NARUTO might be a better show than DBZ

[Kerkum]

Can someone post the comic where Bulma and Gohan look for the dragon balls after the Androids murder the Z Fighters (future timeline)

 

[Black Barbie]

So we just gonna breeze over a few hundred episodes in one sentence this dude was the last survivor a fukking warrior race that prided itself on catching bodies - and as we see him now he's struggling just trying to be a good father. shyt, when he blew himself up to save the kids Piccolo told him he was STILL going to hell. shyt, he's been developed in every single arc since introduced. Vegeta was the lesser evil all the way til the end of Buu saga foh with that "he's a good guy" attempt

meanwhile sasuke tried to fukk the world and village up how many times? and naruto still on that man's piece like aint shyt happen. fukk development. that don't even make sense don't even start with sakura's single mom ass....

 

[Kaypain]

Lightning speed punches and kicks,
Energy attacks

You don't even know wtf you're talking about that's not even half of what he could do. That nikka was fukking nikkas up with his eyes b

 

[staticshock]

This DB Super or whatever it’s called that comes on when Adult Swim first comes on is ass

 

[RoyalQ]

Naruto for me. Naruto had a more complex storyline and really moved me at times. Dbz was great but was just powering up and shyt. And I hated how goku would fukk around and get beat up for 59 minutes then power up and finish the fight in 1 minute. Like, Bruh you let this go on for 8 episodes and you could have finished this from the start

 

[Wiles]

At least Naruto has a real job

Goku rather die and train on a planet the size of Newark than be a father to his kids. This nikka flew off to go train with some other kid than his own young son at the end of DBZ.

Is there a deadbeat dad problem in Japan? It seems to be a common theme in a lot of anime.

Naruto was a simp for a pink haired bimbo

 

[Days of Future Piff]

I've been saying it the longest... Naruto fell off when they turned him into ninja royalty, because it completely went against the entire theme of hard work > natural talent that they built up in the first part. That (in addition to Naruto's obsession with caping for Sasuke) fundamentally ruined Naruto as a character going forward. On top of that, they threw most of the great side characters into the bushes.

And as much as I love DBZ for starting the wave, it started falling off after the Cell Games ended.The villains got really dumb, and pretty much everyone except Goku and Vegeta became irrelevant.

One Piece, Hunter x Hunter, Jojo's, and Fullmetal Alchemist are all better written stories than both of those joints.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Bleach >>>>> DBZ >>>>>> Naruto

 

[4-Rin]

Bleach >>>>> DBZ >>>>>> Naruto

One Piece the goat shounen

 

[DJSmooth]

One Piece the goat shounen

One Piece is much too long of a show. An anime has to know when to end.

 

[Kairi Irving]

This is like saying saints row is a better franchise than GTA

 

[Days of Future Piff]

One Piece is much too long of a show. An anime has to know when to end.

He's right though. The anime has serious pacing issues, but the manga is a top 5 comic of all time (in any medium).

There's levels to the writing that you're not going to see in the likes of other shonen. The foreshadowing, the reinforcement of central themes, the buildup, and the consistency of the series' writing is on a whole different level compared to your typical shonen.



I could never get into Bleach post-Soul Society.
Maybe they address this point later on, but my question has to do with Ichigo. What are his goals in life? What is he after? I know that the Elric Brothers want to get their bodies back, that Gon wants to find his dad, that Luffy wants to be the Pirate King, and that Naruto wants to be Hokage.

What are Ichigo's motivations? Do they ever explain that? (Honest question.)

 

[Cadillac]

And as much as I love DBZ for starting the wave, it started falling off after the Cell Games ended.The villains got really dumb, and pretty much everyone except Goku and Vegeta became irrelevant.

are you counting Super, because if your counting DBZ, majin buu is the only main antagonist after Cell. and his goal to destroy makes sense.

@bold: DB is a martial art series, Goke and vegeta becoming the most relevant and only ones can be irritating but it calls for it given they are the only two motivated to do it

He's right though. The anime has serious pacing issues, but the manga is a top 5 comic of all time (in any medium).

There's levels to the writing that you're not going to see in the likes of other shonen. The foreshadowing, the reinforcement of central themes, the buildup, and the consistency of the series' writing is on a whole different level compared to your typical shonen.

Im a OP fan but no, and OP is def the GOAT to me. OP does what other shonens do, its just excuted in a Oda type of way that either includes it being very wacky or having his falvor/touch to it.
what Oda does as described in that vid and what you hyping is what otherseries(im talking novels, everything) do. Its not unique to it.

what makes the series stand out is its large scale , and its consistency,, its wacky approach to things, its length, its ability to blend genres and worlds(it being able to mix all sorts of things up, from mafia, to Disney elements, to shounen, to Horror, etc), as well as its creativity. And obviously its Adventurous spirit and universe/setting.

Foreshadowing is also a bit overrated because honestly a lot of what Oda does is leave things vague sometimes and returns to it if it fits for him or if he writes himself in a corner.(nothing wrong with that) Some of those ideas that he may come off as foreshadowing he likely never payed no mind to until it came about.

Plus the universe of OP gives him leeway to pull off some shyt, he wouldn't be able to if the world wasn't crazy and fantastical as it is.

example^^ : Denjiro becoming Kyoshiro because he was so angry he got possessed.

as for the other things nah OP does it the same way to, altho you can argue it its a lot more smoother in how it does it, but its still the same

I could never get into Bleach post-Soul Society.
Maybe they address this point later on, but my question has to do with Ichigo. What are his goals in life? What is he after? I know that the Elric Brothers want to get their bodies back, that Gon wants to find his dad, that Luffy wants to be the Pirate King, and that Naruto wants to be Hokage.

What are Ichigo's motivations? Do they ever explain that? (Honest question.)

Its to protect his friends, and it makes sense, Ichigo doesnt need to have a goal to do this or that. Bleach is a series that does not call for another Luffy or Naruto. Espescially given that its a Low-fantasy series whereas your comparing them to more protagonist of High fantasy settings(Luffy, Naruto).

it wouldn't make sense or fit. Hes a normal highschool kid, who came across and stumbled on afterlife/supernatural fukkery.

hes not a Disney esque young adult pirate seeking out adventure, or a ninja who wants respect.

He is a teenager who slipped into this supernatural shyt. unitentionally

 

[Cadillac]

this thread should prolly be moved to The Film Room.would prolly have more of a discussion to continue this thread if it was in there

 

[Pseudonym]

I have to disagree...dbz is better

Fukk that pink haired ho in Naruto( forget her name, not gonna look it up)