NBA Weighs Retroactive Penalties For Floppers

[Gravity]

There is a big difference between exaggerating contact and flopping....and most people are smart enough to understand that

The only difference is in the degree, but it's all the same. Exaggerating contact is flopping.

 

[HHR]

The only difference is in the degree, but it's all the same. Exaggerating contact is flopping.

Not really.

It's obvious which kind of flops need to be taken out of the game...

 

[Hawaiian Punch]

SMH @ Dan Gilbert in the meeting room making all decisions on a basis of stopping LeBron.

You know he in that meeting like "any small forwards that play for any team, and decides on national tv to take their talents elsewhere should be find retroactively and forced to return to their original team!"

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

The only difference is in the degree, but it's all the same. Exaggerating contact is flopping.

You're supposed to exaggerate contact to take a charge. You take it in the chest and fall backward to absorb the contact. If the offensive player is smart and makes a move to avoid the contact or barely makes contact and the defensive player still falls back or starts to fall before contact is even made, that's just a bad defensive play and should be a no call/possible block. But its not the same thing as the "exaggerated contact" where someone grazes you and you go flying or fall down grabbing your face like some soccer player. That's a true flop, just lying and acting like a bytch, and should be punished. Fines at the minimum.

 

[Gravity]

Not really.

It's obvious which kind of flops need to be taken out of the game...

Ok so not all flops should be outlawed, jus certain kinds? At least you can admit that it's anytime you try game the ref out of a call by exaggerating contact, it's flopping.

 

[HHR]

I'm not going to argue semantics

 

[superunknown23]

 

[Constellations]

Yes it's obvious, I'm just not willing to give them a pass like you all seem to. I'm saying that they should call what they see, and stop assuming calls based on a players reaction. What does not having the ability to e everywhere at once have to do with that? Besides there are 3 refs calling a game, they're not asked to be everywhere at all times. The plea about them not having a good view is weak too. They're right there on the court. This isn't football, a basket ball court is 94 feet. If they aren't in good position to call the game then that's their fault. Look, I'm not saying that calling a game as a ref is easy, but these excuses for their incompetence are terrible.

As far as having the refs stop the game or slow it up to review flops, only if theyre going to do the same for bad calls. Why not just give the coaches challenges like they do in football? No, I wouldn't want the game slowed down so that the refs can review what is and isn't a flop. Dumb idea. The referees should just get better at their job, that's what I'm arguing.

You're oversimplifying the issue though. Calling flops isnt as easy as it seems. A ref cant judge the impact or strength of something, even if its right in front of him. Sometimes it isnt so obvious.

For example, say Lebron is backing someone down in the post and he gives a light elbow jab to the defender. And the defender falls back even though there wasnt much force. A referee might not be able to judge how hard the contact was.

Thats where a slow-mo replay comes in, and like other posters have said, it wouldnt take as long as an NFL challenge would.

 

[Grifter]

 

[HHR]

Not accounting for flopping...the players reaction is how you judge how hard contact was. How the fukk are you supposed to ignore that?

 

[Da Jungles]

but vlade isn't dead

It's a joke pimp

 

[Gravity]

You're oversimplifying the issue though. Calling flops isnt as easy as it seems. A ref cant judge the impact or strength of something, even if its right in front of him. Sometimes it isnt so obvious.

For example, say Lebron is backing someone down in the post and he gives a light elbow jab to the defender. And the defender falls back even though there wasnt much force. A referee might not be able to judge how hard the contact was.

Thats where a slow-mo replay comes in, and like other posters have said, it wouldnt take as long as an NFL challenge would.

I'm not oversimplifying anything. I've conceded that being a ref isn't "easy", I'm just not going to accept that as a valid excuse for blatant incompetence. I don't get you all, on one hand you want to cry on and on about flops but on the other hand you want to excuse the refs for falling for them. You want to blame the players for playing the game. That doesn't make sense. You people want to penalize the players for trying to get an edge within the rules. It's nonsense. In your Lebron example, the ref should be able to judge how much force is actually being used and whether it was enough to warrant the players reaction. If he can't do that then he's not a good ref. It's that simple. You all are just being obtuse anyway. We all know that the flops that people are crying about are the obvious ones where players are falling down/reacting violently after barely being touched if at all. Like a pg running a pick and roll then jerking his head and body as if he's been hipchecked as he tries to get around the defender stepping out to hedge. Or a defender just falling down as if he's been hit with an elbow as the offensive player swings the ball in front if his face, IE Chris Bosh last year. There's no excuse for those, and those bad calls are a result of refs being lazy, assuming calls based on players reaction.

You're supposed to exaggerate contact to take a charge. You take it in the chest and fall backward to absorb the contact. If the offensive player is smart and makes a move to avoid the contact or barely makes contact and the defensive player still falls back or starts to fall before contact is even made, that's just a bad defensive play and should be a no call/possible block. But its not the same thing as the "exaggerated contact" where someone grazes you and you go flying or fall down grabbing your face like some soccer player. That's a true flop, just lying and acting like a bytch, and should be punished. Fines at the minimum.

What you just said is nonsensical, and the idea of fining players for certain kinds of flops is dumb. One of the reasons why trying to outlaw flopping will be hard is that it's such a big part of the game. You can "flop" and still be legitimately fouled. Like I said, the refs just need to get better at their job. It's a simple solution.

 

[HHR]

"Flopping" when you're legitimately fouled isn't what's hurting the game though...

 

[Gravity]

Not accounting for flopping...the players reaction is how you judge how hard contact was. How the fukk are you supposed to ignore that?

I didn't say that they should ignore how players react, I'm saying that they shouldn't make calls solely on a players reaction. If all you see is the players reaction without actually seeing any contact, then you shouldn't make a call. Can you read?

"Flopping" when you're legitimately fouled isn't what's hurting the game though...

It's still flopping though. If you're for flopping being against the rules, then that has to go for all flopping and not just the flopping that you don't like. It's called consistency.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

What you just said is nonsensical, and the idea of fining players for certain kinds of flops is dumb. One of the reasons why trying to outlaw flopping will be hard is that it's such a big part of the game. You can "flop" and still be legitimately fouled. Like I said, the refs just need to get better at their job. It's a simple solution.

Once again, taking a charge correctly is not a flop. If that concept seems "nonsensical" to you then you need to learn more about basketball.