Napoleon's Thoughts on Bernie Sanders

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

and who makes up most white people? the 'working class'

all you did was prove his point

Nah, I can't co-sign. The legions of white professionals out there also voted for Trump, and they're not some small minority.

Bernie's point is that the WWC is what we need to target so that liberals can win elections, but he's wrong because the election didn't turn on just the WWC. It turned on white professionals and rich white people, and while the latter is a small population, the former is not.

Why not target white, college-educated professionals? White women? See what word keeps coming up here? "White."

That's where any discussion of who got Trump elected should begin and end.

 

[Oville]

Nah, I can't co-sign. The legions of white professionals out there also voted for Trump, and they're not some small minority.

Bernie's point is that the WWC is what we need to target so that liberals can win elections, but he's wrong because the election didn't turn on just the WWC. It turned on white professionals and rich white people, and while the latter is a small population, the former is not.

Why not target white, college-educated professionals? White women? See what word keeps coming up here? "White."

That's where any discussion of who got Trump elected should begin and end.

I don't think its necessarily a zero-sum game. You can appeal to both. Again, some of these states that voted for Trump were Blue states and swing states.

 

[88m3]

Why do you disagree with the idea that the hundreds of billions of dollars being spent waging war against muslims in their own land would be better spent in urban reinvigoration for predominantly black cities?

This has nothing to do with nafta

 

[88m3]

Like Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Michael Moore etc. etc.

 

[Pressure]

Who cares what a bomani Jones' lackey has to say. He's a Podcaster / comedian / former coli poster.

Yes, white racist voters voted for Trump. What's your point. Hilary lost more votes but if you want to talk about the area's where she lost it was clearly in white working class states. Before you say oh those were all racist states. Many of those white working class states were blue states. SHE fukkED UP!!!

Hillary carried the black vote in the south.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

I don't think its necessarily a zero-sum game. You can appeal to both. Again, some of these states that voted for Trump were Blue states and swing states.

I am beginning to increasingly think that you can't appeal to them. Obama's presidency made white people crazier about race than they previously were, and more openly crazy at that.

But setting aside your point (and I'm not against trying to appeal to them as well, though I think the better strategy is to energize the 35% of white voters that you do have and all of your minority voters to come out and vote), I was just pointing out that saying that the WWC drove the election doesn't hold up. Why not say that white women drove the election? White men? White college-educated voters? They're all large subsets of white voters?

This is my issue with the "appeal to WWC" approach. They're still white, and whiteness means more to them than anything else any pol can offer. White people in general, across educational, gender, and class lines, voted for Trump.

 

[King Kreole]

This has nothing to do with nafta

But Steve Bannon said it, so you must disagree with it. Just wondering why?

 

[88m3]

But Steve Bannon said it, so you must disagree with it. Just wondering why?

It's not that I disagree with the premise entirely but in reality it will never happen.

 

[TTT]

The progressives think the white working class abandoned Democrats because the Dems abandoned them in favor of the professional class, sometimes they even go into the "identity politics"argument. They strongly believe that the WWC could possibly have no other reason to abandon Democrats other than what the Democrats have perceived to have done. The poorest white county in the USA which is in Kentucky has been a GOP stronghold for some time. They even voted for Romney with his 47% comments. I think they are in denial about the cultural roots of WWC resentment and opt for the voting against their interest argument, I read a paper which made the opposite argument that people vote their values instead of their interests. It is the same in very religious areas, why Progressives assume religious people perceive economics to be front and center instead of their hot button issues is beyond me.

As for Bernie, he did not exactly try to take credit but tried to make it about Progressives. He is making an indirect association between that movement and Jones victory by way of Woodfin. He is the first and only person to have made such claims. The NAACP was involved, black churches as well. In the primaries ,liberal whites complained about Southern primaries being influential in nomination because of the how early SC and some Southern states are, they never consider that the bulk of the votes in those primaries are AA and after them maybe only DC and Maryland primaries have overwhelming black votes. It is an issue of messaging on their part because they are focused on the liberal vs establishment argument outside of demographics.

 

[AndroidHero]

I don't see him taking credit for black turnout in Alabama.

Anyway I think Democrats don't need Benie as much as his supporters claim, Democrats can still win election without his help or adopting his platform.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I don't see him taking credit for black turnout in Alabama.

Anyway I think Democrats don't need Benie as much as his supporters claim, Democrats can still win election without his help or adopting his platform.

The progressives think the white working class abandoned Democrats because the Dems abandoned them in favor of the professional class, sometimes they even go into the "identity politics"argument. They strongly believe that the WWC could possibly have no other reason to abandon Democrats other than what the Democrats have perceived to have done. The poorest white county in the USA which is in Kentucky has been a GOP stronghold for some time. They even voted for Romney with his 47% comments. I think they are in denial about the cultural roots of WWC resentment and opt for the voting against their interest argument, I read a paper which made the opposite argument that people vote their values instead of their interests. It is the same in very religious areas, why Progressives assume religious people perceive economics to be front and center instead of their hot button issues is beyond me.

As for Bernie, he did not exactly try to take credit but tried to make it about Progressives. He is making an indirect association between that movement and Jones victory by way of Woodfin. He is the first and only person to have made such claims. The NAACP was involved, black churches as well. In the primaries ,liberal whites complained about Southern primaries being influential in nomination because of the how early SC and some Southern states are, they never consider that the bulk of the votes in those primaries are AA and after them maybe only DC and Maryland primaries have overwhelming black votes. It is an issue of messaging on their part because they are focused on the liberal vs establishment argument outside of demographics.

Who cares what a bomani Jones' lackey has to say. He's a Podcaster / comedian / former coli poster.

Hillary carried the black vote in the south.

I am beginning to increasingly think that you can't appeal to them. Obama's presidency made white people crazier about race than they previously were, and more openly crazy at that.

But setting aside your point (and I'm not against trying to appeal to them as well, though I think the better strategy is to energize the 35% of white voters that you do have and all of your minority voters to come out and vote), I was just pointing out that saying that the WWC drove the election doesn't hold up. Why not say that white women drove the election? White men? White college-educated voters? They're all large subsets of white voters?

This is my issue with the "appeal to WWC" approach. They're still white, and whiteness means more to them than anything else any pol can offer. White people in general, across educational, gender, and class lines, voted for Trump.

But Steve Bannon said it, so you must disagree with it. Just wondering why?

Calling him a northern Huey Long is giving him too much credit. Other than that I agree with this post.

Anyway I have no problem with criticizing Sanders, but as expected this thread was made under false pretenses.

Kind of hard to document legitimate criticisms of Sanders, and he has plenty, when certain people constantly spam rubbish.

Why create fake grievances when the real ones haven't been exhausted?

Yes, white racist voters voted for Trump. What's your point. Hilary lost more votes but if you want to talk about the area's where she lost it was clearly in white working class states. Before you say oh those were all racist states. Many of those white working class states were blue states. SHE fukkED UP!!!

People like to say I'm making shyt up, or that I'm being delusional, or that I am not viewing reality.

THERE ARE NEWS OUTLETS PUTTING DUMBASS ARTICLES LIKE THIS OUT THERE.

WHO THE fukk CARES IF BERNIE IS PROUD OF THIS CANDIDATE?

READ THE COMMENT SECTIONS. PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF AT THIS CONSTANT AGGRANDIZEMENT.

@FAH1223 read this and LEARN something for once.




Who the ever-loving-fukk cares?

 

[the cac mamba]

WHO THE fukk CARES IF BERNIE IS PROUD OF THIS CANDIDATE?

apparently you do without you, this wouldnt be a thread

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

apparently you do without you, this wouldnt be a thread

 

[the cac mamba]

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you know what, you're right

how dare bernie try to use this massive upset as an example that the left can get out and vote. what the fukk is his problem. what an opportunist

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Rod got a blue check now He's come a long way since SOHH.

The privilege being the white people of the black people.