Napoleon's Thoughts on Bernie Sanders
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so why wouldnt policies aimed at the working class help them
so why wouldnt policies aimed at the working class help them
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
What is you argument? It’s clear that your argument isn’t applicable in practise. If it was the playing field would be level economically and socially for whites and PoC. Or maybe it is on your eyes?
i'd have to understand what your argument is first. what the fukk am i missing here? if bernie wants to help the 'white' working class, why is that bad for the minority working class?
im not claiming bernie sanders is a champion of black people
By applying the label he implies exclusivity.
For example, you speak about the betterment for the white working class and let’s say you create a fund to help small businesses. Whites are approved for loans from that fund at disproportionately higher levels than PoC.
Who is really benefiting? White people. This is what happens in America. The cries of PoC are ignored because whites are happy with it. It is in the dna of American institutions to be discriminatory.
Start destroying the discrimination by looking at the working class as a whole and make sure EVERYONE in the working class benefits.
Why not say all? Why use the dog whistle? Is it just politics?
I’ll take my politicians without the subtle appeals to racism, thank you. It means in a pinch if a group has to suffer it will be PoC not white people.
nothing you've said is wrong
you know what the problem is? black people dont split their vote, but the white working class does and did. the 'white working class' is something that these politicians see as up for grabs, while the black working class really isnt. so you see him talking about going for the white working class explicitly, because its a wild card. if you think that that's racist , or leaving blacks out, then again; you're probably right
but its also the reality of politics right nowis my perception about that wrong? im just trying to make sense of what i see taking place, because i do not see it as bernie sanders being racist, but acknowledging the fact that the white working class is swayable
nothing you've said is wrong
you know what the problem is? black people dont split their vote, but the white working class does and did. the 'white working class' is something that these politicians see as up for grabs, while the black working class really isnt. so you see him talking about going for the white working class explicitly, because its a wild card. if you think that that's racist , or leaving blacks out, then again; you're probably right
is my perception about that wrong? im just trying to make sense of what i see taking place, because i do not see it as bernie sanders being racist, but acknowledging the fact that the white working class is swayable
Your point makes sense but there is a caveat. There is a reason blacks don’t split their vote. You cannot ignore the fact that the GOP has become institutionally racist, and PoC do not have the luxury of playing purity politics and waiting through a voting cycle.
DNC policies may not set the world on fire, but compared to GOP policies they are gold. Whites can have the luxury of waiting out an election cycle or two and therein lies my issue with Bernie. If he was really about the working class, he would appeal to PoC as well. If BLM hadn’t embarrassed Bernie he would have never started to develop policies to benefit AAs. PoCwere an afterthought.GOP policies (and some Dem policies as well) have been destroying working class PoC for decades, but when whites start to get squeezed it illicits the dog whistle. It is opportunistic, nasty and dishonest at its core. Based on the way it has been used by charlatans in the past, and based on the way he started his campaign. I have no confidence Bernie would be any better.
King Kreole
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Bernie Sanders has never framed his policies as for the betterment of the "white working class" only, so you primary supposition is erroneous. He consistently speaks about the entirety of the working class, especially PoC, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that he doesn't say "all".
The policies that he's pushing are targeting at alleviating the systemic oppression of the working class and poor, which are disproportionately made up of black people. Universal Health Care is not a policy exclusionary to black people, it is a pro-black policy. Free college tuition is not a policy exclusionary to black people, it's a pro-black policy. Fighting income and wealth inequality is not a policy exclusionary to black people, it's a pro-black policy. The idea that it's white people who are the true beneficiary of his proposed policies is totally unfounded.
is that why hillary appealed to them?
bernie was only a primary candidate, neither him or hillary even had a chance to hash out what they were going to do for minorities. if you want to lay out 'bernie didnt appeal to black working class voters' as a fact, then i would have to ask why exactly hillary didor since im the one not understanding you, then let me rephrase; what exactly did you want him to do? i havent even seen him targeting anything specifically at white people, but he HAS acknowledged the fact that the 'white working class' can go either way. thats not really up for a debate
frankly im kinda losing track on what we agree on and what we dont, and im not really tryna bump a napoleon thread in the bushes
King Kreole
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So you say black people shouldn't split the vote because we don't have the luxury of playing purity politics, but then deride Bernie for not appealing to PoC from the get-go (citation needed) even though the policies of the other sides are, in your words, destroying PoC working class?
I said the GOP, but was willing to admit some Dem policies affected PoC negatively as well.
Here’s the deal. Support Bernie if you like. I will continue to be critical until I see a measure of honesty from him. People see Bernie as the tide that allows all boats to rise. My argument is that PoCs boats have been riddled with holes from previous policies, and his policies will only benefit people with boats still floating. Help PoC fix their boats and I will be the first to applaud him.
how can it be the time when the republicans control both houses and decide everything. the only way he will be impeached is if dems take back congress next year. at best something can start happening in january 2019, but that's a long shot.
King Kreole
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I'm not even really focused on Bernie Sanders the politician (I don't think he should run in 2020), i'm focused on the policies he's pushing. And while I totally agree that your boat can't float unless the holes are patched, these systemic changes represented in Bernie's policies are the fixes to the holes in PoC boats. Racial oppression is a multifaceted phenomenon. Universal programs are pro-black programs because black people disproportionately occupy the spaces that would most benefit from them. Guess which demographic is most harmed by predatory healthcare? Guess which demographic is most harmed by a predatory financial system? Guess which demographic would benefit most from free access to the college education needed to thrive in our new economy? The idea that these policies would only, or even primarily, help white people is absurd. The corporatist policies pushed by Republicans and Mainstream Democrats keep the holes in place because they are beholden to those corporate interests who benefit from preying on the disadvantaged. Don't trust the politician, look at the policy.