’t even have the energy. But yes, I have discussed this topic previously, and I still stand by the fact that it warrants further study. I also stand by every single statement that I’ve made that you quoted. Even the UAP nuclear connection, which Robert Hastings covered in a well documented book. Those are all things that anyone can look up and see that are happening. I am not talking about pie in the sky stuff. I am literally telling you what is being reported, because these are actual things that are occurring within Congress. End of story.
Not concerned with whatever books you read as a toddler or anything else. Doesn’t discount the fact that there will be public hearings in in another month. Doesn’t discount the fact that there will be more release of records in another month. Doesn’t discount the fact that more high-level witnesses will continue to release information. Doesn’t discount the fact that more documented sightings are now being officially recorded, because there is now a proper mechanism for pilots to report these things. These things are all in motion and will continue to keep going, regardless of whether you wanna argue against that. But please keep typing because you like to make long-winded posts.
For the rational people out there, I will tell you this, take a look at what has been occurring. You have now seen over the last several years directors of national intelligence tell you something is occurring. You’ve had past presidents tell you something is occurring. You have had members of Congress and the Senate tell you something is occurring. You have had people within every military service, from the CIA, to the Air Force to the Navy to the navy tell you something is occurring. You have had researchers from Stanford and Harvard do research and tell you that something is occurring. You have had officially released videos from the government showing you things that are completely unidentified, and they still have not been resolved. You have had witnesses testify under oath that something is happening. Top gun pilots, and officials that were cleared to provide the president with daily briefings tell you that something is occurring. These are stories that have been reported in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, 60 minutes and every major publication. This is all happened since 2017 and it has not let up in any capacity. This thread is based on a story that just occurred this week that was reported. So you are faced with one or two choices: either you have a bunch of high-level officials who have top level classifications and access to our nuclear weapons and secrets that are completely bat shyt crazy, or suffering from from some unknown form of mass hysteria, or something is actually occurring and should be properly investigated. Third choice is random internet poster @Professor Emeritus has it all figured out. Up to you to decide.
But you were wrong. You have zero scientific support for your claim that aliens been warning us about nuclear, you were wrong when you claim that Congress has definitve evidence (or any evidence at all) for non-human craft, and you're full of shyt if you think the DOD gives a flying fukk whether Elizondo runs for Senate or not.
You claimed that UFOs are 100% real and that they're not just drones but non-human craft. And you kept saying this is a "100% fact".
You claimed that you were an objective scientist who would accept any outcome, and that I'm a blind skeptic. Yet your claims have included FAR stronger statements of certainty than mine have.
Of course all of that will keep going. And it will continue to result in zero substantiated evidence for non-human crafts or beings.
Remember that back in 2021, not only were you hyping up all these hearings and releases of information, but you claimed we would have answers on a short time frame. Three years have gone by and we have NOTHING more in terms of real evidence than we did before.
LOL - yes, "something" is occurring. "Something" is always occurring, at all times. The fact that this has been going on for 8 years and we're still waiting should tell you something. Three years ago you were 100% convinced that Congress had proof of non-human craft.....what happened with all that?
The fact that this has been going on for 8 years, and the strongest statement you can make is the completely meaningless "something is occurring", says a lot.
If the "something" that is occurring means anything at all, then why has EVERY single government, military, and scientific branch continued to act with business as usual as if these supposed NHI finds have exactly zero impact on how they conduct research, politics, foreign policy, military funding, etc. etc.? Why is it that other than a few conspiracy theorist Trumpers, the Senate and House haven't even prioritized this issue at all?
I know it's gotta make you feel isolated and insecure when 99% of the scientific community doesn't take you seriously and most people who know what's going on in government won't even give you the time of day. You want to isolate me as if my position isn't the position of the VAST majority of scientists.
It's not news that there are high-level officials who are batshyt crazy (Michael Flynn, Kash Patel). But I've seen zero evidence that any "high-level officials who have top level classifications and access to our nuclear weapons and secrets" are batshyt crazy. The craziest allegations have come from David Grusch, and he is NOT a top-level official.
Let's hear what some actual top-level officials have to say:
"General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, gave an interview to The Washington Times on August 6, 2023, in which he stated that he had never encountered evidence that would verify the claims made by Grusch regarding "quote-unquote 'aliens' or that there's some sort of cover-up program". Milley added that he was unsurprised that such rumors would circulate and be believed by some within an organization as large as the U.S. military."
"Sue Gough, spokesperson for the Pentagon, said: "To date, AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of any extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently. AARO is committed to following the data and its investigation wherever it leads.""
NASA stated: "One of NASA's key priorities is the search for life elsewhere in the universe, but so far, NASA has not found any credible evidence of extraterrestrial life and there is no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial. However, NASA is exploring the solar system and beyond to help us answer fundamental questions, including whether we are alone in the universe."
So, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Pentagon have seen nothing that would suggest any of this, NASA has seen nothing that would suggest any of this, and the AARO that was tasked to study the phenomena has seen nothing that would suggest any of this. And on the other side with have.....David Grusch, an aliens-obsessed low-level intelligence officer who admits that he has a lot of personal and mental baggage and who has talked to all sorts of people who know all sorts of things, but can't tell us any of them.
"In a 2024 interview with Peter Bergen, Kirkpatrick said about Grusch: "He's one of the individuals that I think this kind of, this core group of people have influenced him, have told him this information. He may have misinterpreted things that people have said, or he may have just fallen into the influence of what these folks have been telling him. At either event, at the time I left he had not come in to speak to AARO."
And in more news congress in both houses will have even more UFO public hearings in a month. Somebody please tell them coli poster @Professor Emeritus thinks it’s all bullshyt and should go away. Why won’t they listen to him?
