My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification
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88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
I’m Tryna Figure Out How NYC Is Pushing Out Low Income Families When Every Second A New Building Goes Up For Low Income Housing That Has A fukking Sun Deck, Gym, Laundry Room And A Computer Lab lol
You Make Any Kinda Decent Income They Won’t Let You Near The Place
You Make Any Kinda Decent Income They Won’t Let You Near The Place
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Breh, are these homes going to low income black people or other ethnic groups?
People gentrifying NYC neighborhoods have a lot of complaints
Kai Ryssdal: Tell me, first of all, about this block up in Harlem that you sort of centered your research on.
Lam Thuy Vo: This is West 136th Street. And, basically, I crunched, I think it was 17 million 311 complaints in New York City to find this block. I wanted to see how this kind of phenomenon of "Permit Patty," this idea that people are calling the cops on their neighbors bore itself out in a neighborhood. And so we found this one block that had seen a dramatic increase of 311 complaints, mostly noise complaints. And we wanted to see how it affected the people on that block.
Ryssdal: You had these complaints. Tell me, target is too strong a word, but they were calling about, in many instances, a certain set of people.
Vo: Yes. So there is this very strong Latino community on West 136th Street, and for decades they've lived on that block. And whenever the sun comes out in the summer, they would go out and sit in little fold-up chairs and then play dominoes, but also play music. Basically the whole block would come alive with this very rich New York City-centered stoop culture. And one of the people that we talked to was an 105-year-old man who had been sitting on that block for about 40 years. And because new people moved in who weren't used to that kind of noise, he had to change how he led his life, how a lot of those folks who have lived on that block for a long time led their lives.
Ryssdal: Take this from Harlem down through the rest of Manhattan and out into Queens and Brooklyn, because these kinds of things -- changing demographics and then and then the use of 311 and this kind of situation are happening in other parts of the city as well.
Vo: Right. So what we wanted to see was, how are gentrification and racial demographics related to 311 calls? And we found that there was a higher rate per capita of complaints in gentrifying neighborhoods or gentrified neighborhoods. There was also a demographic change where more white people had moved in, while in all other tracts, the population of white people had gone down. So we found that in Brooklyn, in Washington Heights, in Harlem... there was a clear correlation between the high level of 311 complaints and the demographics changing to become more white.
Ryssdal: You talked to some of these newcomers. What did they say?
Vo: So we talked to about 30 people on that block. A dozen of them were long-term residents who had been there for 40 years or longer or had grown up on that block. And then we also talked to people who had lived there for, let's say, one to two years. And those folks were mostly like, "Oh yeah, it can be a little loud. I might not feel like I'm part of the community, but I'm not going to call in those complaints." And then there were a smaller subset of newcomers and the people who we found who had used 311 were white, and they were saying that, "This used to be a bad neighborhood. This used to be a dangerous neighborhood. And I didn't feel like I could approach this person so I called 311 who then connected as with the police." I think that's where also tensions may exacerbate tensions that have maybe existed before. Once you have the cops coming in and telling people to break up the domino games, they start feeling like they've been betrayed. A lot of the residents who had been living there for a long time told us that they had never heard of anyone coming out and being like, "Oh, can you tone it down?" That kind of communication is what in essence makes for a community in a neighborhood, you know?
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Kai Ryssdal: Tell me, first of all, about this block up in Harlem that you sort of centered your research on.
Lam Thuy Vo: This is West 136th Street. And, basically, I crunched, I think it was 17 million 311 complaints in New York City to find this block. I wanted to see how this kind of phenomenon of "Permit Patty," this idea that people are calling the cops on their neighbors bore itself out in a neighborhood. And so we found this one block that had seen a dramatic increase of 311 complaints, mostly noise complaints. And we wanted to see how it affected the people on that block.
Ryssdal: You had these complaints. Tell me, target is too strong a word, but they were calling about, in many instances, a certain set of people.
Vo: Yes. So there is this very strong Latino community on West 136th Street, and for decades they've lived on that block. And whenever the sun comes out in the summer, they would go out and sit in little fold-up chairs and then play dominoes, but also play music. Basically the whole block would come alive with this very rich New York City-centered stoop culture. And one of the people that we talked to was an 105-year-old man who had been sitting on that block for about 40 years. And because new people moved in who weren't used to that kind of noise, he had to change how he led his life, how a lot of those folks who have lived on that block for a long time led their lives.
Ryssdal: Take this from Harlem down through the rest of Manhattan and out into Queens and Brooklyn, because these kinds of things -- changing demographics and then and then the use of 311 and this kind of situation are happening in other parts of the city as well.
Vo: Right. So what we wanted to see was, how are gentrification and racial demographics related to 311 calls? And we found that there was a higher rate per capita of complaints in gentrifying neighborhoods or gentrified neighborhoods. There was also a demographic change where more white people had moved in, while in all other tracts, the population of white people had gone down. So we found that in Brooklyn, in Washington Heights, in Harlem... there was a clear correlation between the high level of 311 complaints and the demographics changing to become more white.
Ryssdal: You talked to some of these newcomers. What did they say?
Vo: So we talked to about 30 people on that block. A dozen of them were long-term residents who had been there for 40 years or longer or had grown up on that block. And then we also talked to people who had lived there for, let's say, one to two years. And those folks were mostly like, "Oh yeah, it can be a little loud. I might not feel like I'm part of the community, but I'm not going to call in those complaints." And then there were a smaller subset of newcomers and the people who we found who had used 311 were white, and they were saying that, "This used to be a bad neighborhood. This used to be a dangerous neighborhood. And I didn't feel like I could approach this person so I called 311 who then connected as with the police." I think that's where also tensions may exacerbate tensions that have maybe existed before. Once you have the cops coming in and telling people to break up the domino games, they start feeling like they've been betrayed. A lot of the residents who had been living there for a long time told us that they had never heard of anyone coming out and being like, "Oh, can you tone it down?" That kind of communication is what in essence makes for a community in a neighborhood, you know?
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88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
ogc163
Superstar
Yeah just as I expected, they are trying to kick people out. They changed the locks on the doors on my sister on some snake shyt, my niece's the youngest of which is 7 yrs old were in the crib when it went down. Luckily the judge sided with her and she is back in, come to find out they have attempted wrongful evictions on 8 other tenants. They fukked up because a landlord is never supposed to engage in self-help, and so now she has almost a year of free rent housing.
I haven't jumped into this thread in a while, but I think people need to wake up and face certain realities when it comes to this topic.
The people living in NYC and other major cities in this country that have this strange loyalty to their neighborhoods really need to think about what it is that they are doing. These landlords, businesses and the way this country is structured does not necessarily benefit those who are loyal to a geographical area. I have already had this conversation in this very thread with @NYC Rebel @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! and a few others. There are certain advantages when it comes to living in these hotspots if you can cut it and work your way up some corporate ladders, but for many? Those earning those hard dollars in fast food, retail and other blue collar jobs? Man that is a rough grind that usually consists of 60+ hour work weeks and a large part of that spinning your wheels riding the MTA to get right back to where you started on Monday morning. If you are not building towards something the least you can do is try to secure property that you own - even if it means leaving your comfort zone. It's all about leverage. If you have kids you owe it to yourself to put them in a better position going forward so that if the opportunity arises to relocate back to one of those areas you do so with more at your disposal.
There is another layer on top of it. The man in the white house has a long history of keeping certain "types" out of his well-known properties. It is not as bad as our previous generations had it, but you would be foolish to think it doesn't play a role till this very day in many aspects of our lives. He is in the White House as an indirect response by many in this country to Barack Obama. All the other noise around it also plays a part, but that definitely was a motivating factor for what many consider "fly-over" America.
Stay safe out there brehs, I just came back from home about 5 weeks ago and personally can't ever see myself living back within the city limits.
La Bodega is going to become 7-11 and the local coffee spot is going to become Starbucks.
The people living in NYC and other major cities in this country that have this strange loyalty to their neighborhoods really need to think about what it is that they are doing. These landlords, businesses and the way this country is structured does not necessarily benefit those who are loyal to a geographical area. I have already had this conversation in this very thread with @NYC Rebel @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! and a few others. There are certain advantages when it comes to living in these hotspots if you can cut it and work your way up some corporate ladders, but for many? Those earning those hard dollars in fast food, retail and other blue collar jobs? Man that is a rough grind that usually consists of 60+ hour work weeks and a large part of that spinning your wheels riding the MTA to get right back to where you started on Monday morning. If you are not building towards something the least you can do is try to secure property that you own - even if it means leaving your comfort zone. It's all about leverage. If you have kids you owe it to yourself to put them in a better position going forward so that if the opportunity arises to relocate back to one of those areas you do so with more at your disposal.
There is another layer on top of it. The man in the white house has a long history of keeping certain "types" out of his well-known properties. It is not as bad as our previous generations had it, but you would be foolish to think it doesn't play a role till this very day in many aspects of our lives. He is in the White House as an indirect response by many in this country to Barack Obama. All the other noise around it also plays a part, but that definitely was a motivating factor for what many consider "fly-over" America.
Stay safe out there brehs, I just came back from home about 5 weeks ago and personally can't ever see myself living back within the city limits.
La Bodega is going to become 7-11 and the local coffee spot is going to become Starbucks.
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As much as I love my city... and I do love my city....
Leaving it was the best move I've ever made. I don't know what that says about it but it can't be good
Leaving it was the best move I've ever made. I don't know what that says about it but it can't be good
JerseyBoy23
Veteran
I know it's not NYC but I live in Jersey near one of those train stations that express to the city and even that area is starting to get gentrified just because people can get into the city quickly.
Yup watching this happen in Newark for the last 5 years
Young folks (35 and under) want to live in cities
Inwood rezoning gets one step closer to reality with key approval
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A modified plan has been approved by the City Council Subcommittee on Zoning and Franchises, as well as by Councilman Ydanis Rodgriguez
By Ameena Walker Aug 2, 2018, 4:19pm EDTSHARE
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On Thursday, the City Council Subcommittee on Zoning and Franchises voted to approve the contentious Inwood rezoning proposal, much to the chagrin of many local residents, reportsCrain’s.
The plan had been modified before gaining the approval of the subcommittee, along with local Councilman Ydanis Rogriguez, and is now planning to exclude a central section of the neighborhood (at the request of Rodriguez) while ditching the part of the plan that calls for the commercial-U for the areas between Dyckman Street and West 207th Street, bordered by Broadway.
At the meeting, Rodriguez announced that the city has agreed to invest $500 million into the neighborhood as part of the rezoning and that two parcels of land owned by the city’s Department of Transportation will give way to a fully affordable development. Additionally, the Inwood rezoning would introduce the city’s first-ever pilot that would provide small businesses with rent-controlled leases for a 10-year period. Any new developments that would take shape along the Harlem River within the neighborhood would be required to provide waterfront access to the public and the city is planning to provide the George Washington Heights High School with $50 million in funding.
“I have carefully listened to the residents, and to the local business owners. I heard loud and clear that the rezoning was too large, and will definitely change the character of our neighborhood,” said Rodriguez.
However, many people remain unsatisfied with the proposed rezoning, arguing that though it stands to bring 1,300 units of affordable housing and around 5,00 new apartments overall to the neighborhood, it will displace thousands of residents and spur gentrification. “This is not what the community wants or needs. This is still a bad plan,” tweeted Met Council on Housing Executive Director, Ava Farkas.
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A modified plan has been approved by the City Council Subcommittee on Zoning and Franchises, as well as by Councilman Ydanis Rodgriguez
By Ameena Walker Aug 2, 2018, 4:19pm EDTSHARE
On Thursday, the City Council Subcommittee on Zoning and Franchises voted to approve the contentious Inwood rezoning proposal, much to the chagrin of many local residents, reportsCrain’s.
The plan had been modified before gaining the approval of the subcommittee, along with local Councilman Ydanis Rogriguez, and is now planning to exclude a central section of the neighborhood (at the request of Rodriguez) while ditching the part of the plan that calls for the commercial-U for the areas between Dyckman Street and West 207th Street, bordered by Broadway.
At the meeting, Rodriguez announced that the city has agreed to invest $500 million into the neighborhood as part of the rezoning and that two parcels of land owned by the city’s Department of Transportation will give way to a fully affordable development. Additionally, the Inwood rezoning would introduce the city’s first-ever pilot that would provide small businesses with rent-controlled leases for a 10-year period. Any new developments that would take shape along the Harlem River within the neighborhood would be required to provide waterfront access to the public and the city is planning to provide the George Washington Heights High School with $50 million in funding.
“I have carefully listened to the residents, and to the local business owners. I heard loud and clear that the rezoning was too large, and will definitely change the character of our neighborhood,” said Rodriguez.
However, many people remain unsatisfied with the proposed rezoning, arguing that though it stands to bring 1,300 units of affordable housing and around 5,00 new apartments overall to the neighborhood, it will displace thousands of residents and spur gentrification. “This is not what the community wants or needs. This is still a bad plan,” tweeted Met Council on Housing Executive Director, Ava Farkas.