Nas - Magic (Discussion Thread)

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this is actually the only lines on the whole album that bugs me

he says the ONLY thing undefeated is time, and then names two more things

How is the internet undefeated? I guess I don’t understand that part

and the rhyme being undefeated is a little corny

probably the only part of the whole album I’m not feeling
Ok let me help you out. There is a saying in the sports world “father time is undefeated”. Basically the meaning of the phrase is that no matter how good an athlete is, time catches up to them. That’s where the ONLY comes from. only time is undefeated.

but there is also a saying “the internet is undefeated” meaning the internet will always find a way to meme something.

Nas is referencing those two sayings and then adding himself as a third thing that is undefeated. He’s just playing on those sayings. He is not saying the only thing undefeated is time, he is just referencing the saying.
 

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I would respect it if he stuck with it, but 9 times out of 10 if you compare his first remarks with his last he'll have done a damn near 180 (for the albums that the rest of the group will disagree on).
That's really true. I would respect it if he stuck with how he felt in the first place.
 

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That's really true. I would respect it if he stuck with how he felt in the first place.
I think the reason Feefo doesn’t stick with his statements is because of two things. The first is that he didn’t grow up listening to hip hop. It was around him but he was never a hip hop head like the others so he respects their views. Feefo was always the “it bumps in the whip” guy, but over time has expanded his taste based on the other guys recommendations.

the second thing is that the reviews are discussions, and they don’t talk about the albums until they are sitting down together, so in that discussion he seems pretty open to hear what the others have to say.
 

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I think the reason Feefo doesn’t stick with his statements is because of two things. The first is that he didn’t grow up listening to hip hop. It was around him but he was never a hip hop head like the others so he respects their views. Feefo was always the “it bumps in the whip” guy, but over time has expanded his taste based on the other guys recommendations.

the second thing is that the reviews are discussions, and they don’t talk about the albums until they are sitting down together, so in that discussion he seems pretty open to hear what the others have to say.
True.
 

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The only line i don't really don't fukk with on this album AT ALL is the Kendrick, Drake & J Cole line...:hhh:
The statement is accurate though when it comes to star power of nas jay and big. Cole, drake and Kendrick fit that mold for this generation.
 

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Breh, it's the media. The only thing a person can do to combat the media is have their own platforms to control their narratives or what Ant suggested. Going at them on social media or replying every time they write something negative about Nas is only going to make them go harder. Nas has fired back at critics in his music. There was the XXL cover. They still publish BS about him to this day. There's an entire book by Byron Crawford called Nas Lost. Do you know how obsessive these entities have to be to go to the lengths that they go through to discredit Nas? Why feed it? Nobody cared about Byron Crawford until he made it his business to post negative posts about Nas and Lupe on XXLmag.com. Because it got him and the site traffic, he went harder and got more disrespectful to the point where he was comfortable enough to publish that book.



You didn't get me

Nasir Jones is a powerful dude that doesn't use his powers.
That's the angle I'm coming from.

There's a reason there's no sense of trepidation in any of the disrespect.

It's a well known fact in the industry you'll hear from Jay or his people if they sense any disrespect. These media members are well aware of that. Furthermore, who wants to deal with the BeyHive monster

NOBODY fears any repercussion from Nas. Not even a verbal elbow. He's too cool for school
 

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I'm so glad Nas don't listen to any of you nikkas lol. Yall really want a nikka that's damn near 50, that's rich as fukk, that's probably the most respected rapper by his peers and the like, that has millions of fans that thinks he's the greatest to care about some weirdo write-ups and articles? :mjlol:The only reason Nas is the greatest is because he didn't listen to his weirdo stans and critics. Shoutout to him. Plus, he himself thinks he's the greatest. Hov would reach out and make people reach out because he's unsure of himself. He always has been, so he looks for acceptance from everyone. If yall can't win yall little Nas is the greatest arguments because of some white boy articles at Pitchfork and Rolling Stone, that's on yall and says more about you
 

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You didn't get me

Nasir Jones is a powerful dude that doesn't use his powers.
That's the angle I'm coming from.

There's a reason there's no sense of trepidation in any of the disrespect.

It's a well known fact in the industry you'll hear from Jay or his people if they sense any disrespect. These media members are well aware of that. Furthermore, who wants to deal with the BeyHive monster

NOBODY fears any repercussion from Nas. Not even a verbal elbow. He's too cool for school

Jay Z still has people that disrespect him. I mean, there's memes made out of that whole situation of him being kicked in that elevator by Solange. He caught heat for his comments about Kap. People even came at him for having anything to do with the NFL.

BeyHive is painted as toxic, they strike no fear in the media as the media is the entity who painted them as toxic. They are only known for bullying artists who came at Beyonce. They haven't done anything of significance except make Keri Hilson threaten to leave social media.

Point is, NOBODY is powerful enough to stop the media from disrespecting them. To amplify that point, the media publishes all kinds of disrespect on Presidents with no repercussions. What makes you think they fear entertainers or their respective fan bases?
 

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Just sharing some thoughts about the album opener which is the tone setter for this amazing project and I’ma admit up front I could be overthinking some stuff. It’s a discussion thread, though, so take it or leave it. :yeshrug:


Starting with the production. Sonically “Speechless” is on the darker, dirtier, grimier side when looking at Hit-Boy’s production on these three albums with Nas. It has an eerie sound with the swirling sirens and other sounds. Perfect backdrop for Nas. Rhyme-wise you get flashes of the nostalgic, introspective, and braggadocious rhymes from Nas. He has seen it all in his 30 years in the game and is somehow still at the top. On the intro and throughout he gives you the Nas experience at 48. Man, I really love this collab. It truly has been magical.

I don't even know what's goin' on no more
I don't even know what's happenin', man
Ain't no answers
I'ma figure some shyt out though, ya hear?
You know? Yeah, yeah
Just tryna get my weight up
Tryna get all my watches in order
Get my safe up, get great

It’s interesting that the album starts with prophet Nas revealing he doesn’t know what’s going on. Maybe a touch of humility after all that he’s gone through. Perhaps reflection that comes in the wake of his childhood friend Taheim getting gunned down earlier last year. Or he is just reflecting the mood with our still going through this pandemic and wondering when we’ll come out of it. Or maybe pondering the political turmoil and social unrest we seem to be perpetually mired in. Whatever it is, Nas seems ready to forge forward and to make the best of it.

I'm twenty-one years past the 27 Club
It's like I went back into my past and then I sped it up
Robert Johnson, Winehouse and Morrison found where heaven was
Heaven on Earth, this shyt is magic with no fairy dust

Because Nas’s career now spans three decades it’s almost like he has this tapestry of rhymes where one bar from ages ago connects to rhymes of today and it documents his life in some ways. I can still vividly remember back when he was 12 and he was on his way to hell for snuffing Jesus. Then he woke up early on [his] born day at 20 and I recall him saying how it was a blessing and how the essence of adolescence had left his body. Now we’re 28 years from that and he’s an elder statesman; he’s literally grown up in the rap game and has documented his life along the way. As a fan, it’s that autobiographical component that has made the music even more compelling. With him referencing the cultural phenomenon that is some of the most famous musicians dying early at the age of 27 (it’s kind of spooky, you got Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Cobain too among others), you can’t help but be grateful Nas is still alive especially as we have seen some of our rap legends not even make it to 27. Nas seems to align himself with musical greats while also waxing poetic about how magical music is, equating heaven to music. (Think about all the magic that has been lost from those who have past on.) It also serves to paint the scene of Nas going back in time when Nas was 27 and fast forwarding to now where he’s 48. When he was 27, it was 2000/01–the beginning of another Nas peak with Stillmatic, LT, and God’s Son on the way. This reflecting on the past and celebration of the now is a theme throughout the album and something that’s become signature of the QB veteran in these later years.

Home of the gully, gangsta, the gruesome and the scary stuff
I told my brother Jung', "fukk 'em, they gon' go through Hell with us
They don't have the history in the streets that compare with us"
Hood nikkas, they wanna be us, thugs in the St. Regis

Whereas there’s heaven in the music the circumstances that he grew up in was the opposite. The alliteration to describe his home is crazy. Feels like we’re back in QB for a moment. I’m not exactly sure who he’s addressing but he’s either dismissive of them or letting them know they can’t really match up. He also seems to be aware of his stature in his hood and how he’s viewed while embracing that he is still who they are but also highlighting that there’s some separation because of his success. Random but I always love the verses that mention his bro Jungle.

Only thing undefeated is time
The second is the internet, number three is this rhyme

One of my the coldest lines on the album. :banderas: What makes it extra cold is in this rhyme he’s recounting his rise and how he’s thrived through it all.

Before security, my dawg had to sneak in the nine
God must be on my side
I had to eat and provide, my winning streak is divine
I told dunn, "Leave the street shyt behind
Don't let 'em hype you, a slow run beats cheatin' the grind"
Dawg, I'm tellin' it like it is, you gotta deal with the consequence
When you runnin' in nikkas' cribs, nikka, you better be ready to sit

Again, the back and forth between then and now. Now he has professional security. But back then he had a friend who had to do everything on the low. But even then Nas had the knowledge and wisdom to know where the street life would end and the compassion and love for someone from his hood to encourage them to choose differently. Within this, he recognizes how blessed and favored he is that things turned out differently for him. Part of Nas’s legacy has to mention him constantly dropping these kind of jewels throughout his music.

Dope dealers, street hustlers, pop cases
Throw dice on pavement, cop chases
Big gamblers, skullies hide faces
Gang wars, hot spots, police raid it
Left 'em speechless (speechless, speechless, speechless)
Left 'em speechless (speechless, speechless, speechless)

Hot ass hook. The stop and go delivery and flow is dope. His identification and description of the street life—where he comes from and what are the consequences. The idea of folks not being able to say anything at all because of his life story/career is fitting when one has done as much as Nas has. This is rarefied air. Son is pretty much in this unprecedented third prime. :mindblown: I’m sure a lot of rap fans have to be in awe when really thinking about what Nas has accomplished and the fact that he’s still going.
 
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Wherever nikkas need to be told on
Pick a down on his luck rapper, bet he broker
The arrogance of a crackhead mad at a weed smoker
Or a pill taker who hate a distilled wine drinker
A killer who use a gun to hate on a knife swinger
Aight, I get it, it's who the littest, we in competition
"Y'all did it first"-ed me the death

This shyt is just funny. The use of humor to point out how silly some of the competitiveness is within our community. He’s definitely getting at any rapper who is not as successful and throwing darts.

I got a proposition
You and your brothers stop plottin' on each other, plot on millions
Educate yourself, find ten different areas of interest
Spread your bets out
Double down on what's working, then you double up
Hands on your paper, they send the hate no matter what you touch
Honestly, I'm speechless

Count on Nas to be above the fray and to challenge us to stop working against each other and to invest our energy in innovation and see what works. There’s also the message to focus and keep things in perspective because for whatever reason there’s jealous and envy whenever someone is trying to improve themselves and be successful. And again another example where Nas has these moments in his music where he tries to rise us up.

Fly to Greece, twenty pointers on the chain, I freaked it

I believe it was the breh Piff Perkins who pointed out how there’s maybe an entendre with a nod to Giannis. I don’t know for sure but I like that interpretation. Dope sports bar if so.

Lawn chair in the hood, sittin' comfortably


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I must be insane, givin' you bars, runnin' companies
I'm done with the redundancies, checking on my history
Making content for Viacom, license music to Tiffany's

Again, the then and now. From the QB projects to doing stuff for some of the biggest companies in the world, what a come up. Inspiring stuff.

Dope wordplay with the “I’m done with the redundancies” line. Also the theme that is referenced here that is littered throughout this project and kind of throughout his career is that he’s not trying to do the same thing over and over. “Always forward…never backwards.”

I come from
Dope dealers, street hustlers, pop cases
Throw dice on pavement, cop chases
Big gamblers, scullies, hide faces
Gang wars, hot spots, police raid it
Left 'em speechless (speechless)
Just like when the judge read the sentence
Threw your life away in minutes
Left 'em speechless (speechless)
The bounce back is the greatest feeling
When they thought that you was finished
Leave 'em speechless (speechless, speechless, speechless)
Speechless (speechless, speechless, speechless)

I ain’t got nothing else to say. This is my GOAT.
 
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Nas so goddamn cold!!!!

I don't even think people really understand "Hollywood Gangsta"

Dude shouts out the young New York dudes on their drill shyt first....

Kicks real life/nikka shyt on the 1st verse....:wtf::mindblown:

Proceeds to describe two sides of his life that we can see "hood/Hollywood"... in one fukkin song:wtf::mindblown:


and then ends the song with a chuckle and saying I'm the opposite of that:wtf::mindblown:


the fukking Golden Child of rapping and GOAT
 
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