Nelly Wanted To 'Kick Somebody's Ass' Over Spelman's Protest Of 'Tip Drill' (VIDEO)

[TLOL is back]

Let women die of cancer because you're a feminized pansy brehs

 

[El Bombi]

You guys are such idiots. They were willing to have the drive as long as he participated in an open forum with him over the video. He chose not to, so in the end it's his fault it didn't happen.

Did they have a open forum with 2 Chainz, before they paid him $50,000 to perform booty songs at their school?

 

[The Real]

Shut the fukk up breh. Those hoes want to say Nellys tip drill is derogatory to females then years later have 2chains perform there? Thats a huge back track. Meaning his sister died for nothing. Those females are hypocrites that were looking for attention and you sound like a fukking punk siding with them after see the results of the protest.

Spelman is controlled by white men as a breeding ground for Negro Bed Wench. They take donation from white companies like Viacom, that broadcast black women looking like sluts. But do they protest them? HELL NO

First, you've got the portrayal all wrong. Nelly was the one who approached them and told them that HE would only hold the event if THEY agreed not to confront him about the video. They said they would confront him either way, so HE cancelled the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_Drill_(song)

Just like a sports team can consist of completely different players between to 10 year intervals, a college consists of a completely different student body in 9 years. The Nelly incident has nothing to do with 2Chains in terms of the students who were involved in protesting or not protesting. There's nothing hypocritical there.

There's a difference between college administration and the students who protested. The administration taking money from Viacom has nothing to do with the students protesting whatever they want to protest. Students all over the country are protesting things that their own colleges do right now.

And of course, Viacom protests Black women looking like that because there's an audience for it- an audience that includes all the tapdancing, confused men in this thread trying to defend Tip Drill.

Sorry if people didnt want to let you degrade black women so you could save your sisters life. Hes lucky no one in atl dropped the hammer on him.

Very real post.

 

[The Real]

You guys are such idiots. They were willing to have the drive as long as he participated in an open forum with him over the video. He chose not to, so in the end it's his fault it didn't happen.

Close thread, btw. Nelly was the one who cancelled the event, not them. He told them he would only hold the event if they agreed beforehand not to raise any issues over the Tip Drill video.

 

[TLOL is back]

I suppose you can technically blame him, but it is still their fault for setting any kind of condition over the drive. Feminists are borderline sociopaths, preferring women die of cancer for their stupid cause.

 

[the cac mamba]

You guys are such idiots. They were willing to have the drive as long as he participated in an open forum with him over the video. He chose not to, so in the end it's his fault it didn't happen.

end thread is right. if this is the case then hes a clown

also, whose ass does he wanna kick? 20 year old girls

 

[The Real]

I suppose you can technically blame him, but it is still their fault for setting any kind of condition over the drive. Feminists are borderline sociopaths, preferring women die of cancer for their stupid cause.

Nah. This is about Black women dealing with the way Black women are represented in Black and non-Black media. It's not a stupid cause, anymore than Jewish people dealing with Jewish stereotypes in the media is. Would you donate to an anti-Semite begging you for money for his sister? If not, then why should Black women donate when solicited by someone who made money on degrading them? It's not simply a "feminist" issue- these are stereotypes specific to Black women, so it's a race issue, too, which a lot of men don't seem to understand.

 

[TLOL is back]

Nah. This is about Black women dealing with the way Black women are represented in Black and non-Black media. It's not a stupid cause, anymore than Jewish people dealing with Jewish stereotypes in the media is. Would you donate to an anti-Semite begging you for money for his sister? If not, then why should Black women donate when solicited by someone who made money on degrading them? It's not simply a "feminist" issue- these are stereotypes specific to Black women, so it's a race issue, too, which a lot of men don't seem to understand.

No, this is not an issue specialized for black women. All women strip in their videos. It is not degrading to women, it is degrading to those women. The women are stripping voluntarily. They are shaking their asses voluntarily.

If Mel Gibson's sister was dying of cancer, I would not try to block him from saving her because I'm not a sociopath.

 

[Richard Wright]

That still doesn't change the fact that black degenerate culture is the black man's problem, not the white man's problem which you try to imply from your first post.

Those 'nikkas' are not my problem though. They dont speak for or represent me.

 

[The Real]

No, this is not an issue specialized for black women. All women strip in their videos. It is not degrading to women, it is degrading to those women. The women are stripping voluntarily. They are shaking their asses voluntarily.

If Mel Gibson's sister was dying of cancer, I would not try to block him from raising charity for her because I'm not a sociopath.

They didn't try to block him, though. All they did was ask him to sit down and hear them out. He refused to do that. If you're not even willing to listen to what Black women talk about a racial issue you might be unwittingly participating in, as a Black man no less, then yes, the fault is with you, not with them. I don't agree with not donating to his sister, but at the end of the day, his share of the blame is the lion's share. Second, you've got the portrayal all wrong. Nelly was the one who approached them and told them that HE would only hold the event if THEY agreed not to confront him about the video. They said they would confront him either way, so HE cancelled the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_Drill_(song)

And it is definitely an issue for Black women in general, seeing as they are the ones most consistently represented in that manner in popular media, so there is a definite racial element here. Again- you have no trouble seeing how depicting Jewish people as cheap, conspiratorially-connected cabal of exploiters on tv is an issue for all Jewish people (the stereotypes that were used to justify the Holocaust,) regardless of whether or not the Jewish actors playing those parts took them on voluntarily and were personally degraded in the process, and even if other people are occasionally depicted in that way, too. There were Jewish actors in Hitler's propaganda vids. The same is true in this case. Trying to trivialize this issue is wrong. This isn't some internet, tumblr "feminist" nonsense. It's basic desire to have some balance in media portrayals, something all groups want and deserve.

 

[TLOL is back]

They didn't try to block him, though. All they did was ask him to sit down and hear them out. He refused to do that. If you're not even willing to listen to what Black women talk about a racial issue you might be unwittingly participating in, as a Black man no less, then yes, the fault is with you, not with them. I don't agree with not donating to his sister, but at the end of the day, his share of the blame is the lion's share. Second, you've got the portrayal all wrong. Nelly was the one who approached them and told them that HE would only hold the event if THEY agreed not to confront him about the video. They said they would confront him either way, so HE cancelled the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_Drill_(song)

Thanks for the link

Spelman Feminist Majority Leadership Alliance President Moya Bailey and Leana Cabral named Nelly the Misogynist of the Month and the flyers they and other members placed on campus prompted the foundation to cancel the drive.

Why the fukk would Nelly want to talk about their retarded concerns during an event of him trying to help his sister survive cancer?

And it is definitely an issue for Black women in general, seeing as they are the ones most consistently represented in that manner in popular media, so there is a definite racial element here. Again- you have no trouble seeing how depicting Jewish people as cheap, conspiratorially-connected cabal of exploiters on tv is an issue for all Jewish people (the stereotypes that were used to justify the Holocaust,) regardless of whether or not the Jewish actors playing those parts took them on voluntarily and were personally degraded in the process, and even if other people are occasionally depicted in that way, too. There were Jewish actors in Hitler's propaganda vids. The same is true in this case. Trying to trivialize this issue is wrong. This isn't some internet, tumblr "feminist" nonsense. It's basic desire to have some balance in media portrayals, something all groups want and deserve.

Again, feminist bullshyt and your comparison with Jewish stereotypes is equally stupid. People actually believe Jews are cheap, etc. Are you trying to say that there are people out there who think the typical black woman allows credit cards to go through her ass crack? Are you trying to say that there are people who think the average black woman walks around topless and strips for money? There are no such stereotypes about black women.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

No, this is not an issue specialized for black women. All women strip in their videos. It is not degrading to women, it is degrading to those women. The women are stripping voluntarily. They are shaking their asses voluntarily.

If Mel Gibson's sister was dying of cancer, I would not try to block him from saving her because I'm not a sociopath.

I think you raise a fair point, in that raising awareness and money for cancer was certainly of a higher priority than making nelly answer questions about tip drill, and that the women involved should have recognized this...Im with you, but your logic is stupid and messy. On one hand you say the portrayal of women dancing in rap videos only reflects on the participants in the video, and not women as a whole, yet you condemn all "feminists" as "borderline sociopaths" who all somehow prefer that women die of cancer, based on the actions of a few women at spellman. Beyond contradictory.

 

[Serious]

also, whose ass does he wanna hit? 20 year old girls

 

[The Real]

Thanks for the link

Spelman Feminist Majority Leadership Alliance President Moya Bailey and Leana Cabral named Nelly the Misogynist of the Month and the flyers they and other members placed on campus prompted the foundation to cancel the drive.

Why the fukk would Nelly want to talk about their retarded concerns during an event of him trying to help his sister survive cancer?



Again, feminist bullshyt and your comparison with Jewish stereotypes is equally stupid. People actually believe Jews are cheap, etc. Are you trying to say that there are people out there who think the typical black woman allows credit cards to go through her ass crack? Are you trying to say that there are people who think the average black woman walks around topless and strips for money? There are no such stereotypes about black women.

The Spelman student government (not just the feminist alliance or whatever) saw it as a good opportunity to start a discussion on the issue, since Nelly is a man who cares about the women in his own life, including not showing his own daughter the Tip Drill video, while contributing to stereotypes against other Black women through his career. And it didn't have to be during the event. They could have set a separate time for it. Anyway, it was his decision to cancel. The students didn't even try to cancel it. Plus, all the students in the feminist alliance signed up to donate bone marrow.

And yes, there are tons of people who think of Black women as "hos" and little else, including on this forum, including in this very thread. There are whole studies on the topic done in psychology and sociology. Stop being so literal with the credit card thing- you yourself know you're too smart for that. We're talking about general concepts, like "cheap" or "ho," not specific acts.

 

[theworldismine13]

Gotcha: An Open Letter to Nelly
http://raprehab.com/gotcha-an-open-letter-to-nelly/

Source: Black Youth Project

Dear Nelly,

At the urging of others, I am taking a hesitant trip down memory lane. I was a 19 year old junior and president of the feminist group at Spelman College when you decided to hold a bone marrow registration drive on our campus on behalf of your sister, who needed a transplant. Your now-infamous video “Tip Drill” had started airing on shows like BET’s Uncut. It features, most memorably, a scene where you slide a credit card down the crack of a black woman’s butt. My group raised questions about the misogynoir in the video and lyrics, and when we heard that you were invited to campus by our Student Government Association, it seemed fair to us that we could ask you about the dehumanizing treatment of black women while you were asking us for our help. You declined our offer to talk about your music and lyrics. Instead, you chose to go to the press, which made our alleged threat of a protest an international news story. In the time since, whenever asked about the situation, you both mischaracterize what happened and lament not using violence, something you repeated most recently during a Huffpost Live interview earlier this week. Let’s be clear: No student or faculty member of Spelman College canceled your bone marrow registration drive. In fact, we held our own drive after you and your people chose to cancel the bone marrow registration drive for fear that there might have been a protest.

Had you decided to come, to just talk with us, you would have seen fewer than ten “protesters,” all of whom were planning to register to donate bone marrow, despite your refusal to hear us. I say “protesters” because we didn’t actually get to have a conversation. What started as a simple request that you speak with a small group of concerned students about representations of women in your lyrics and videos turned into a national conversation about misogyny, race, and class in hip hop culture. But the dialog our actions started stalled because people remained hung up on the same concerns. People railed against censorship as if our efforts were an attempt to get you banned from the airwaves, when all we really wanted was to have a conversation about the representations you produce and their potential impact on our communities.

Often Black feminists are represented as advocates for censorship. People often portray us as sex-hating, stick-in-the-mud conservatives concerned with respectability. That couldn’t be further from the truth. In fact, we like sex so much (NSFW) we dare to think that women should enjoy it and not be subjugated to images that define our sexuality in limited ways. Music videos and lyrics, including yours, often portray women as silent partners and objects of male attention. This silence, Nelly, is not unlike the silence you expected from us regarding your visit. Women are instructed in many songs about what to do, wear, drink, how to dance and behave to make themselves appealing to men.

The heterosexist and cissexist nature of these images reinforces the idea that women’s sexuality, our bodies, are not our own and are ultimately in the service of men’s needs. “It must be ya ass cause it ain’t your face,” literally reduces women’s value to the attractiveness of their body parts.

As much as we’d like to rid the world, particularly our safe spaces like Spelman College, of misogyny, we know that censoring music and images is not the solution. We also know that at a private institution devoted to the well-being of women of the African Diaspora we can and should cultivate an environment that doesn’t assault our very humanity. These are two entirely different projects and the later is often confused with the former. We have and had the right to ask questions of you, especially when you are asking something so important of us.

It has been ten years and yet here we are. You continue to say that we canceled the drive when your organization decided to stop it. You continue to not so subtly blame us for the transition of your sister even though Spelman still had a bone marrow registration drive–one that actually had more attendees than were initially signed up for your event. All of the “protesters” made the decision to register to ensure that the goals of the drive were honored. A few of us were already on the registry. If after all this we are still to blame for your sister’s passing, can we blame you then for the misogynoir that we face daily?

The timing of your interview and the release of Lilly Allen’s video that borrows so heavily from “Tip Drill” just hurts my head. Solidarity is indeed for white women and Black Power is indeed for Black men. I guess you have a new album to promote so you were willing to be used for clicks and page views through the dredging up of this long passed controversy. All in a day’s work, I guess.

I will say that I did find something compelling in your interview. You are right: We should protest strip clubs, but not for the reasons you think. Any strip club or business that doesn’t provide benefits, unions, safe working conditions, paid sick leave, child care, etc., deserves our collective outrage. We should all be really mad about a lot of people’s places of employment–and what their employers often demand of them. We all deserve better. Women who work on music video sets, at strip clubs in Atlanta, our Spelman sisters and not, Nelly, even your sister deserves better than to serve as the scapegoat for your lack of accountability and refusal to recognize black women as more than bodies to be used as you see fit.

If you want to check my resume and my work, please, go right ahead. Know that this was no flash in the pan for me or most of the Spelman sisters involved.

Glad to know if you had it do over again you would have “kicked some ass.”

Just name the time and place, sir. I’m ready.

Love,

Moya

Moya Bailey is an African American Studies postdoctoral fellow at Penn State University. Her current work focuses on constructs of health and normativity within a US context. She is interested in how race, gender, and sexuality are represented in media and medicine. She is the co-conspirator of Quirky Black Girls, a digital collective of strange and different Black girls. She also co-curates the #transformdh initiative in Digital Humanities.

im not taking sides, just posting FYI