New German regime wants to be free from US bytching them. NATO maybe out for the count.

[5n0man]

You said it’s a lie that Russia wanted to join NATO but then admitted in the same sentence they wanted to join NATO but through an expedited process. NATOs entire existence was to counteract Russias influence in Europe so why would Russia have to “apply” to join NATO? If the United States really wanted peace like they claim they would have jumped at the opportunity to allow Russia to join.

The United States spent billions supporting pro-western separatists in the Ukraine leading to the 2014 coup. Even far-right neo nazi groups.

NATO isn't just the U.S. other members have to agree and it's understandable that European members might be hesitant to expedite Russia's entry when they were fresh off conflicts with Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine where they were the aggressors.

If Putin actually cared about joining NATO he would've took the bare minimum steps, but he never intended to join, he was posturing for the public.

 

[5n0man]

Russia was involved in the Ukraine because it’s their neighbor and many Ukrainians are ethnically Russian. The Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. What excuse does the US have to be involved in the Ukraine? And in Taiwan? And in the Middle East? Etc etc.

Ukraine has a terrible history with Russia, including genocide. U.s. supported zelensky while Russia had soldiers in unmarked uniforms and a literal puppet in power.

 

[Strapped]

Washington did destroy the German economy , they blew up Nord stream pipeline

 

[StretfordRed]

Russia annexed part of crimea as a direct result of us-backed coup in the Ukraine. The parts of the crimes that were annexed are ethnically Russian.

NATO expanded to all of these countries AFTER the Soviet Union fell. This is about expanding the western/white global hegemony.

Exactly, I mean you literally just proved my point in that post.

After the USSR fell, but also after Putin was in power. Which means his angst is weighed heavily on wishing to re-drawn the Soviet map including Ukraine because it is a very close former Soviet state:

"We do not have such problems with Sweden and Finland, which, unfortunately, we have with Ukraine. We have no territorial issues… no disputes… we have nothing that could bother us from the point of view of Finland's or Sweden's membership in NATO.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

It’s Russian propaganda that NATO has expanded eastward?

Actually it is lol.

No one made a deal that NATO wouldn't expand in the first place. There's no official document or treaty stating that, and no, a verbal agreement with secretary of state James Baker would make that promise binding. Not to mention that the conversation you're referring to happened while the USSR was still a thing (in addition to the Warsaw pact countries still being around too).

I know, you didn't actually say those things (yet) but I'm just sourcing your propaganda that you'll eventually get to. You guys all say the same thing like a bunch of bots.

And as far as the "u.s. sponsored coup", the u.s. wasn't involved in that. Think of it as the Russian version of the pretext for invading Iraq for weapons of mass destruction.

What really happened was yanakovych won the presidential election under the promise of getting Ukraine into the EU. What he ended up doing instead was make a deal with Russia and enter Ukraine into the Eurasian economic union (2013) which of course pissed off his voters which lead to them revolting. After yanukovych fled to Russia like the puppet he was in 2014, Russia then invaded. Insinuating that the CIA orchestrated all of that is laughable

 

[Cave Savage]

It isn’t propaganda when Russia literally have annexed parts of Crimea, and are attempting to make more land grabs and actively propagate geographical items (calendars, maps, etc) in Russia with no Ukraine existing as a sovereign state.

All of the Baltic snd North Sea states are in NATO already. NATO/EU Membership for Ukraine is the issue because of WHO Ukraine is, not because of NATO expansion.

Russia also occupies parts of Moldova and Georgia

 

[null]

I mean, what does America provide the world with that the world cannot live without anymore..Netflix maybe

1. consumption.

hence the massive trade deficits that the USA has with most countries.

the consumer of last resort.

2. defence (aka attack).

the biggest army

3. bases and jobs

USA army stationed abroad

4. IP and innovation and education

leading the pack (but china is doing well)



economics 101

 

[null]

Actually it is lol.

No one made a deal that NATO wouldn't expand in the first place.

and .. there doesn't have to be an agreement.

was there an agreement before the cuban missile crisis?

"acts of aggression" do not have to breach previous agreements.

stop watching US crap media.

 

[newworldafro]

If that's the case, then why won't the US lift the military and nuclear weapon restrictions they have on Germany?

Aren't they the one country in Europe that could manufacture practically anything they wanted?

Until somebody caught on the natural gas spigot in the Baltic Sea

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

and .. there doesn't have to be an agreement.

was there an agreement before the cuban missile crisis?

"acts of aggression" do not have to breach previous agreements.

stop watching US crap media.

Russia has no say on who can and can't join NATO but even talking about it is a red Herring because the 2014 invasion occurred after the euromaidan protests.

But if you feel differently feel free to make the case that Ukraine was on the cusp of joining NATO.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Do you guys actually believe that germany can compete with the US military in 2025?

Some of you guys are beyond deluded

Yeah about that..the US Navy just participated in war games with Europe recently, and it ended in a stalemate. If you don't follow what goes on outside of the US just say that.

 

[null]

Russia has no say on who can and can't join NATO but even talking about it is a red Herring because the 2014 invasion occurred after the euromaidan protests.

But if you feel differently feel free to make the case that Ukraine was on the cusp of joining NATO.

russia is saying what it wants. and acting on it.

just like the US did when it embargoed cuba and threatened to invade.




goose, gandar.

i am not judging who is right/wrong.

i am saying the US and russia are both as right or wrong as each other.

 

[null]

When's the last time you've been to Germany? They still make a TON of stuff.

oh boy.

germany is entering the third year of a (mild-ish) reecession.

that is one reason for why the AFD is doing so well.

"Deindustrialisierung" is a major concern in germany.

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/kolumne-von-anahita-thoms-deindustrialisierung-das-deutschland-das-wir-kennen-wird-es-nicht-mehr-geben_id_259796552.html

Meinung: Deindustrialisierung: Was eine neue Regierung jetzt anpacken muss

Teile der deutschen Industrie werden die aktuelle Strukturkrise nicht überleben. Wir sind spät dran – andere Länder haben das partielle Verschwinden der Fabriken längst hinter sich.

www.manager-magazin.de

germans need to spend more. increase internal demand. build in newer industries.

 

[null]

bit early but heaven (@MU) reminds me of konate.

heaven looks like he has more potential than yoro