Netflix might have one: Making a Murderer (Dec 18th)
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I think this is similar to the OJ case in the sense that Steven was probably guilty of murder but the investigation & prosecution basically fukked away a slam dunk case except of course in the case he was found guilty. I think if it happened in a big city as opposed to a small town he might've gotten off.
Edit-watching ep 9 now. How could they even think that Brendan is mentally competent enough to stand trial?
Ha! But fukk that prosecutor, he thought he had when he said he got it out of a book and then he named the book. b*stard tried to slick and then ask him who wrote the book.
Yeah, I got to that after my post. I just binge watched all of it and just finished the episode. That fukking blue ribbon scene in the last episode had me mad as hell. Glad to see Brendan is at least getting help towards a fair trial.
I was just browsing around reading the reactions to everything, and I see Anonymous is helping Steven
Strang sums it up perfectly... he's not certain if Steven Avery is innocent, but he knows the evidence in the case didn't warrant a guilty conviction.
Stevie Wonder could have found Teresa's key if it was where it supposedly was in Steven's room. Wasn't obstructed by anything...just sitting out in the open, visible to the naked eye.
But it took SEVEN searches for an officer/detective to find that key, and it was found by no other than Lenk... yeah, I bet.
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This might be the best season of any TV show, ever, fiction and non-fiction.
Steven had twins before he went to jail in 85 right? They didn't appear in this at all besides photos. His daughter did, at least when she was a baby.
Steven had twins before he went to jail in 85 right? They didn't appear in this at all besides photos. His daughter did, at least when she was a baby.
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They showed his daughter came with his mom to the jail once. She brought her kid (Stevens granddaughter) with her.
It also sounded like he had a messy divorce with the death threats in the letters.
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New Kratz interview with People Magazine. Says that the Netflix documentary left out critical evidence. Some highlights...
A 'Targeted' Crime? Kratz, who says he was contacted by filmmakers Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos but declined to be interviewed for the series, believes Avery "targeted" Halbach.
He cites Halbach's Oct. 10, 2005 visit to the property owned by Avery's family for a photo shoot for AutoTrader magazine: According to Kratz, Avery allegedly opened his door "just wearing a towel."
"She was creeped out [by him]," Kratz says by phone, later adding by email: "She [went to her employer and] said she would not go back because she was scared of him."
At 8:12 a.m. on Oct. 31, the day Halbach was killed, Kratz says Avery called AutoTradermagazine and asked them to send "that same girl who was here last time." He says that Halbach knew Avery was leery of him, so he allegedly gave his sister's name and number to "trick" Halbach into coming.
"Phone records show three calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct. 31," says Kratz. "One at 2:24 [p.m.], and one at 2:35 – both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it's him...both placed before she arrives.
"Then one last call at 4:35 p.m., without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up…so tries to establish the alibi call after she's already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn't need the *67 feature for that last call."
During his time in prison for a rape he was later cleared of, Kratz says Avery allegedly "told another inmate of his intent to build a 'torture chamber' so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released." Kratz adds, "He even drew a diagram."
Kratz also claims that "another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to 'burn it.' " Halbach's bones were discovered in the fire pit behind Avery's house. He says "were 'intertwined' with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn," says Kratz, disputing the defense's allegation that Halbach was burned elsewhere and her bones were later moved.
"Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere – never identified as Teresa's – were from this murder was never established," he adds.
According to Kratz, Avery's DNA, which he says was not taken from his blood, was also found under the hood of Halbach's car, a Toyota RAV4. "How did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery's sweat?" asks Kratz. Defense attorneys alleged that Avery's blood, which was found in Halbach's car, may have been planted, taken from a vial of Avery's blood that was 11 years old.
Kratz also claims that a bullet, recovered from Avery's garage, couldn't possibly have been planted by police, as the defense also alleged. "Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery's rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since Nov. 6, 2005," says Kratz. "If the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from [Avery's] gun? This rifle, hanging over Avery's bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa's DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired before Nov. 5."
A 'Targeted' Crime? Kratz, who says he was contacted by filmmakers Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos but declined to be interviewed for the series, believes Avery "targeted" Halbach.
He cites Halbach's Oct. 10, 2005 visit to the property owned by Avery's family for a photo shoot for AutoTrader magazine: According to Kratz, Avery allegedly opened his door "just wearing a towel."
"She was creeped out [by him]," Kratz says by phone, later adding by email: "She [went to her employer and] said she would not go back because she was scared of him."
At 8:12 a.m. on Oct. 31, the day Halbach was killed, Kratz says Avery called AutoTradermagazine and asked them to send "that same girl who was here last time." He says that Halbach knew Avery was leery of him, so he allegedly gave his sister's name and number to "trick" Halbach into coming.
"Phone records show three calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct. 31," says Kratz. "One at 2:24 [p.m.], and one at 2:35 – both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it's him...both placed before she arrives.
"Then one last call at 4:35 p.m., without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up…so tries to establish the alibi call after she's already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn't need the *67 feature for that last call."
During his time in prison for a rape he was later cleared of, Kratz says Avery allegedly "told another inmate of his intent to build a 'torture chamber' so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released." Kratz adds, "He even drew a diagram."
Kratz also claims that "another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to 'burn it.' " Halbach's bones were discovered in the fire pit behind Avery's house. He says "were 'intertwined' with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn," says Kratz, disputing the defense's allegation that Halbach was burned elsewhere and her bones were later moved.
"Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere – never identified as Teresa's – were from this murder was never established," he adds.
According to Kratz, Avery's DNA, which he says was not taken from his blood, was also found under the hood of Halbach's car, a Toyota RAV4. "How did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery's sweat?" asks Kratz. Defense attorneys alleged that Avery's blood, which was found in Halbach's car, may have been planted, taken from a vial of Avery's blood that was 11 years old.
Kratz also claims that a bullet, recovered from Avery's garage, couldn't possibly have been planted by police, as the defense also alleged. "Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery's rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since Nov. 6, 2005," says Kratz. "If the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from [Avery's] gun? This rifle, hanging over Avery's bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa's DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired before Nov. 5."
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JulesWinfield
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This is the most infuriating documentary I've ever watched. I don't believe that Steven Avery did it. I'm very suspicious of the roommate who didn't report the girl missing for 4 days and the ex-boyfriend. I don't see any evidence that leads to Steven Avery having done it (all of the supposed evidence found was compromised imo). The vial of blood was the biggest mind fukk for me. In my mind, that should have been the nail in the coffin for the Prosecutor's case but I guess they needed someone specific to pin it on to prove that someone planted the blood in the Rav-4. Brendan is even less likely to have been involved. I've never wished death on anybody but god damn it, the cops, the DA, that public defender, all of them deserve to burn in hell for this injustice.
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I'm no legal eagle... but why wasn't there any investigation into who compromised the vial and who broke the evidence tape then attempted to put scotch tape over the rip?
if they took an exact amount of dudes blood in the 94 case, could they in any way tell exactly how much was missing?
how did they manage to poke a hole in the top of the vial and not spill any on top ?