My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

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Show me some interiors of small houses that still don't succumb to wasted space. Even the smallest houses I find still have wasted space in some form. My parents home isn't even that big and I still find it wasteful. :ld:
So have a smaller house built :yeshrug:

I mean what's excessive? Average US house has 3 or less bedrooms, even after the significant growth of the home since the 50s. Buying a house can be whatever you want it to be... you don't have to walk into the same traps as everyone around you
 

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Dining rooms are a staple despite the fact that the modern person does not dine lavishly like rich buck would have 100 years ago. I think a lot of house making design is outdated without questioning modern sensibilities or living styles and saving space.

You say "have a smaller house built :yeshrug: when I'd just rather live in an apartment.
 

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Dining rooms are a staple despite the fact that the modern person does not dine lavishly like rich buck would have 100 years ago. I think a lot of house making design is outdated without questioning modern sensibilities or living styles and saving space.

You say "have a smaller house built :yeshrug: when I'd just rather live in an apartment.
Me personally, I like a lot of open space. So I probably would just knock down the walls between the living room/dining room/kitchen. Plus most people have kids and kids need room to bounce around. We used the dining room for all kinds of shyt when I was growing up, it was like the center of the house.

I just look at your stance like this. I don't know what your experience is with small space living, but I've been in 1 BR apts for the last 4 years. Just me and my wife. Its not all its cracked up to be. We are not hoarders or anything, but we do like to live and do things, and that requires space. Both of our closets are filled to the brim. Closet in the hallway is full of jackets and household stuff like mops + buckets etc. Wifey does crafts so a corner of the living room is full of that. I work on my motorcycle so I have all my tools and parts under the bed. An extra room or two and a garage would go a long way to our comfort (which is exactly why we are leaving NYC). I grew up in the suburbs in a house basically with hoarders so I know the other side of the game too. But if I had to choose, even if it was just me alone, I would love a small house + garage. Apt living is overrated, people need outdoor space to stay sane.
 

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Different strokes then. I've lived most of my adult life with apartment living and I vastly prefer it. It probably helps I don't want children so I don't really have the drive to want bigger living accommodations.
 

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You are clearly not understanding what I am trying to push across to you. How old are you and what grad school are you trying to get into?
 

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You are clearly not understanding what I am trying to push across to you. How old are you and what grad school are you trying to get into?


It seems like he's more hung up on the idea of owning a "home", what it means to other people, and lastly what it means to himself.



It's extremely stupid and arrogant.


Rates of home ownership outside of Merica(Merican Dream) are higher as well but I think that's some librul elitest angle he's trying to push
 

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You are clearly not understanding what I am trying to push across to you. How old are you and what grad school are you trying to get into?

27, and Academy of Art University. I pick AAU because Pixar employees regularly teach lectures there. If I can get my foot in the door as an intern at Pixar, maybe I can get a job there after I get my Master degree. I want to work for Pixar, get promoted to art director. I'd be satisfied if I made it that far. To me, that'd be a good career. But I want more, I want to own an animation company bigger than Disney and Pixar. I have dreamed that since I was a child. I may not want to buy a home, but I certainly want to have my own business and I'm acquiring skills along the way (business, art skills, animation training, work experience) to achieve these goals. You saying I don't think in the long term is a slap in the face and I don't like it. Investing in a home can help prevent that due to me being shackled to one location. Children are their own impediment. I am sacrificing a lot to achieve my dream.

It seems like he's more hung up on the idea of owning a "home", what it means to other people, and lastly what it means to himself.



It's extremely stupid and arrogant.


Rates of home ownership outside of Merica(Merican Dream) are higher as well but I think that's some librul elitest angle he's trying to push

It's not liberal nor elitist. I realize why others want homes. I just don't want a home for the same reasons.


@Liquid sorry for trolling, you just really ticked me off talking about living from check to check and working a low paying job. It really offended me, my career choice, and all of my future dreams and plans. Just because I don't want a big house like everyone else does. Maybe I'm being irrational; correct me. Look at the dialogue between @She Agree That I'm Looney and I. I don't think what I posted stupid, elitist, and it certainly isn't ignorant of the long-term.


@88m3 I am a woman. More importantly, is your name based off of the electronic band M83? :inlove:
 
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This is neither here nor there but if you're black and live in Harlem you should try your best to own your property. I know a lot of Blacks own in Harlem already but I don't like this trend I'm seeing. Why would you give up a spot right in the middle of the financial capital of the world?

The war been lost and the Hipsters won.
 

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because you can't afford it. simple.
Exactly

I think there was a time when it was viable for black people to buy our neighborhoods, but it prob seemed pointless, because no white person would ever move to Crown Heights or whatever in 1988. It prob seemed pointless too because a lot of places just were not safe. Why commit to living in a warzone???

Giuliani came through and crushed the buildings, NY rap died, and from there it was a wrap. We are talking about gentrification now, but really the window probably closed a long time ago. If it wasn't for the law, NYCHA facilities would probably be long gone too. A lot of that property is waterfront :merchant:
 

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posted first page........adding space to buildings by buying up other buildings' air rights... :ehh:.....better than 275 sq foot apartment...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/realestate/the-great-race-for-manhattan-air-rights.html

The Great Air Race

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Air rights were pertinent to the development of Isis Condominium on East 77th Street.


By ROBIN FINN

Published: February 22, 2013

Because a room with a view has always been preferable to one without, the price of air in New York City is becoming more expensive. Yes, the air is for sale, but not on sale.

And not the dodgy urban air the city’s eight million inhabitants breathe as they scurry around the boulevards, but the rarefied and fast-disappearing air overhead where condominium towers do not fear to tread, and rooms with sunlit windows can make the lucrative difference between a legal three-bedroom residence and a mere two-bedroom with a den/office.

With Manhattan’s skyscraper-proof bedrock in finite supply and the city’s fixation on housing and envelope-pushing office buildings on the upswing — and also the impetus behind the proposed rezoning of 70 blocks around Grand Central Terminal called Midtown East — the sky is not only the limit, it’s the solution. Ubiquitous developers-about-town like Gary Barnett, Harry B. Macklowe and the Zeckendorf brothers are all not-so-secret members of the air appreciation society.

“When I tell people outside of New York that I’m buying air from other building owners, they look at me as if I’ve lost my mind,” said Kenneth S. Horn, the president of Alchemy Properties. His 18-story Isis Condominium at 303 East 77th Street acquired air rights from two adjacent tenements; it cantilevers eight feet above the roofs of both of them beginning at the sixth floor. The payoff for this complex and expensive undertaking is 360-degree views, more spacious apartments, abundant light and higher resale value.

“If the real estate gods line up,” Mr. Horn said, “and I find a site in a friendly neighborhood where I can and do buy air rights, and then let’s say I can’t build any higher, but if they let me cantilever, I can create views and add square footage to my project.”

Air rights are, in actuality, not fluffy chunks of available or orphaned air. They are unused or excess development rights gauged, like building density or lot size, by the square foot and transferable, when zoning permits it, from one buildable lot to another. They have become the reigning currency of the redevelopment realm, major components in the radical vertical transformation of the city’s skyline.


These days developers don’t just tailor their blueprints to the lot they own: they often annex, for fees that can run into the multimillions, the airspace above and around their property. The process, essentially an invisible merger of building lots that tranlates into taller, heftier towers with increased profitability, is emerging from a minislump dictated by the economy.

“The trading of air rights is more prevalent than it’s ever been before,” said Robert Von Ancken, an air-rights expert and appraiser who is the chairman of Landauer Valuation and Advisory Services, “and it’s why you’re seeing these monster buildings springing up all over town. All of these new supertowers that are changing the look of the city’s horizon, they couldn’t happen without air-rights transfers.”

Mr. Von Ancken estimates that air rights trade for 50 to 60 percent of what the earth beneath them would sell for. Once sold, they are gone for good, a detail that occasionally adds a serious stress component to negotiations.

Unless the property doing the selling is a designated city landmark, these deals are usually restricted to properties that share at least 10 feet of lot line. Landmarks can sell their unused air rights to neighbors across the street or down the block.

Not all small-fry neighbors opt to sell: “We get turned down more often than not,” said Michael Namer, the chief executive of Alfa Development, who bought air rights to expand two of his downtown condominium projects, the eight-story, 36-unit Village Green on East 11th Street, and the nearly completed 14-story, 51-unit Chelsea Green on West 21st Street. Both are in height-restricted neighborhoods.

“There are people who believe in skyscrapers and people who don’t,” he added, “and you can’t do the Hudson Rail Yards and you can’t do One57 without air rights, but that’s not really the issue. The city Planning Department has taken steps to ensure that the way we sculpt our city is something that makes sense in terms of light and air. The reason behind the big increase in air-rights trades is that, bottom line, they can make the difference between a marginal and a profitable project.”

Post-recession, the air above New York City is its own best marketing tool.

“It’s coming back with a vengeance,” said Robert A. Jacobs, a land-use specialist and partner at Belkin Burden Wenig & Goldman. “The technology available is such that if you’re a developer of a residential property you should build as high as you can, because you get the higher sales price for the higher floors. The race to accumulate light easements and air rights is tied to the mandate for these high-priced condos to offer views worthy of the purchase price,” added Mr. Jacobs, who lectures on air rights at the city bar association.

If there is a danger inherent in them, it is the potential, Mr. Jacobs mused, for a city dominated by towers that overshadow the rest of the landscape.

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http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/02/19/norfolk_streets_glassy_new_pendant_tower_unveiled.php

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