New whistleblower comes out with UFO program information to Congress. Program name is called "Immaculate Constellation"

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Nearly everyone in developed countries is walking around with a more advanced camera in their pocket (phone) than humans had at virtually any point in our history. Yet nobody has seen anything to suggest aliens are real. It would be impossible to prevent some random person from going live on IG and filming an alien crash. We live in a world where one of the most secretive special forces operations of all time - the Bin Laden raid - was leaked on twitter because some guy in Pakistan happened to hear top secret helicopters flying over his house. But nobody has seen aliens. Ok...
This whistleblower story states that there is indeed a database of pictures/videos/etc within the government regarding this topic but again it is kept “secret” or “TS” classification

So there are a couple different options..

-either this is own our tech (which only could encompass SOME of the stories and examples posed by military and aviation pilots)

-tech of other foreign countries (which is a bigger issue that essentially we are invaded consistently over American soil and within our military airspace)

-some other explanation.

Either way, it should be investigated
 

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This whistleblower story states that there is indeed a database of pictures/videos/etc within the government regarding this topic but again it is kept “secret” or “TS” classification

So there are a couple different options..

-either this is own our tech (which only could encompass SOME of the stories and examples posed by military and aviation pilots)

-tech of other foreign countries (which is a bigger issue that essentially we are invaded consistently over American soil and within our military airspace)

-some other explanation.

Either way, it should be investigated

I'd bet money it's top secret American program technology. Given how long it takes China and Russia to halfway imitate our jets, I don't buy them magically surprising us on this front. They don't spend the money to do it either, whereas given the billions to trillions of dollars the US spends on shyt we'll never know about...

Drones come to mind. If we were years ahead of commercially available drones, maybe something exists that can move at the speeds and ability that have (allegedly) been observed.
 

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There are 195 nations on Earth, something like 50,000 military pilots in our military alone split up between five different branches, another 150,000 commercial pilots not to mention private pilots, and then you go down through every single country and every single military branch....not to mention you can go back 100 years and still don't have any proof or evidence of anything.

The idea that there could be any sort of "gatekeeper" for a global phenomenon that they don't even control that lasts through all of history is ridiculous. Let's say a UAP crashes in Zimbabwae, who is the "gatekeeper" who stops that from coming to light?






And yet there is no evidence that a single anomalous object has been recorded on any two systems at the same time, ever. Something funning on video can be simple parallax effect. Something funny on radar can be due to targeted jamming or a glitch. So far as we know, no one has EVER seen something definitively non-human based on video and radar at the same time. Absolutely bizarre, considering our capabilities.....unless there was nothng to see.







Most of those are almost certainly mistaken identity. Lay people treat pilots like gods when in reality a substantial minority are fukk-ups, and even the reliable ones can make a mistake X% of the time. We're at the point where literally thousands of pilots have mistaken Starlink launches for UFOs, even 5+ years after Starlink started and after so many other mistaken identities that it became a meme.

Do you find it odd that the sightings always seem to match the technology of the era? Before we had planes, no one reported flying saucers or tic tac UFOs in the sky to any serious degree. What few sightings there were usually looked like meteor showers or were described as slow airships....the exact thing that existed with man at the time. Even after planes started, UFO sightings were rare. But once we got jet capabilities, suddenly people started seeing UFOs that just happened to be the same color and size and skinnier sleetness of jets. Experimental jets started flying, and then the UFOs stared doing things like experimental jets. Now we have drones, and - big surprise! - we're seeing little drone UFOs everywhere.

Only constant is that everyone, in every period, has kept mistaking balloons for aliens.
I mean you're flatly wrong. There are already public videos/photos of UFO's taken by and released by the government (Mosul orb, Tic Tac, Go Fast, etc)

By Gatekeepers, I'm talking about those within the military that are GATEKEEPING the classification of the data that is collected on objects. simply those who classify what is considered "Secret" classification regarding these types of incursions/videos, etc.

USS Omaha apparently had not only video evidence of a touch down/splash down of a UFO (simply means unidentified), but also radar data that was correlated with that

Some are def misidentified. But at the same time.. you're not a pilot. I talk to pilots on a daily basis who are able to distinguish something like a balloon that I have tracked on radar that is around my area in the FL600+ and pilots 5-10 miles away are able to distinguish the balloon and give a pretty accurate measurment of height compared to where they are. I normally only have to inform pilots if they are essentially "merging" with these balloons, but even those that are in the FL300 they can distinguish that this "object" is around 20k feet above them and looks like a balloon 5-10 miles away

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you've never spoken to a commercial pilot in any capacity in your life
 

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I'd bet money it's top secret American program technology. Given how long it takes China and Russia to halfway imitate our jets, I don't buy them magically surprising us on this front. They don't spend the money to do it either, whereas given the billions to trillions of dollars the US spends on shyt we'll never know about...

Drones come to mind. If we were years ahead of commercially available drones, maybe something exists that can move at the speeds and ability that have (allegedly) been observed.
It could be, but there have been I believe 5-10 reported examples of "near misses" with fighter jets in this designated airspace that shouldn't have drones involved in them. That's not normally how these MOA's and ATCA's work.
 

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I mean you're flatly wrong. There are already public videos/photos of UFO's taken by and released by the government (Mosul orb, Tic Tac, Go Fast, etc)


And those were shown to not be jack shyt. :dead:


"GoFast" was only moving 30mph (by the Pentagon's estimation and from independent analysis), but it looked faster due to parallax effect. This is provable by the data on the screen, yet you had veteran pilots and UFO observers going gaga over something that was just floating at the prevailing wind speed.

"Gimbal" was literally just the lens flare rotating with the gimbal mechanism....something the military likely realized when they named the video "gimbal" in the first place, but yet again UFO enthusiasts and overexcited pilots went crazy over nothing.

The "tic tac" video (FLIR) is just the pilot switching between his two different cameras, one of which was 2x and tracking and the other which was 1x and lost track.

Again, this isn't just my opinion - these evaluations have been PROVEN by the data embedded in the videos themselves and confirmed by Pentagon sources.







Now there's been a rash of videos of small objects moving straight across military bases at prevailing wind speed....just like a balloon would.




So tell me, are they leaking all the shyttiest, most obviously meaningless videos while the good stuff stays hidden away? Or is it become more and more obvious that all of the "evidence" is just easily explainable stuff like this?





Some are def misidentified. But at the same time.. you're not a pilot. I talk to pilots on a daily basis who are able to distinguish something like a balloon that I have tracked on radar that is around my area in the FL600+ and pilots 5-10 miles away are able to distinguish the balloon and give a pretty accurate measurment of height compared to where they are. I normally only have to inform pilots if they are essentially "merging" with these balloons, but even those that are in the FL300 they can distinguish that this "object" is around 20k feet above them and looks like a balloon 5-10 miles away.

What kind of wierd Argument From Authority is this? We have numerous PROVEN examples of pilots mistaking mundane things for UFOs. Balloons are mistaken for something more interesting all the time, and Starlink launches are mistaken for something more interesting all the time. You had that incident in Chile a few years back where those pilots thought they saw a UFO and the entire Chilean Air Force couldn't explain it after years of examination....they put it on the internet as a UFO and metabunk solved it as another commercial airplane (even down to the exact flight) within two days.






Pilots make these dumb mistakes all the time. It's human nature. Sure, they're right 99.9% of the time, but when people like you keep making a big deal of the 0.1% of misses, you get exposed over and over.




I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you've never spoken to a commercial pilot in any capacity in your life


Two of my closest friends I grew up with are pilots, dumbass. One did AFA and then 7 years in the Air Force as a Flight Engineer on F-22s followed by a stint with Boeing, the other did 20 years in the Army as a helicopter pilot and now flies as a private contractor. They're just regular-ass people like anyone else.
 

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I'd bet money it's top secret American program technology. Given how long it takes China and Russia to halfway imitate our jets, I don't buy them magically surprising us on this front

The first whistleblower that came out with enough information to cause hearings on Capitol Hill confirmed that the government is running a retrieval project for UFOs. So if life on another planet, galaxy, or universe doesn’t exist then this is the only explanation.

But you’re right… no other country on earth has the capability to create this type of technology. And if they don’t, why would we be running a secret retrieval program?
 

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The first whistleblower that came out with enough information to cause hearings on Capitol Hill confirmed that the government is running a retrieval project for UFOs. So if life on another planet, galaxy, or universe doesn’t exist then this is the only explanation.

But you’re right… no other country on earth has the capability to create this type of technology. And if they don’t, why would we be running a secret retrieval program?


He didn't provide the slightest evidence such a program exists. He provided claims that people had told him stories that such a program exists, but he had never seen anything firsthand at all.

The US military almost certainly has a top-secret protocol for recovering REGULAR top secret military craft, both our own and those of our allies and enemies. If we lose a top-secret plane or drone in Siberia or North Korea, we want to get it back before they do and we don't want the slightest leak out there regarding what we're doing. If a top-secret Russian craft goes down over Alaska or Canada, we want to be the first ones on scene and we don't want Russia to know we have it. If we have their pilots too, dead or alive, it has to ESPECIALLY be secret.


My guess is that a few goofballs were on the fringe of a program like that, saw all the secrecy and need-to-know-only information, and thought the retrieval program was much more than it was. And other goofballs are just having fun telling wild stories to an especially gullible autistic guy who believes everything he hears.
 

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There are 195 nations on Earth, something like 50,000 military pilots in our military alone split up between five different branches, another 150,000 commercial pilots not to mention private pilots, and then you go down through every single country and every single military branch....not to mention you can go back 100 years and still don't have any proof or evidence of anything.

The idea that there could be any sort of "gatekeeper" for a global phenomenon that they don't even control that lasts through all of history is ridiculous. Let's say a UAP crashes in Zimbabwae, who is the "gatekeeper" who stops that from coming to light?






And yet there is no evidence that a single anomalous object has been recorded on any two systems at the same time, ever. Something funning on video can be simple parallax effect. Something funny on radar can be due to targeted jamming or a glitch. So far as we know, no one has EVER seen something definitively non-human based on video and radar at the same time. Absolutely bizarre, considering our capabilities.....unless there was nothng to see.







Most of those are almost certainly mistaken identity. Lay people treat pilots like gods when in reality a substantial minority are fukk-ups, and even the reliable ones can make a mistake X% of the time. We're at the point where literally thousands of pilots have mistaken Starlink launches for UFOs, even 5+ years after Starlink started and after so many other mistaken identities that it became a meme.

Do you find it odd that the sightings always seem to match the technology of the era? Before we had planes, no one reported flying saucers or tic tac UFOs in the sky to any serious degree. What few sightings there were usually looked like meteor showers or were described as slow airships....the exact thing that existed with man at the time. Even after planes started, UFO sightings were rare. But once we got jet capabilities, suddenly people started seeing UFOs that just happened to be the same color and size and skinnier sleetness of jets. Experimental jets started flying, and then the UFOs stared doing things like experimental jets. Now we have drones, and - big surprise! - we're seeing little drone UFOs everywhere.

Only constant is that everyone, in every period, has kept mistaking balloons for aliens.

Humans are way too vain to keep this secret for 70+ years.


He then looked at the maximum number of people who could take part in an intrigue in order to maintain it. For a plot to last five years, the maximum was 2521 people. To keep a scheme operating undetected for more than a decade, fewer than 1000 people can be involved. A century-long deception should ideally include fewer than 125 collaborators. Even a straightforward cover-up of a single event, requiring no more complex machinations than everyone keeping their mouth shut, is likely to be blown if more than 650 people are accomplices.

or is that the real conspiracy :ohhh:
 

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This whistleblower story states that there is indeed a database of pictures/videos/etc within the government regarding this topic but again it is kept “secret” or “TS” classification


Of course there's a database of pictures and videos. They're all blurry, unclear, and easily explainable as something else.

Did the whistleblower Elizondo purposely sneak out the worst videos? Why was everyone going gaga over the Navy videos that turned out to be just mundane everyday movements? Why didn't he release the good stuff?




"One of the videos, referred to as GoFast, appears to show an object moving at immense speed. But an analysis by the military says that is an illusion created by the angle of observation against water. According to Pentagon calculations, the object is moving only about 30 miles per hour."

"Another video, known as Gimbal, shows an object that appears to be turning or spinning. Military officials now believe that is the optics of the classified image sensor, designed to help target weapons, make the object appear like it is moving in a strange way."



As others have pointed out before me, that's almost certainly why the Navy named the video "Gimbal". They already knew exactly what the video was showing and how mundane it was long before the video was even linked, but those who knew weren't disclosing it due to the desire to maintain confidentiality regarding capacities.




Mick West has debunked them as well, using the exact information already displayed on the screens.


In the FLIR video, the video focuses on a single UAP in the distance. It appears to rotate in place before zooming to the left of the frame. According to To the Stars Academy, this movement is “unprecedented velocity.”

West pointed out that, as the camera stops tracking the object, it also changes the zoom. This switch from a 1x zoom to a 2x zoom gives the object the appearance of “teleporting” to the left. The craft, which was always traveling to the left, continues apace but isn’t followed by the camera anymore. That gives it its apparent speed. “This is perfectly consistent with something like a distant aircraft just flying along quite normally making no sudden movements,” West said on YouTube.

He believes GIMBAL to be a plane as well, lit by the infrared flare of the engine and locked in place by a trick of the gimbal mounted camera viewing it. In a series of several videos on his YouTube channel, West walks through how a gimbal mounted camera can produce the effects seen in the Navy footage, including the rotating glare and image sharpening in IR cameras.

West thinks GOFAST is a balloon tracked by a camera and given unnatural speed by an effect called parallax--when viewed while moving, objects at different distances appear to move at different speeds. The To the Stars Academy release of GOFAST claims the object is moving quickly and low across water. West, using the data displayed in the camera footage, calculates the speed and distance of the perceived object. According to him, it’s actually moving slowly at a high altitude.


All three videos were just standard misinterpretations of sensor data. That's all everyone is excited about.

If every one of the known videos has such mundane explanations, then why assume the unseen videos are any different?



How about the Puerto Rico video that UFO enthusiasts claimed was a "trans-dimensional" craft of something....which turned out to be just a couple heart-shaped wedding lanterns that were being phased in and out by the camera's overly aggressive compression algorithm?

 

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Humans are way too vain to keep this secret for 70+ years.



Something like 1,500 people leaked the Manhattan Project (that's just the KNOWN leaks that aren't connected to spying) and that only lasted 3.5 years. :pachaha:

If 1,500 people leak an issue of the utmost national security importance in the middle of a global war, then how many more would leak some damn UFOs? Especially if they don't believe that hiding the UFOs is in the best interest of humanity?
 

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Man... I used to give so many shts about this type sht when I was young. Now I give no shts...

Either somebody gonna show us an alien or nah.
This "whistleblower said this, government denies that" sht has been going on since I was alil nikka.

I actually think this alien sht is all BS now. And it's something worse then we can even imagine
The "alien conspiracy" thing is just to keep us from knowing some other crazy sht
 
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