Something I wrote a while back when someone said I couldn't "prove" barack is an atheist, or at least really someone who is privately very liberally religious.
About his mother "This isn't to say that she provided me with no religious instruction. In her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. But I was made to understand that such religious samplings required no sustained commitment on my part. Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways —and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives."
His biological
father? Atheist.
His
mother? Atheist AND anthropologist (understanding human society and behavior)
His
grandfather and
grandmother that raised him? Both vocal atheists (talks about this a lot in his books)
Simply put: Black people aren't getting elected if they're not religious.
Visit
/r/BlackAtheism more and we discuss this in detail.
Quotes like this and that
speech from 2006 he did where he espouses his problems with referring to the bible show me that hes a closet atheist/very agnostic person that is playing the game of political musical chairs.
Don't forget this:
http://i.imgur.com/BVt0i.jpg
He "found" god @ 26 as a community organizer in Chicago and if you know chicago, theres a lot of black people there and you're not going to get famous there, as black man, without the black vote which comes from black churches. He had to play the game.
Grew up in extremely diverse settings, i'm sure having memories of madrasas allowed him to contrast that with the radical christianity in america....
Hes one of the smartest presidents,
on paper, that we've ever had. Remember, they tried to make fun of him because he went to the best schools in the country? I mean come on as if being a biracial kid raised by a single mother (even though she used to work for the Ford Foundation...LOL) isn't a massive hurdle in life.
Every chance he gets hes always promoting STEM fields and human achievement. Not willy nilly passive goals.
He rarely says that prayer influences his decisions a-la Bush 1 or 2, or even the possibly closet atheist that clinton was said to be. Faith is never a member of his team of decision makers.
When he forgets to pray people blow their lids off and call him unamerican. He left god out of the verbatim recitation of various historical
documents and
speeches and
9/11
Hes not religious At all.
Every time he opens his mouth about christianity it sounds
forced as hell. I'm not going to go into his politics or anything...but I think to call him a closet atheist, is not a far stretch at all. I know
/r/atheism loves the "wheres the evidence" claim, but to be honest here.
Obama has had more secular groups at the white house than any other president , a point verified by many fundie-right wingers; so i'm sure they'd be honest about feeling threatened. He only refers to religion during times of
tragedy, mandatory events like
prayer breakfasts...or when hes
trolling the GOP like he recently basically said "this is what jesus would do," to try and convince them to adopt his politics.
He trolls religion regularly. Its obvious. Why else do you think all the fundies are scared they would lose their privileges under him?
He even campaigned on eliminating faith-based initiatives but after the backlash following his election he was forced to backtrack and reinforce the initiative with a "faith office". On top of that, don't forget him trying to get catholics to pay for birth control...
hes trolling catholic church hospitals these days. I'm certain that even slightly religious people would have more "respect" for people of faith and their autonomy.
Obama has supported gay-rights
WHOLEHEARTEDLY since 1996 AT LEAST
No one in politics or academia believes him; Even people with different views don't believe him:
Chris Hitchens,
Richard Dawkins,
Ann Coulter,
Lawrence Krauss,
Pat Buchanan,
Franklin Graham,
Pat Roberson,
Bill Maher,
Penn Jillette etc. All of them think hes faking it. Hardcore christians and hardcore atheists.
He also campaigned on getting religion out of hiring practices:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20082217-503544.html
He's the first president to acknowledge non-believers:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-01-20-obama-non-believers_N.htm
Now you want info on Jeremiah Wright? Obama probably only distantly knew the guy. He had to more than likely only show up for appearances to make him seem like he was in touch with the community.
Here is a point we need to talk about... Jeremiah Wright was caught saying "god damn america"...
but you really don't understand what he was getting at. He was saying how utterly fukked up this country has been to minorities. Its true. You can deny it all you want, but he was highlighting a truth, albeit emotionally. He just wanted to say that America should really recognize their ways if they want to embrace Obama. Its kinda that "hey, they don't like me? well damn them!" Jeremiah Wright is not racist. Not at all. But you have to remember the bias white/right-wing america feels to anyone who talks about
white priviledge or exposes their messed up of institutionalized racism, so of course the clip was crazy.
Obama had to throw him under the bus to move on.
Black churches are the greatest source of networking in most urban communities, especially if black leaders are known to attend. Its all a game. I know in Atlanta every major city with a sizable minority population that many times, elected black officials only show up to church in times of election or when they need community support. They adopt a church home only to show their relation to the community. Its all for show. They have to connect with the people some how. Thats what a "representative" (in his case Senator) does.
Name a president who says this in his inaugural speech:
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth."
He's already the negro, kenyan, socialist, communist, anti christ, who hates America.
Why throw people another bone to hate him for?
Few links outlining many inconsistencies in his "faith":
- http://thekingsmanpaper.com/2012/03/the-atheist-in-chief/
- http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2007/10/obama-and-religion.html
- http://johntreed.com/Obamaatheist.html
Here he is making fun clinging to guns and religion:
There is even a new biography that tackles his introduction to christianity and it sounds...
forced at best:
And to cap it off, here is a section from "The Audacity of Hope". Start in the middle of p.198—p.206
http://lnk.co/KPZUD . If that doesn't scream "faking it" to you, I don't know what will.
Here is the video of him recounting all of this:
It's mad black ppl on Reddit. That's a great place to find people with similar interests and hobbies.
I dunno if it's just me but it seems like most people who go on reddit are socially awkward cacs with racist tendencies
