One of either Rose, Melo or KP needs to come off the bench. Lee and Holiday definitely need to play more minutes together.
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God no.
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Me either . This ain't the NFL. 4 games is very small. By 15 I'll start to panick if we aren't .500Still not trippin'
Breh, I've been watching the NBA for too long to start panicking over a 1-3 start, or get overhyped about a 4-0 start. We have 9 new players, it's going to take time for cats to get acclimated with each other's games.
But then again, I forgot, it's the Coli where cats overreact over 1 game & make dumb silly threads.
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defense is about effort and communication....
like i get it...but offense wasnt our issue half the time...but this defense being ass is a fulltime thing
beenz
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the fukk was the point in giving noah 80 mil if hes just gonna play 20 min a game?
it was a bad move. we knew that dude was washed from the last two years of lackluster play. which his why the bulls didn't even consider trying to re-sign him.
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Carmelo ain't built for the small forward life anymore. Either, him, KP, or Noah need to come off the bench
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You would think they learned from preseaon seems like houston was able to shoot at will once againdefense is about effort and communication....
like i get it...but offense wasnt our issue half the time...but this defense being ass is a fulltime thing
N*ggas talking about benching KP or Melo 
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As long as the defense doesn't get their act together, this team's ceiling is mid-lottery. There's a ton of indecisiveness on that end right now and it absolutely kills. KP is the best example of it truly, he's too far from his man but also just far enough from the lane that he can't slow down a driving player or be a true rim protector. He's caught in the middle and it takes away all impact, so Harden has his lanes and Ryan Anderson has his looks. This applies to most everyone though, Justin Holiday being the only obvious exception. The squad needs to make a decision, either you want to force the ball handler to pass or you want to force him to take a contested shot inside but they're leaving all options on the table. They made it easy for everybody all night, literally everybody.
Rose: 16 points on 18 attempts is brutal and to exacerbate that, 0 FTA's. He started strong on drives but really fell off and settled for a lot of midrange jumpers as it progressed which made me wonder about fatigue being a factor. He and Melo both have to pick their spots and last night he chose his own number far too often. The offense runs better through Noah and the one time Melo decided to be a passer, it ran better through him too. Like I said then, if Noah and Melo are focused on creating than Rose becomes a great weapon but with Melo's focus on scoring you end up with a predictable offense that has no rhythm to it.
Lee: Offensively, how much more could you ask for? Defensively, he was probably the best indicator of how confused our pick and roll defense had become. He tried to go over the screens early and picked up fouls; he started going under which left large passing lanes that Harden ate up; then he tried switching a few times and got caught behind the rolling big...he couldn't figure anything out and the communication between he and the big men wasn't strong enough to resolve this.
Melo: 21 and 7 on 15 attempts and over 50% from the field. That's not a bad line of scoring, but he only had 1 assist and 5 TO's; same issue as Rose here. He called his number every time, which made a bit more sense in that he was legitimately scoring well, but it became predictable and that meant dribbling into double and triple teams for UGLY turnovers. Defensively, he actually made some alright weak side plays (put Sam Dekker on head with a clean block that got called a foul) and his man was the least effective offensive piece. He and Rose need to both realize that they HAVE to get others involved and he's shown himself to have that sort of awareness just last season (even in Memphis). You pray that film sessions and time will help; but it's impossible to predict a mentality shift from players.
KP: He can't defend stretch fours because he's so focused on the ball handler. He had some moments at the rim, but he consistently let a top 3 point shooting PF have massive space to knock down threes. On offense he was as passive as can be; not even aggressive in getting position or making cuts. This was literally the worst game of his young career. He's too talented not to figure things out, but the second quarter was especially scary. He was in there with a struggling second unit and didn't do a thing to assert himself and demand the ball.
Noah: D'antoni neutered this dude with small ball line-ups that went so tiny we had Melo at Center for a while. He still managed to lead the team in assists, he's still the guy to run the ball through because he does a better job of picking spots for Melo and Rose than they do for themselves. If you want to see the other end of the confusion on PnR defense, he's a good one to check for as he tried a similar array of approaches to Courtney Lee with zero success.
KOQ: Actually looked like a good bench player in his short time out there but like with Noah, the small ball run and gun approach from D'antoni kept him off the floor.
Holiday: The most assertive player after Rose, Melo and Lee wasn't KP, Noah, Jennings or anyone but this guy. He was forcing things at times, but I wasn't mad because the second unit was completely passive. He almost sparked a run at one point but after that he was ice cold. I appreciated his defensive effort above everyone else at least.
Ndour: I figured out what makes me appreciate Ndour so much, it's how hard he cuts off the ball. He sprints through every play with authority so that even as limited as he is, he gets involved in things and is in the right place at the right time for situations (unfortunately his limitations mean that doesn't work out every time but still). With Lance playing such bad offense, Ndour is closer to the "why not try him" spot for me.
Lance: Looked okay out there compared to other times but hurt himself and took a backseat from there.
Jennings: Jennings needs to play with the starters more. He's got better awareness than Rose and more creative passing to boot. Off the bench he wreaked havoc on offense. Unfortunately though, his defense was arguably the worst of all. Still, his feel for the game has had me saying Rose should come off the bench until he learns the offense since game one and I still think that's the right approach. The second unit needs an assertive scorer and though Jennings is capable, flipping the two (Rose/BJ) would put both in better situations for their skill sets at least in the early interim.
Sasha: I wasn't sure why he was out there when he got early reps, but you know what? At least it was a chance for Ron Baker to flat out outplay this cat.
Baker: Shot poorly but my God was the kid involved in a lot of things. From tipping the ball out for offensive boards to making smart passes and off ball movements, he just did a lot of the glue stuff that this unit misses from time to time. He even got matched up with Harden a few times which is good experience if nothing else.
Hornacek: He does the creeper grin of a dude who is trying to bottle up his rage and will explode at some point in ugly fashion; but on the bright side it's at moments when I'm letting the rage out by screaming at a t.v screen so who's the real lunatic here? I'm hoping the fact that he clearly recognizes the crap decisions with that maniacal look means that he's gonna unleash in film sessions. He let D'antoni be the lead in their rotation decisions all night, but actually the smallest line-up wound up giving the Knicks a short lived run until James Harden decided to stop messing around and shoot again (yes James Harden on a back to back was able to take a break from shooting for almost an entire quarter and only started up when there was a semblance of a comeback in the air to choke the life out of the arena and players). His post game interviews have that feeling of a dude who is trying hard to stay patient but on the verge of breaking down and throwing flames at everyone. Seriously, there was a weird Dexter thing going on last night. You can tell he's knowledgeable but until it shows in defensive improvement and decision making shifts; his psychopath "do you know I got these scars deep inside my soul" grin is the equivalent of D-Fish's aimless "I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to do something, let's put in five new guys at once" stare off into space.
Rose: 16 points on 18 attempts is brutal and to exacerbate that, 0 FTA's. He started strong on drives but really fell off and settled for a lot of midrange jumpers as it progressed which made me wonder about fatigue being a factor. He and Melo both have to pick their spots and last night he chose his own number far too often. The offense runs better through Noah and the one time Melo decided to be a passer, it ran better through him too. Like I said then, if Noah and Melo are focused on creating than Rose becomes a great weapon but with Melo's focus on scoring you end up with a predictable offense that has no rhythm to it.
Lee: Offensively, how much more could you ask for? Defensively, he was probably the best indicator of how confused our pick and roll defense had become. He tried to go over the screens early and picked up fouls; he started going under which left large passing lanes that Harden ate up; then he tried switching a few times and got caught behind the rolling big...he couldn't figure anything out and the communication between he and the big men wasn't strong enough to resolve this.
Melo: 21 and 7 on 15 attempts and over 50% from the field. That's not a bad line of scoring, but he only had 1 assist and 5 TO's; same issue as Rose here. He called his number every time, which made a bit more sense in that he was legitimately scoring well, but it became predictable and that meant dribbling into double and triple teams for UGLY turnovers. Defensively, he actually made some alright weak side plays (put Sam Dekker on head with a clean block that got called a foul) and his man was the least effective offensive piece. He and Rose need to both realize that they HAVE to get others involved and he's shown himself to have that sort of awareness just last season (even in Memphis). You pray that film sessions and time will help; but it's impossible to predict a mentality shift from players.
KP: He can't defend stretch fours because he's so focused on the ball handler. He had some moments at the rim, but he consistently let a top 3 point shooting PF have massive space to knock down threes. On offense he was as passive as can be; not even aggressive in getting position or making cuts. This was literally the worst game of his young career. He's too talented not to figure things out, but the second quarter was especially scary. He was in there with a struggling second unit and didn't do a thing to assert himself and demand the ball.
Noah: D'antoni neutered this dude with small ball line-ups that went so tiny we had Melo at Center for a while. He still managed to lead the team in assists, he's still the guy to run the ball through because he does a better job of picking spots for Melo and Rose than they do for themselves. If you want to see the other end of the confusion on PnR defense, he's a good one to check for as he tried a similar array of approaches to Courtney Lee with zero success.
KOQ: Actually looked like a good bench player in his short time out there but like with Noah, the small ball run and gun approach from D'antoni kept him off the floor.
Holiday: The most assertive player after Rose, Melo and Lee wasn't KP, Noah, Jennings or anyone but this guy. He was forcing things at times, but I wasn't mad because the second unit was completely passive. He almost sparked a run at one point but after that he was ice cold. I appreciated his defensive effort above everyone else at least.
Ndour: I figured out what makes me appreciate Ndour so much, it's how hard he cuts off the ball. He sprints through every play with authority so that even as limited as he is, he gets involved in things and is in the right place at the right time for situations (unfortunately his limitations mean that doesn't work out every time but still). With Lance playing such bad offense, Ndour is closer to the "why not try him" spot for me.
Lance: Looked okay out there compared to other times but hurt himself and took a backseat from there.
Jennings: Jennings needs to play with the starters more. He's got better awareness than Rose and more creative passing to boot. Off the bench he wreaked havoc on offense. Unfortunately though, his defense was arguably the worst of all. Still, his feel for the game has had me saying Rose should come off the bench until he learns the offense since game one and I still think that's the right approach. The second unit needs an assertive scorer and though Jennings is capable, flipping the two (Rose/BJ) would put both in better situations for their skill sets at least in the early interim.
Sasha: I wasn't sure why he was out there when he got early reps, but you know what? At least it was a chance for Ron Baker to flat out outplay this cat.
Baker: Shot poorly but my God was the kid involved in a lot of things. From tipping the ball out for offensive boards to making smart passes and off ball movements, he just did a lot of the glue stuff that this unit misses from time to time. He even got matched up with Harden a few times which is good experience if nothing else.
Hornacek: He does the creeper grin of a dude who is trying to bottle up his rage and will explode at some point in ugly fashion; but on the bright side it's at moments when I'm letting the rage out by screaming at a t.v screen so who's the real lunatic here? I'm hoping the fact that he clearly recognizes the crap decisions with that maniacal look means that he's gonna unleash in film sessions. He let D'antoni be the lead in their rotation decisions all night, but actually the smallest line-up wound up giving the Knicks a short lived run until James Harden decided to stop messing around and shoot again (yes James Harden on a back to back was able to take a break from shooting for almost an entire quarter and only started up when there was a semblance of a comeback in the air to choke the life out of the arena and players). His post game interviews have that feeling of a dude who is trying hard to stay patient but on the verge of breaking down and throwing flames at everyone. Seriously, there was a weird Dexter thing going on last night. You can tell he's knowledgeable but until it shows in defensive improvement and decision making shifts; his psychopath "do you know I got these scars deep inside my soul" grin is the equivalent of D-Fish's aimless "I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to do something, let's put in five new guys at once" stare off into space.
defense is about effort and communication....
like i get it...but offense wasnt our issue half the time...but this defense being ass is a fulltime thing
Agreed. We're not having trouble scoring the ball. We're giving up 112 points a game. 112! On the defensive side of the ball, as a team we look like some dudes that just started hooping. Yeah we got 9 new players. And as a result DEFENSE should have been the focus in camp. You can't make deep playoff runs or win chips if you don't defend. There is NO effort and you can see from body language of some players, there is minimal communication. So we'll be about 10 games under .500 and there'll be a players only meeting. Fingers will get pointed, nothing will get resolved. We miss the playoffs again. For you patient cats....what precedence are you using for all this patience?? This is the Knicks. We on our 3rd reboot in 3 years. This looks like the same ol story to me.
I've been eating off the NBA LP free preview. If they lose Sunday, I don't think I'll order it. I don't live in NY before anyone asks.
Melo.
Time to pass that torch homie. Physically you just don't have the tools to carry a team alone even to the playoffs anymore. You're certified tho and father time is undefeated. Stop forcing shyt. Time to really be Olympic Melo. We don't need 25+ anymore from you. You can prob get it.....but more than likely will shoot us out the game in the process. We need 18-21 ppg, 10 rpg, 3-4 apg, and some solid defense. Plz & Thx.Rose....is looking very explosive. Gets to the cup whenever he feels like it. Gotta get those assists up tho
KP....looked odd last night. Like he was going thru something off the court. Like Latvian gangsters had his girl hemmed up somewhere. Anyway....kid needs more touches and to toughen up. Last night was the 1st time in a long time I thought "Damn...I wish we'd a been able to draft Karl Towns".
Jennings needs help off the bench. He's finding guys but these mufukkas can't catch. They gotta put another offensive player on the floor with him. KP! They have good chemistry. Not saying bring KP off the bench, but stagger his minutes. BJ also needs to work on that body language. I know the feeling tho. 3 years ago I coached a player that coulda and shoulda started, but we needed her leading the 2nd unit. Don't think she'd have been as effective with the starters. But the 2nd unit would be fukkin up and she'd be visibly upset. We're talking tears. Needless to say we lost her the next season.
Noah....I wish he got more minutes. I hope he's just getting his wind back but I'm concerned. He played the 1st 5 minutes last night and didn't return till around 5-6 minutes left in the 2nd. And I thought this cat could make FT's even tho his form is ugly AF ??
The rest?
KOQ
You slimmed down playboy. Stop playing like you're fat. Maybe take a ballet class so it's not a disaster if you catch the ball while running. Plz develop some kinda go to move. I never know what to expect from you on O or D.Holiday
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Kuz
May benefit from running with JenningsNdour
Edit: I forgot Lance! Wow I wonder why? Lance gets the
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thatrapsfan
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at the thought of Melo agreeing to come off the bench. He'd force a trade before agreeing to that role.
Seriously brehs,
What would work?
Move KP and rose to the bench and move Melo to power forward?
Starting lineup
Brandon Jennings
Courtney Lee
Justin Holiday
Carmelo Anthony
Joakim Noah
Bench
Derrick Rose
Ron Baker
Kuzmingas
KOQ
kristaps Porzingis
What would work?
Move KP and rose to the bench and move Melo to power forward?
Starting lineup
Brandon Jennings
Courtney Lee
Justin Holiday
Carmelo Anthony
Joakim Noah
Bench
Derrick Rose
Ron Baker
Kuzmingas
KOQ
kristaps Porzingis
