Nas - Magic 2 (Discussion thread)

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Ya'll are really overrating Alchemist here and I don't know if its to downplay Hit or whatever. This has gotten ridiculous at this point.
Who is overrating Alc? Wtf? I’m out this thread this shyt getting ridiculous. Ask any traditional EMCEE who they hold in higher regard. I been running in these circles since the late 90s. And I LOVE and RESPECT Hit Boy. Again. I’m not thirsty for a Nas and Alc album. I’m a fan of Nas. I just want a dope Nas album, whatever producer can do that. I welcome that.
 

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You have no PROOF to back your claim which is why you sound crazy.

If we’re going by verifiable factors, its easy to make the claim that Nas and Hit Boy>>>> Nas and Alchemist. First off would be the simple fact that Nas himself has stated multiple times he wanted to lock in with Hit Boy and do an entire project. He’s NEVER stated the same desire to work with Alchemist. And one would think that, given Alc is a self professed Nas fan, that if Nas had ever wanted this pairing to happen, it would have happened more than FOUR times in 20 years. Again, these are FACTS not opinions. Soon as Nas went independent and was free to truly work with anyone he wanted with no potential industry red rape stopping him, he went to HIT BOY. Not Alchemist. Not Premo. Not insert 90’s sound evoking producer. This is FACT.

Moving on, looking at FACTS. The Nas/Hit Boy team up has been more commercially and critically successful than any pairing involving Alchemist. So there is no financial or artistic reason to say Nas should work with Alc over Hit Boy. Kings Disease produced by Hit Boy won the Grammy over Alfredo produced Alchemist. Now we can scream “fukk the Grammys” and say they have no relevance within Hip Hop culture, but the FACTS are that both Freddie and Alchemist stated they wanted to win that award, so it had some relevance to THEM.
Kings Disease 2 has higher critical acclaim than Shrines, Haram, and Bo Jackson. Kings Disease 3 was the highest acclaimed rap album of 2022. Again these aren’t opinions, they are FACTS.

So through NO verifiable metric can you make the claim that switching Alchemist with Hit Boy would equal better received music, better selling music, or more relevant music. You have an OPINION sure, and everyone is entitled to those, but to attempt to pass your OPINION as fact is again, disingenuous and an attempt to lessen Hit Boy, his ascension as a producer, his talent as a producer, and the musical inspiration that he’s given Nas. An inspiration that Alchemist clearly could not convey.
This is the problem with production credit snobs. It’s about who the ARTIST works better with. Right now. He works better with HitBoy. To think him and Alc would automatically make a better project is asinine. nikkas just need to say they would like to hear that and keep it moving and stop speaking in absolutes. Nas is inspired by Hit Boy. Whoever inspires Nas at this level. He need to keep fukking wit. At least at an executive producer capacity.
 

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Who is overrating Alc? Wtf? I’m out this thread this shyt getting ridiculous. Ask any traditional EMCEE who they hold in higher regard. I been running in these circles since the late 90s. And I LOVE and RESPECT Hit Boy. Again. I’m not thirsty for a Nas and Alc album. I’m a fan of Nas. I just want a dope Nas album, whatever producer can do that. I welcome that.

Who are we knocking out of a Top 5 to put Alchemist in? That is what I mean. And if we're talking Top 5, it shouldn't even be "traditional MC", a Top 5 caliber producer is a producer ANY MC would hold in high regard and would rush to work with if given the chance. We don't even have to question that with a RZA, Dre, Q Tip, or Premo.
 

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nikkaz in here writing Bible chapters about HitBoy :mjlol: :mjlol::mjlol:

As if he resurrected Nas’ career

News flash, Nas did that, these last 4 albums with any competent and focused producer would have brought the same acclaim because he’s Nas

Go listen to hitboys solo album and you tell me if you think he’s god level, alchemist came and dropped a piano loop on his own shyt that and was the best that album had to offer …:mjlol:

Speaking on Alchemist, dude has beats … yes beats that shyt on Hits entire catalog

You nikkaz are weirdos
 

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As for HB vs Alc, I actually like what one of the Dead End dudes said during the KD3 review - Alc would make a dope Nas sounding album, whereas Hitboy kind of created 4 different sounding albums that have Nas rapping over trap and drill and soul etc.

I fukks with both, but HB did not just drop a fukking 4peat with Esco for some of the slander in here.
Very good point the about the 4 different sounding albums
 

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nikkaz in here writing Bible chapters about HitBoy :mjlol: :mjlol::mjlol:

As if he resurrected Nas’ career

News flash, Nas did that, these last 4 albums with any competent and focused producer would have brought the same acclaim because he’s Nas

Go listen to hitboys solo album and you tell me if you think he’s god level, alchemist came and dropped a piano loop on his own shyt that and was the best that album had to offer …:mjlol:

Speaking on Alchemist, dude has beats … yes beats that shyt on Hits entire catalog

You nikkaz are weirdos

Imagine Alc vs Hit Boy in a instrumental battle.

Alc wins via murder :mjlol:
 

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Who are we knocking out of a Top 5 to put Alchemist in? That is what I mean. And if we're talking Top 5, it shouldn't even be "traditional MC", a Top 5 caliber producer is a producer ANY MC would hold in high regard and would rush to work with if given the chance. We don't even have to question that with a RZA, Dre, Q Tip, or Premo.
Can there only be top 5 great producers? I put Al in the top 10-12 and this is where I’ve seen other people in this thread put him as well. And that’s a GREAT place to be.
 

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Can there only be top 5 great producers? I put Al in the top 10-12 and this is where I’ve seen other people in this thread put him as well. And that’s a GREAT place to be.

Not saying there can only be Top 5 great producers, but the poster I was replying to was saying Alc was inarguably Top 5.
 

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You're going to have to quote where I said that.

Don't take my word for it, feel free to google who the greatest producers of all time are and good luck finding a list that doesn't mention his name up there beside RZA, Preemo, Dre etc.

^^^ Does this post not imply that Alc is inarguably Top 5? I mean, are RZA, Premo, and Dre not producers who regularly come up in Top 5 lists and you saying Google it, implies that you think Alc as a top 5 producer is consensus or something that is fact hence inarguable.
 

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^^^ Does this post not imply that Alc is inarguably Top 5? I mean, are RZA, Premo, and Dre not producers who regularly come up in Top 5 lists and you saying Google it, implies that you think Alc as a top 5 producer is consensus or something that is fact hence inarguable.
I'm just saying people consistently mention his name along with the greats. You're the one capping it at top 5 and talking about inarguable.
Argue with the wall, bro.
 
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