I like that album but I could NEVER forgive RZA for what he did to The Heart Gently Weeps. The version that originally leaked was PERFECT and he had to go and fukk it up. Why RZA?!!? WHY
My takeaways after finishing Raekwon's new book, From Staircase to Stage.
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I like that album but I could NEVER forgive RZA for what he did to The Heart Gently Weeps. The version that originally leaked was PERFECT and he had to go and fukk it up. Why RZA?!!? WHY
I like that album but I could NEVER forgive RZA for what he did to The Heart Gently Weeps. The version that originally leaked was PERFECT and he had to go and fukk it up. Why RZA?!!? WHY
They used Jimmy Ponder's instrumental version as a scratch instrumental for recording over, but RZA always planned to remake the beat from the jump. But that's where I said Rae had a legitimate gripe about the group albums- the group is recording to songs that aren't anything like what the final version ends up being. That's a completely different animal than saying you're not using RZA production for your own albums b/c it's "weak" when beat selecting for your album means you control that final product as opposed to a group album, so you can snatch up some RZA heat and run with it and nothing's going to be altered. Listen to when he complains about RZA production in those Vlad interviews and 90% of what he's actually complaining about is RZA production on group albums and flipping the tracks into something completely different than what they recorded for, most likely referencing Heart Gently Weeps specifically b/c it's the most egregious example of it.
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
8 diagrams was pure garbage. The best beat was produced by Eazy Moe Bee(rza co produced, but I'm sure Moe Bee is what made the beat dope due to the rest of the album). You are the first person I've ever seen in my entire life to claim that 8 Diagrams was dope. Those beats were beyond azz
You smoking that good dust Shyheim was tweaking off of when he ran over that Mexican, my nikka.
8 Diagrams has some of RZA's best beats post Forever. You a damn lie if you post on here regularly and never saw nikkas post that they fukked with it.
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
I get it, you're a Rza groupie(not a fan, cuz even fans don't say silly shyt like this). And from what 2 or 3 of you have been saying, Rza never fell off and since 93 has been producing classic records. You can lie to me and lie to everyone else, but once you start lying to yourself, that's when the problems start
Good shyt. You tried.
8 Diagrams is filled with fukking dope ass beats. But you know that already, you just thirsty for attention.
Trot LaRoc
Superstar
Imagine thinking RZA fell off after 96 and choosing to rhyme over beats like these instead
Come the fukk on man
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Veteran
Yup
The best beat RZA produced post the beats he produced on the Supreme Clientele album was the beat for State of Grace
Hannibal Fox
Eetwidomayloh
Facts. Even more so now with the resurgence of goon rap and all kinds of quality producers out there. Damn near everyone is doing these one mc one producer albums now, which is dope, so why can't an MC of Rae's stature put out such an album? Nas just dropped his third high quality project with Hit-Boy, Alchemist and Muggs are doing albums with everyone, Roc Marciano doing beats for Bronze Nazareth, you got Futurewave, Dirty Diggs, Sadhugold, Camouflauge Monk, Havoc...the list goes on and on
I agree with the watering down of the Wu flag. Been saying so for years. But it's not only Rza's fault : groups like Ice Water were de facto affiliates since they were associated with Raekwon. And they didn't really bring that much to the table themselves
One of the illest out, but yo...Roc doing beats for Bronze Nazareth?..........thats major, considering how ill Nazareth is himself
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
to piggy back off the - my guitar gently weeps flip
ghostface had it on a mixtape way before.... obviously not revised, replayed or resampled
and his shyt blew the other versions out of the water, its like they tried to recapture his shyt but fell way short
ghostface had it on a mixtape way before.... obviously not revised, replayed or resampled
and his shyt blew the other versions out of the water, its like they tried to recapture his shyt but fell way short
Funcrusher
All Star
You're right, his mixtape run is crazy and should be acknowledged.
But it doesn't 'fix' those albums for me. A bad album is a bad album, and Immobilarity, Lex Diamond, FILA and the Wild too are not up to par to what Rae is capable of.
That being said, Cuban Linx III is still my most anticipated album.
no man who made immobilarity, lex diamonds and FILA should be talking about beat choice
i'd argue that killah priest has done more for the wu-tang brand in the past 20 years than raekwon has. maybe we'll get lucky and get a book out of him next time
i'd argue that killah priest has done more for the wu-tang brand in the past 20 years than raekwon has. maybe we'll get lucky and get a book out of him next time
Take It In Blood
Banned
I wonder why it's okay for everyone in they mama to drop a book EXCEPT PRODIGY
Crazy how spending money to make money is cool when its outta somebody else pockets...
Was outside producers gone do it for the love or they standard prices?
What was the profit margins on Shaolin v Wutang album after outside producers got paid?
Mixtape beats samples gotta be cleared or naw?
If RZA doesn't produce another beat - they could still keep Wu-Tang production in house and find Wu-Tang heat and keep a tight budget but Rae would find a way to diminish returns by hating in public to anyone with a mic.
If we keeping it a buck - Rae is Right - The Business gotta be Right - but the HNIC's of the business is the Diggs and Power. So who business gotta be right for?
Was outside producers gone do it for the love or they standard prices?
What was the profit margins on Shaolin v Wutang album after outside producers got paid?
Mixtape beats samples gotta be cleared or naw?
If RZA doesn't produce another beat - they could still keep Wu-Tang production in house and find Wu-Tang heat and keep a tight budget but Rae would find a way to diminish returns by hating in public to anyone with a mic.
If we keeping it a buck - Rae is Right - The Business gotta be Right - but the HNIC's of the business is the Diggs and Power. So who business gotta be right for?