My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

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1. i hope so

2. don't get it twisted. DeBlasio isn't building anything. DeBlasio does similar stuff to Cuomo and Hillary Clinton - old Democratic Machine virtue signaling. thinking all of their constituents are stupid. throw them a bone and keep them distracted. He's pressuring developers to take advantage of a tax abatement or get tax credits to make 20% of their new otherwise expensive market rate luxury buildings affordable. These fall under different programs like LAMP for low-income, and others end up being relatively expensive (but still affordable compared to market rate) because it goes off of the Area Mean Income. So while these 80/20 units are a godsend to those who are lucky enough to land in them - and they're better than nothing - I don't think it's a viable solution to the housing issue. If you notice on these housing lotteries for the income requirements, there is a big gap between like $38,000 and 60,000. Those people don't qualify for anything. Which is crazy. So what I think needs to happen is a bigger effort involving the state to get more money into the Mitchell Lama program and build new Mitchell Lama developments. You can read about that program (google) but Mitchel Lama Co-Ops are a god send. Home ownership for low and middle income people. People who stay and contribute and basically anchor entire communities. They need to get rid of the clause that lets buildings in the ML program leave after a certain amount of time to ensure they remain affordable, and they also need to sink money into new developments. On top of that they need to fix NYCHA without selling off properties to private developers. I know a percentage stake of a few NYCHA's along the FDR on the lower east side were secretly sold to private management companies and they'll be turning co-op. Still affordable, but not 100% NYCHA rentals. I have family in one of them and they got a letter stating that if you are a resident for X amount of years in good standing and have proof of income you can buy your apartment. 'regular' tenants probably get to stay as is and pay their rent (based on income) but you better believe they're gonna sweep the building and get rid of everyone in there who is living there off lease. They did this at a NYCHA in Forest hills Queens on 108th along the highway and it was successful.

I still think people should apply to literally every affordable housing development that exists though. And apply under family's names, have family/friends sign up, as well.

I didn't realize how out of control gentrification in CROWN HEIGHTS brooklyn had gotten. I just read a very alarming article about some bars opening up along Nostrand Ave in Crown Heights... made me shake my head
D Blasio is full of shyt

he touts affordable housing being built and then says 20,000 units over 10 years such an accomplishment

the city has that many people coming in to live in a month - how is that an accomplishment ???

as stated above the range for income is terrible - its really for VERY poor families and old people - and the real deal is this
poor families are usually transitory Old people DEFINITEY are- and the deal with the developmers is once the resident leaves they are then free to put the apt at market rate

so if you are a developer you make a deal for a tax break to build mixed use - that break lasts for 20 yrs but realistically you know you get old ass people in there who will DIE in 5 or 10 years and poor families who just find the cost of living beyond their means they will leave in like less than 10 - he now gets to put the apt at mkt rate AND keep his tax break for building in the first place
so that apt can now go for 2500 a month instead of the 1000 to 1500 it was

lasty - the avg income in the city is like 60K - HOW THE fukk IS SOMOENE WHO EARNS 60K going to afford apts built to be mkt rate for 3000 a month/ or an income of 250 K a year starting out? HOW the fukk this mayor can say we are increasing housing stock when the only stock that is being increased is "luxury" apts which cant be rented by people with even MIDDLE income let alone a family ???

if you havent realized by now - the rental mkt in nice neighborhoods is made for high turnover- this is especially true for commercial real estate

they only want someone there for 5 to 8 years ( if that ) and then they want to be able to have that apt vacant so that it can jump up to mkt rate


apt wise ? they dont want people living in places for 10 and 20 years anymore - which is bizzarro world because to raise a family you need to be someplace about 10 to 20 years - and there will always be a class of people who are just middle income - and the building that is goign on is either for the very poor or the very rich

youre fukked in the middle
 

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1. i hope so

2. don't get it twisted. DeBlasio isn't building anything. DeBlasio does similar stuff to Cuomo and Hillary Clinton - old Democratic Machine virtue signaling. thinking all of their constituents are stupid. throw them a bone and keep them distracted. He's pressuring developers to take advantage of a tax abatement or get tax credits to make 20% of their new otherwise expensive market rate luxury buildings affordable. These fall under different programs like LAMP for low-income, and others end up being relatively expensive (but still affordable compared to market rate) because it goes off of the Area Mean Income. So while these 80/20 units are a godsend to those who are lucky enough to land in them - and they're better than nothing - I don't think it's a viable solution to the housing issue. If you notice on these housing lotteries for the income requirements, there is a big gap between like $38,000 and 60,000. Those people don't qualify for anything. Which is crazy. So what I think needs to happen is a bigger effort involving the state to get more money into the Mitchell Lama program and build new Mitchell Lama developments. You can read about that program (google) but Mitchel Lama Co-Ops are a god send. Home ownership for low and middle income people. People who stay and contribute and basically anchor entire communities. They need to get rid of the clause that lets buildings in the ML program leave after a certain amount of time to ensure they remain affordable, and they also need to sink money into new developments. On top of that they need to fix NYCHA without selling off properties to private developers. I know a percentage stake of a few NYCHA's along the FDR on the lower east side were secretly sold to private management companies and they'll be turning co-op. Still affordable, but not 100% NYCHA rentals. I have family in one of them and they got a letter stating that if you are a resident for X amount of years in good standing and have proof of income you can buy your apartment. 'regular' tenants probably get to stay as is and pay their rent (based on income) but you better believe they're gonna sweep the building and get rid of everyone in there who is living there off lease. They did this at a NYCHA in Forest hills Queens on 108th along the highway and it was successful.

I still think people should apply to literally every affordable housing development that exists though. And apply under family's names, have family/friends sign up, as well.

I didn't realize how out of control gentrification in CROWN HEIGHTS brooklyn had gotten. I just read a very alarming article about some bars opening up along Nostrand Ave in Crown Heights... made me shake my head

Great post, but one of the major variables that people have not talked about in this thread is the amount of time and effort that is needed to get your kids a decent education out here. Talking to my cousins who have kids between 7-9, after rent that is their biggest insecurity.

The scholarships that are available usually are not enough to cover costs for private schools, and the public schools are even worse than when I was attending them. If you are poor and don't luck up into getting your kid into a good charter school you essentially have to hope that your kid A) Is so amazing as an individual to overcome institutional failure B) The culture you cultivate at home is s strong and convincing enough to offset the fukkery your kid has to deal with for 8 hrs. a day at school.

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Great post, but one of the major variables that people have not talked about in this thread is the amount of time and effort that is needed to get your kids a decent education out here. Talking to my cousins who have kids between 7-9, after rent that is their biggest insecurity.

The scholarships that are available usually are not enough to cover costs for private schools, and the public schools are even worse than when I was attending them. If you are poor and don't luck up into getting your kid into a good charter school you essentially have to hope that your kid A) Is so amazing as an individual to overcome institutional failure B) The culture you cultivate at home is s strong and convincing enough to offset the fukkery your kid has to deal with for 8 hrs. a day at school.

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:russ::russ: i remember reading something about all these 'people' who copped brownstones for the "low" in bed stuy, thinking they are pioneering the area , then having kids and being like ":ohhh: fukk, where is little chad going to go to school?"

:stopitslime:

i agree with what you said...if the family unit is strong and your kid isnt that impressionable, being able to make it out of a nyc public school could have him ready for the worst of what life has to offer. the fukkary in school is worse than ever. i worked over on west 49th in hells kitchen near a high school and during my 9-5 no matter what time i walked by there were a ton of kids outside shooting dice and smoking blunts. kids flooding the delis during lunch to charge their cell phones. etc..
 
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Word, and you can tell which areas are likely to be invaded by cacs in the future just by looking at the threads.

Half of the first page alone on the NYC section are posters trying to find best prices in South BX and Crown Heights :snoop:

that forum is a great resource for affordable housing though. any time a lottery is announced there is a thread on there, and it's filled with people who have been through the process before
 

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I'm on 145th and Convent right now, damn these white folks are deep out here. I just had an argument with my girl about coming back. It hurts to admit it, but I don't think it's gonna happen. I can eventually send my kid to a Dalton/The World School type of school in B-more/PG County for half the price man. Raising competitive kids in this system at this cost of living is not possible.

My whole extended fam is out here forging docs just to get a place or stay in their place at a reduced rate. That necessity chips away at your principles man, because you constantly gaming the system while turning around everyday telling your kid to lead life on the up and up.
 

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HARLEM, NY — Add Harlem to the ever-growing list of New York City neighborhoods with a Whole Foods Market. The health-conscious grocery store opened its newest location Friday morning — a massive 40,000-square-foot store on the corner of West 125th Street and Lenox Avenue.




Large crowds of people were ready to shop when Whole Foods opened its doors at 9 a.m. Friday. Whole Foods has built a reputation for its fresh produce and its healthy pre-made offerings, but also for its high prices.


The promise of high-quality products brought Harlemites and out-of-neighborhood visitors alike to the new grocery store Friday to see what it has to offer. The Lenox Avenue store will feature Whole Foods' usual grocery options including fresh produce and prepared foods as well as an expansive salad bar and vendors dishing out products such as coffee, cuban sandwiches, pizzas and baked goods.


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Harlem resident Herve Coeur told Patch that he thinks the Whole Foods will generate a lot of business from both local shoppers and people coming in from other neighborhoods. Coeur disagreed with the idea that the area is lacking grocery stores, but added that other area supermarkets don't have the established reputation of a Whole Foods, saying they don't match the "level of quality" of Whole Foods products.

The new grocery store received high marks from many shoppers impressed by the market's vast selection, the quality of produce and the overall look of the store.



Harlem resident Robert Goldberg said that he likes the Harlem Whole Foods' design more than other "bland" Whole Foods he has visited in the past.


Take a walk through the Harlem Whole Foods by watching this video:






Whole Foods has pledged to support local businesses and community organizations in Harlem.



The store has agreed to sell products from about 20 brands with Harlem roots including Sylvia’s, Egunsi Foods and the Harlem Pie Man. Whole Foods will also make donations to NYC Food Pantry's Harlem location three times a week and will feature a collage created by A. Philip Randolph High School students in its cafe.


"We are thrilled to serve the historic and vibrant Harlem community, where I personally have many fond childhood memories," Damon Young, a store team leader said in a statement.
 
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