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Yes... But he was hot, though (Pause) so he was making all them shots. And the game was not at night. It was at noon.
My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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Yes... But he was hot, though (Pause) so he was making all them shots. And the game was not at night. It was at noon.
The brand is strong.
Are they repping two wins?
Melo must have counted yesterday as a win because he got his
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Breakdowns:
This is one of those games where pretty blatant ref biases on blowing the whistle for the trailing team get passed over by the "never blame the refs" mentality that has allowed these dudes to do worse and worse at their jobs as time goes by. Yes, the Knicks got lazy and defended with their hands and yes, they did have a number of stupid fouls but the Jazz were playing physical, chippy defense to get back in the game and the Knicks weren't afforded that. The offense is starting to roll along nicely though. If Melo or Rose gets space in an isolation; they're attacking but the ball is humming and finding KP much more often now and Courtney has locked himself in reliably as a fourth cog on the wheel. Defensively the PnR defense continues to be a very obvious problem and it seems like it comes down to miscommunications. Guys aren't hedging hard which frees up the mid range jumper for the ball handler every time out; the switching is inconsistent so at any time you've got two players on a non-threat while a wing floats freely to the three point line. The one improvement here is that there were periods where everyone locked in and made some good defensive stands when players committed to hard doubles as well as fighting through screens. But that was limited periods of time.
Rose: He had a really good game and I'm not really blaming him for George Hill being free on screens when every big felt it was okay to follow their opponent off the screen without showing hard to buy Rose a second to recover. He chose his spots well though when attacking and he's starting to find KP more and more off his penetration. He started the game really looking for KP and it paid dividends.
Lee: Dude played brilliant defense against a tough assignment in Hood...for three quarters. It was really awful timing for him to duck under screens in the fourth and give up three pointers. Outside of that though, he was good. He provided 10 points, handled the rock a bit and his on ball defense actually helps the defense from completely collapsing since this is the one guy who fights through screens and recovers on miscommunications fast. He visibly shouted for KP to give him switch help on a post mismatch with Gobert too; which is the type of defensive communication we need everyone to get used to.
Melo: 12-20 for 28 points, grabbed 9 rebounds and dished 3 assists...so wtf is the crowd doing yelling to pass when he has deep post and elbow isolations against a guy who just got back from injury? Wax poetic all you want about game flow; but this is twice now where Melo plays extremely efficient ball up until the hard doubles come and then he actually passes out of those doubles when they arrive. He missed at least 3 open looks on catch and shoot three pointers which kept him from being next level efficient and that's where his offensive game is starting to be slightly concerning...he's not hitting three's at all right now which hurts. Defensively, not his best showing but I want to go rewatch the first half to see where Hayward was getting all those FT's from. Anyway, this isn't the game to blame on Melo although it seemed like everyone really wanted it to be his fault...from Breen talking about Melo holding the ball when he received it with 4 seconds on the shot clock so he had to shoot to the crowd yelling pass when he was unstoppable in the first.
KP: 28 points, 8 boards and 2 blocks...prolly his best game of the season. When the game started with Gobert on him, he feasted. The adjustment in the second half by the Jazz to put quicker guys on him by switching and just playing physical really took him out of the game but not because he didn't press for post position. The Jazz guards fronted him and Rudy Gobert's massive wingspan made it very difficult to get entry passes to KP with time to act. It was a smart fix that the Knicks didn't adjust to (my pick would be to shift to screen and fades so that the lane is open for ball handler blow by's). Defensively, KP's awareness still needs work. He's soft on hedging and sometimes he's so focused on his man or the handler that he misses calls like the aforementioned Lee help requests. That's okay though, he's young and I expect improvement.
Noah: A combination of early fouling and Gobert not defending Noah at all kept our big FA acquisition from being able to have major impact. When he was out there, ball movement was better and defensive communication was at it's best...but if he can only provide his impact for 20 minutes per game (a very real threat with savvy coaches, versatile roster builds and Noah aging) then his contract is still not worth the positive impact. That said, there are more than 70 games to come up with adjustments and figure something out but the sooner the better.
KOQ: I thought he did a pretty good job out there in the first half with a nice block and overall good movement on both ends. But the all bench unit got smacked around later on and he only had 13 minutes to be out there. Overall a forgettable performance but that's not to say it was bad.
Lance: A special combination of solid defense being dragged by low IQ decisions and continued offensive ineptitude meant that his 29 minutes were 15-20 minutes too many for this guy. As with every other year, if we're asking him for more than 20 mpg then we're in trouble because he's not good enough for that on 9 out of 10 nights.
BJ: Played a pretty good game but like the rest of the bench not a stand out game. He was in full passing mode for much of his time out there though and that was nice to see as he was mostly under control. But with a bench looking for scoring, his passing ability isn't having as big an impact as it probably should.
Holiday: I think Courtney Lee losing Hood late was a bit of gas in those legs but Holiday played his least aggressive game of the season which meant Hornacek relied on Lee more. Holiday only got 13 minutes and while his box score has the staple of notches in every box, there are less notches and that's because he wasn't at his best. Like KOQ though, being forgettable isn't being bad necessarily.
Kuz: While the rest of the bench showed zero aggression, this dude actually came out looking to score. He posted up Trey Lyles (if memory suits) at one point, took some jumpers and he's so quick to the trigger that his man HAS to stay nearby. That's a dynamic that the bench could use for longer spans; but the problem is that while Kuz survived defensively...he played poorly on that end. He's going for pump and pass fakes; seems like his eyes follow the ball handler's upper bodies'; and he was behind his man whenever he was attacked. The effort is there though and he has surprisingly active hands on that end. There's room for growth and if he can get to passable defense, I think he can be a boost for a woefully needing bench.
Hornacek: I think he got outcoached. He leaned on the full bench a second time when even the first time was a scary stretch where they just teetered on keeping things in hand. Riding KP and Melo's hot start threw off his second quarter rotations and got a fatigued KP into early foul trouble. He didn't adjust to the ball denial of KP in the second half. Basically, there were some moves and decisions he could have made to give the team a better shot but he got caught out there. This was still a better showing than Fish or Rambis on a typical night, so don't get me wrong...but he made mistakes. And he's really gotta figure out a few things aka how to make the bench effective, how to rest starters enough to not run out of steam late and how to keep KP as a threat every second he's out there.
Random: I've never seen a jump shooting player draw as many FT's as Hayward did yesterday and it's worse that he wasn't even shooting well. There's plenty of blame to go around for that too.
This is one of those games where pretty blatant ref biases on blowing the whistle for the trailing team get passed over by the "never blame the refs" mentality that has allowed these dudes to do worse and worse at their jobs as time goes by. Yes, the Knicks got lazy and defended with their hands and yes, they did have a number of stupid fouls but the Jazz were playing physical, chippy defense to get back in the game and the Knicks weren't afforded that. The offense is starting to roll along nicely though. If Melo or Rose gets space in an isolation; they're attacking but the ball is humming and finding KP much more often now and Courtney has locked himself in reliably as a fourth cog on the wheel. Defensively the PnR defense continues to be a very obvious problem and it seems like it comes down to miscommunications. Guys aren't hedging hard which frees up the mid range jumper for the ball handler every time out; the switching is inconsistent so at any time you've got two players on a non-threat while a wing floats freely to the three point line. The one improvement here is that there were periods where everyone locked in and made some good defensive stands when players committed to hard doubles as well as fighting through screens. But that was limited periods of time.
Rose: He had a really good game and I'm not really blaming him for George Hill being free on screens when every big felt it was okay to follow their opponent off the screen without showing hard to buy Rose a second to recover. He chose his spots well though when attacking and he's starting to find KP more and more off his penetration. He started the game really looking for KP and it paid dividends.
Lee: Dude played brilliant defense against a tough assignment in Hood...for three quarters. It was really awful timing for him to duck under screens in the fourth and give up three pointers. Outside of that though, he was good. He provided 10 points, handled the rock a bit and his on ball defense actually helps the defense from completely collapsing since this is the one guy who fights through screens and recovers on miscommunications fast. He visibly shouted for KP to give him switch help on a post mismatch with Gobert too; which is the type of defensive communication we need everyone to get used to.
Melo: 12-20 for 28 points, grabbed 9 rebounds and dished 3 assists...so wtf is the crowd doing yelling to pass when he has deep post and elbow isolations against a guy who just got back from injury? Wax poetic all you want about game flow; but this is twice now where Melo plays extremely efficient ball up until the hard doubles come and then he actually passes out of those doubles when they arrive. He missed at least 3 open looks on catch and shoot three pointers which kept him from being next level efficient and that's where his offensive game is starting to be slightly concerning...he's not hitting three's at all right now which hurts. Defensively, not his best showing but I want to go rewatch the first half to see where Hayward was getting all those FT's from. Anyway, this isn't the game to blame on Melo although it seemed like everyone really wanted it to be his fault...from Breen talking about Melo holding the ball when he received it with 4 seconds on the shot clock so he had to shoot to the crowd yelling pass when he was unstoppable in the first.
KP: 28 points, 8 boards and 2 blocks...prolly his best game of the season. When the game started with Gobert on him, he feasted. The adjustment in the second half by the Jazz to put quicker guys on him by switching and just playing physical really took him out of the game but not because he didn't press for post position. The Jazz guards fronted him and Rudy Gobert's massive wingspan made it very difficult to get entry passes to KP with time to act. It was a smart fix that the Knicks didn't adjust to (my pick would be to shift to screen and fades so that the lane is open for ball handler blow by's). Defensively, KP's awareness still needs work. He's soft on hedging and sometimes he's so focused on his man or the handler that he misses calls like the aforementioned Lee help requests. That's okay though, he's young and I expect improvement.
Noah: A combination of early fouling and Gobert not defending Noah at all kept our big FA acquisition from being able to have major impact. When he was out there, ball movement was better and defensive communication was at it's best...but if he can only provide his impact for 20 minutes per game (a very real threat with savvy coaches, versatile roster builds and Noah aging) then his contract is still not worth the positive impact. That said, there are more than 70 games to come up with adjustments and figure something out but the sooner the better.
KOQ: I thought he did a pretty good job out there in the first half with a nice block and overall good movement on both ends. But the all bench unit got smacked around later on and he only had 13 minutes to be out there. Overall a forgettable performance but that's not to say it was bad.
Lance: A special combination of solid defense being dragged by low IQ decisions and continued offensive ineptitude meant that his 29 minutes were 15-20 minutes too many for this guy. As with every other year, if we're asking him for more than 20 mpg then we're in trouble because he's not good enough for that on 9 out of 10 nights.
BJ: Played a pretty good game but like the rest of the bench not a stand out game. He was in full passing mode for much of his time out there though and that was nice to see as he was mostly under control. But with a bench looking for scoring, his passing ability isn't having as big an impact as it probably should.
Holiday: I think Courtney Lee losing Hood late was a bit of gas in those legs but Holiday played his least aggressive game of the season which meant Hornacek relied on Lee more. Holiday only got 13 minutes and while his box score has the staple of notches in every box, there are less notches and that's because he wasn't at his best. Like KOQ though, being forgettable isn't being bad necessarily.
Kuz: While the rest of the bench showed zero aggression, this dude actually came out looking to score. He posted up Trey Lyles (if memory suits) at one point, took some jumpers and he's so quick to the trigger that his man HAS to stay nearby. That's a dynamic that the bench could use for longer spans; but the problem is that while Kuz survived defensively...he played poorly on that end. He's going for pump and pass fakes; seems like his eyes follow the ball handler's upper bodies'; and he was behind his man whenever he was attacked. The effort is there though and he has surprisingly active hands on that end. There's room for growth and if he can get to passable defense, I think he can be a boost for a woefully needing bench.
Hornacek: I think he got outcoached. He leaned on the full bench a second time when even the first time was a scary stretch where they just teetered on keeping things in hand. Riding KP and Melo's hot start threw off his second quarter rotations and got a fatigued KP into early foul trouble. He didn't adjust to the ball denial of KP in the second half. Basically, there were some moves and decisions he could have made to give the team a better shot but he got caught out there. This was still a better showing than Fish or Rambis on a typical night, so don't get me wrong...but he made mistakes. And he's really gotta figure out a few things aka how to make the bench effective, how to rest starters enough to not run out of steam late and how to keep KP as a threat every second he's out there.
Random: I've never seen a jump shooting player draw as many FT's as Hayward did yesterday and it's worse that he wasn't even shooting well. There's plenty of blame to go around for that too.
@storyteller
Breh...
And fukk @I.V. for what he's going to say about my Melo stannery
but thank you for this. Too many Knicks fans are paying attention to the bullshyt narrative about Carmelo. Dude really held the city on his back(didn't make it far, though, lol) and brought us to the playoffs with a torn shoulder and still played through it only to be set at a disadvantage by a J.R Smith suspension.
Melo was the one person backing up Porzingis when Jose Calderon and Derek "implicit european bias" Fischer, who was too busy posting the word cac about Kristaps, decided that they wouldn't pass to the rookie prodigy.
Throughout all of that, Melo gets shytted on even when he's really trying to play the game efficiently.
Thank you again for an objective analysis.
Also, Story, please get a Medium.com blog account (free) and all you have to do is just post these post game analyses.[It's what I use to post my thoughts and articles David Raskin – Medium)
I would share the shyt out of your Knicks thoughts and, since it's effortless for you, worse case, you'd have a clear and clean record of your Knicks thoughts and at most, it can turn into something really big for you.
I'm always appreciative of you.
Breh...
And fukk @I.V. for what he's going to say about my Melo stannery
but thank you for this. Too many Knicks fans are paying attention to the bullshyt narrative about Carmelo. Dude really held the city on his back(didn't make it far, though, lol) and brought us to the playoffs with a torn shoulder and still played through it only to be set at a disadvantage by a J.R Smith suspension.
Melo was the one person backing up Porzingis when Jose Calderon and Derek "implicit european bias" Fischer, who was too busy posting the word cac about Kristaps, decided that they wouldn't pass to the rookie prodigy.
Throughout all of that, Melo gets shytted on even when he's really trying to play the game efficiently.
Thank you again for an objective analysis.
Also, Story, please get a Medium.com blog account (free) and all you have to do is just post these post game analyses.[It's what I use to post my thoughts and articles David Raskin – Medium)
I would share the shyt out of your Knicks thoughts and, since it's effortless for you, worse case, you'd have a clear and clean record of your Knicks thoughts and at most, it can turn into something really big for you.
I'm always appreciative of you.
storyteller
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Breh...
And fukk @I.V. for what he's going to say about my Melo stannery
but thank you for this. Too many Knicks fans are paying attention to the bullshyt narrative about Carmelo. Dude really held the city on his back(didn't make it far, though, lol) and brought us to the playoffs with a torn shoulder and still played through it only to be set at a disadvantage by a J.R Smith suspension.
Melo was the one person backing up Porzingis when Jose Calderon and Derek "implicit european bias" Fischer, who was too busy posting the word cac about Kristaps, decided that they wouldn't pass to the rookie prodigy.
Throughout all of that, Melo gets shytted on even when he's really trying to play the game efficiently.
Thank you again for an objective analysis.
I see Melo as a player with flaws that get exaggerated to the point of being cartoonish. Couple a bad reputation with the fact that a lot of basketball fans have turned on the old school "scorer" (Iverson is underappreciated in a lot of circles these days) and even when Melo does everything efficiently, a lot of people are gonna pin a loss on him. The good thing about Melo is that he seems to have built up enough mental strength to ignore a lot of the white noise and focus on doing his thing. I think dude will be back to a reliable 3-5 assists on most nights real soon and the three point shooting is bound to improve, which will turn a pretty good start into a a really strong looking season. My big complaint so far for him has been how defensive consistency; he was better than this last year but right now he's falling to average at best levels.
I appreciate the hell out of the suggestion fam. I started toying with Wordpress to get a feel for it and prepped a brand idea that should make it possible to blog not just on the Knicks but some other ish I like to analyze. I'm gonna sit down and really look at Medium, try to get something up and running. You cats have definitely given me some confidence to press forward with a legit blog and start archiving this ish at the least. I'd be content getting views from the Coli-Fam and Realgm heads I kick it with, any growth beyond that would be bonus.
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would never happen ...but id do it in a heartbeat
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We'd lose our future and our pg for a injury prone player. Y'all nikkas trippingwould never happen ...but id do it in a heartbeat
would never happen ...but id do it in a heartbeat
I mean...
I'm happy Noah is here.
Also, looking at advanced stats this early, Noah is doing very well compared to Lopez.
I still understand the expensive contract and health issues though.
I used www.basketball-reference.com for my comparisons.
Chicago and Lopez
New York and Noah
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RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
Porzingis for AD? 
Am I wrong for not wanting to include Rose? 
Draft picks a definite no-no. I was looking at some Greek Freak highlights and I thought to myself if the Bucks call, I do that deal 1 for 1
*obligatory Lance Stephenson is available again post*
The way the bench has been performing, Phil needs to give Lance a long, serious look. In fact, if he clears waivers I'm gonna just go head and say it NEEDS to happen!
Am I wrong for not wanting to include Rose? Draft picks a definite no-no. I was looking at some Greek Freak highlights and I thought to myself if the Bucks call, I do that deal 1 for 1 *obligatory Lance Stephenson is available again post*
The way the bench has been performing, Phil needs to give Lance a long, serious look. In fact, if he clears waivers I'm gonna just go head and say it NEEDS to happen!
