My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

[DPresidential]

I'm suprised brehs are looking forward to adding Rubio

And willing to part with KOQ too
I understand the whole draft picks thing, but Rose AND KOQ for...RUBIO

I'm sorry.

I must sound crazy. I wake up to see y'all thinking I'm crazy.

Lol.

When I fully were up I'll explain.

 

[Kitsch]

In Phil we trust.

 

[mbewane]

I'm sorry.

I must sound crazy. I wife up to see y'all thinking I'm crazy.

Lol.

When I fully were up I'll explain.

Granted, english isn't my first language, but I have no idea what you're saying breh

Why you talking about wifing up

 

[Monsanto]

Rose is finished his contract at the end of the season. Trade for Rubio make me stop watching this team.

On another note, I had a dream we drafted second and got Markelle Fultz. And then he got injured. Meanwhile Josh Jackson was killing it winning ROY and scoring 26 a game for Philly. They went to conference finals.

 

[storyteller]

Wolves can absorb Rose and O'quinn salary, but those two are worth more than Rubio .... I wonder would they be willing to let the 2017 pick go?

It's a big man/pg draft and they got both in KAT and they want Dunn to work (and would likely try and get a vet PG in FA anyway)

If they're dumping Rubio's salary AND bringing back KOQ, I'd hope we get more than Rubio for damned sure. I like Rubio, perfect stop gap piece to fit with KP, he's cheap (by today's standards) and he plays some defense which will be nice. The other bit of news to keep in mind is that all the reports say the Wolves are one of multiple teams to inquire. So maybe this draws out some competitive offers from others.

 

[storyteller]

Sources: Wolves among teams to pursue Rose

Uhhhh...if we bring Reggie Jackson I'll be pretty damned upset barring salary dumps offsetting the cost and picks our way.

 

[DPresidential]

Granted, english isn't my first language, but I have no idea what you're saying breh

Why you talking about wifing up

I meant wake up. My autotype and my speed typing are a terrible combo. I almost never check until after I post. Chronic problem.

Anyway, if we were to package Rose/O'Quinn, I would expect a hell of a haul where Rubio and a hell of a lot of picks and a young guy would be involved.

Granted, I am not up on the wolves pick situation but securing Rubio as a permanent backup point guard would be a good look, I figure.

Also, if we could swing picks it would sure beat just losing him this offseason.

With respect to Lavine, mid season ending injury, I'm thinking somehow sweetening the deal with O'Quinn to see if we could pull a Pelicans steal
Lol

 

[mbewane]

I meant wake up. My autotype and my speed typing are a terrible combo. I almost never check until after I post. Chronic problem.

Anyway, if we were to package Rose/O'Quinn, I would expect a hell of a haul where Rubio and a hell of a lot of picks and a young guy would be involved.

Granted, I am not up on the wolves pick situation but securing Rubio as a permanent backup point guard would be a good look, I figure.

Also, if we could swing picks it would sure beat just losing him this offseason.

With respect to Lavine, mid season ending injury, I'm thinking somehow sweetening the deal with O'Quinn to see if we could pull a Pelicans steal
Lol

Ah ok I see...tbh I haven't watched much of the Wolves this year but what I've seen over the years doesn't give me any reason to believe he would an upgrade over Rose...if we want him as a backup, well we still got to find a starting PG, which is what we will do anyway if we finish the season with Rose...

I'm also very reluctant at the idea of KOQ leaving, I mean here's a young guy who is physical, defends, blocks shots, can make jumpshots, good passing, finish around the rim...I mean what exactly do we want from our players...if we want to rebuild or whatever, for me we need to keep KP, KOQ and Hernangomez. That's a solid young frontcourt who can do a lot of good things

 

[DPresidential]

Ah ok I see...tbh I haven't watched much of the Wolves this year but what I've seen over the years doesn't give me any reason to believe he would an upgrade over Rose...if we want him as a backup, well we still got to find a starting PG, which is what we will do anyway if we finish the season with Rose...

I'm also very reluctant at the idea of KOQ leaving, I mean here's a young guy who is physical, defends, blocks shots, can make jumpshots, good passing, finish around the rim...I mean what exactly do we want from our players...if we want to rebuild or whatever, for me we need to keep KP, KOQ and Hernangomez. That's a solid young frontcourt who can do a lot of good things

You're absolutely right.

I admit I jumped the gun on thinking about roster changes.

 

[KingJudah2]

Rubio is trash what a dumb move, Rose contract up wait until FA

 

[nomoreneveragain]

If Reggie Jackson becomes a Knick, I'm done

 

[storyteller]

Ah ok I see...tbh I haven't watched much of the Wolves this year but what I've seen over the years doesn't give me any reason to believe he would an upgrade over Rose...if we want him as a backup, well we still got to find a starting PG, which is what we will do anyway if we finish the season with Rose...

You've got sound logic on both bits but I have a separate perspective to offer here. I think the general belief would be that adding Rubio doesn't break the tank without other moves, which means you can hopefully draft one of the promising PG's with Rubio around. Rubio would buy time to develop the rookie and give the Knicks an immediate playmaker. The other bonus with Rubio is quality defense, something we've been dying for from PG's. So theoretically, you add Rubio and you can still bring in a PG prospect in the offseason. Rubio at his price tag is probably better than anything we can get in the offseason; the pipe dream was already dropping to Jrue Holiday (a very good but not great PG) and after the Pelicans deal, I think they keep him at all costs.

I'm also very reluctant at the idea of KOQ leaving, I mean here's a young guy who is physical, defends, blocks shots, can make jumpshots, good passing, finish around the rim...I mean what exactly do we want from our players...if we want to rebuild or whatever, for me we need to keep KP, KOQ and Hernangomez. That's a solid young frontcourt who can do a lot of good things

The problem with KOQ is he's cheap for one more year and then he opts out and becomes a valuable big man in a league that pays bigs absurd quantities. Right now, having KOQ and Willy works because they're both cheap but with the roster locked into Noah barring a miracle; keeping KOQ could become too expensive. Turning KOQ into additional assets now while his value is at an all time high makes some sense instead of losing him or losing leverage in the future. That said, I don't think KOQ should be a throw in to land Rubio. If he's added to the deal, I'd hope that we bring back something extra (I doubt Tyus Jones would be available but I'd love to add dude).

 

[Montez]

I just want to tank brehs.

 

[mbewane]

You've got sound logic on both bits but I have a separate perspective to offer here. I think the general belief would be that adding Rubio doesn't break the tank without other moves, which means you can hopefully draft one of the promising PG's with Rubio around. Rubio would buy time to develop the rookie and give the Knicks an immediate playmaker. The other bonus with Rubio is quality defense, something we've been dying for from PG's. So theoretically, you add Rubio and you can still bring in a PG prospect in the offseason. Rubio at his price tag is probably better than anything we can get in the offseason; the pipe dream was already dropping to Jrue Holiday (a very good but not great PG) and after the Pelicans deal, I think they keep him at all costs.



The problem with KOQ is he's cheap for one more year and then he opts out and becomes a valuable big man in a league that pays bigs absurd quantities. Right now, having KOQ and Willy works because they're both cheap but with the roster locked into Noah barring a miracle; keeping KOQ could become too expensive. Turning KOQ into additional assets now while his value is at an all time high makes some sense instead of losing him or losing leverage in the future. That said, I don't think KOQ should be a throw in to land Rubio. If he's added to the deal, I'd hope that we bring back something extra (I doubt Tyus Jones would be available but I'd love to add dude).

Yeah I can understand this reasoning. Like I said I haven't really followed the Wolves this year so I have a hard time seeing Rubio's positives. What you saying makes sense, however given our recent history I'm weary we end up with Rubio as the starting point guard and some bad draft pick that doesn't develop in what we hope he will. It's more of a gut feeling on my part than very logical reasoning.

Regarding KOQ, here too I understand the logic but I fear that going that route we might endlessly have young guys develop and end up trading them for assets...that become good...that we trade because they become too expensive, and so on and so forth. And so we never develop cohesion. I know it's the business part, but I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the concept of trading a player away because he's good. But I understand that the stuff unrelated to what he actually does on the court weighs a lot in the balance. I just hope we don't end up in a couple years again saying "Damn, if only we had a young physical interior player who is talented and actually plays like with heart".

 

[DPresidential]

I just want to tank brehs.

Do you feel like this current season performance is opposite of what you want?