Nas - King's Disease II (Discussion Thread)

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@JustCKing, you didn't like "Dead Presidents?" I always thought that was GOAT-level production. :dahell:

But you had an excellent breakdown on the "Nas picks bad beats" narrative. That never made sense to me, especially considering some of the shyt Jay's rapped over. I believe Nas has always been held to a higher standard because he's a lyrical supernova, and his debut album was one of the GOAT albums in music history. Because of that, people expect to have their minds blown every time and when he started experimenting more, people didn't get it. And it was easier to shyt on the obvious misses in his catalog ("Who Killed It," "Summer on Smash") than look at the entire project.

I always said Nas' problem wasn't production, it was track selection. He's worked with every legendary producer under the sun. He might pick a song that works better for the story of the album ("Rest of My Life," "Makings of a Perfect bytch") over an objectively better song ("Talk of New York," "Serious"). But when you see what's left in the vault, it makes you wonder why these songs didn't work when they're so good.

Listening to KD2, Nas doesn't even have that problem anymore. The album is well-sequenced, consistent all the way through. There are no songs that you can point to and say "This should have been left off." Same with the original KD. All the songs fit the story, but they're objectively good to great songs. There's no desire to look at the unreleased tracks. Nothing like "Foul Breeze" or "Where Y'all At" that were left off unnecessarily.
 

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That is probably nas biggest downfall. Leaving gems off his albums. He has some bangers left off the albums. We can only imagine what the rest of the fault sounds like Haha.

I remember a few weeks before Hip Hop Is Dead dropped, there was a Def Jam insider on the Nas boards. He gave a review of the songs he heard from the listening party. Breh said "Can't Forget About You" was a 5/5 song and the best Nas song since "Heaven" from God's Son. After he said that, he said Nas had left songs that were better than "Can't Forget About You" off of HHID. I thought he was trolling until the Scratch magazine with Nas, Game, and Will.I.Am came out. In the article from that issue, Nas said he had like 5 Will.I.Am joints that were better than anything on HHID, but he was saving them for his next album. I sat there like :ohhh:. Then I was like maybe he was flexing. Untitled dropped with no Will.I.Am tracks and I pretty much forgot about them. Then years later Game dropped Documentary 2.1 and "World Is A Ghetto" is on it. That song was talked about in that Scratch article. Then I remembered Nas talking about those songs. Hearing "World Is A Ghetto" brought validity to Nas leaving some real heat off of HHID. So yeah, Nas's vault is quite possibly a Hip Hop treasure chest.
 

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@JustCKing, you didn't like "Dead Presidents?" I always thought that was GOAT-level production. :dahell:

But you had an excellent breakdown on the "Nas picks bad beats" narrative. That never made sense to me, especially considering some of the shyt Jay's rapped over. I believe Nas has always been held to a higher standard because he's a lyrical supernova, and his debut album was one of the GOAT albums in music history. Because of that, people expect to have their minds blown every time and when he started experimenting more, people didn't get it. And it was easier to shyt on the obvious misses in his catalog ("Who Killed It," "Summer on Smash") than look at the entire project.

I always said Nas' problem wasn't production, it was track selection. He's worked with every legendary producer under the sun. He might pick a song that works better for the story of the album ("Rest of My Life," "Makings of a Perfect bytch") over an objectively better song ("Talk of New York," "Serious"). But when you see what's left in the vault, it makes you wonder why these songs didn't work when they're so good.

Listening to KD2, Nas doesn't even have that problem anymore. The album is well-sequenced, consistent all the way through. There are no songs that you can point to and say "This should have been left off." Same with the original KD. All the songs fit the story, but they're objectively good to great songs. There's no desire to look at the unreleased tracks. Nothing like "Foul Breeze" or "Where Y'all At" that were left off unnecessarily.

Oh no, I think you misunderstood. I was saying "Dead Presidents" and "Feelin It" was the best of the Ski beats for Jay.
 

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That is probably nas biggest downfall. Leaving gems off his albums. He has some bangers left off the albums. We can only imagine what the rest of the fault sounds like Haha.

and despite that, he still have one of the goat catalogue. but the unreleased catalogue is also what made me a fan in the first place. I remember downloading nas' tracks from emule and kazaa and blowing my mind at some of the threasure I found out :lawd:

A another thing is we as hip hop fans tends to only judge an artist on the album and not the catalogue of songs in it's entirety. That was understandable when the physical copies were predominant, but now with the streaming it's less and less true. If streaming was there in 99, what knows how iam would have look like and how many lost tapes he coulda dropped out of the blue
 
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I remember a few weeks before Hip Hop Is Dead dropped, there was a Def Jam insider on the Nas boards. He gave a review of the songs he heard from the listening party. Breh said "Can't Forget About You" was a 5/5 song and the best Nas song since "Heaven" from God's Son. After he said that, he said Nas had left songs that were better than "Can't Forget About You" off of HHID. I thought he was trolling until the Scratch magazine with Nas, Game, and Will.I.Am came out. In the article from that issue, Nas said he had like 5 Will.I.Am joints that were better than anything on HHID, but he was saving them for his next album. I sat there like :ohhh:. Then I was like maybe he was flexing. Untitled dropped with no Will.I.Am tracks and I pretty much forgot about them. Then years later Game dropped Documentary 2.1 and "World Is A Ghetto" is on it. That song was talked about in that Scratch article. Then I remembered Nas talking about those songs. Hearing "World Is A Ghetto" brought validity to Nas leaving some real heat off of HHID. So yeah, Nas's vault is quite possibly a Hip Hop treasure chest.

Not a fan of the GAME. The World is a Ghetto is one of several songs that Nas had that I wish he would have not only put in his album but also rapped by himself.
 
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