My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

[CashmereThoughts]

I hate how hipsters try and paint themselves are NY'ers. You're not a fukking NY'er, you're the furthest thing from a NY'er. You have the personality of a 2x4 and every time another one moves into the city it further kills the culture and character of NYC. They act like they're creative and different but they are no different than the rest of the people out in the suburbs that have no personality. They cry about getting away from what suburb they come from but when they get here they do everything they can to turn the city into whatever boring bland suburb they came from.

Nobody likes hipsters

 

[tremonthustler1]

South Bronx is already going through gentrification, I rode my bike over there last week, and you can slowly but surely see the process. Since SoBro is right next to Manhattan and the potential for waterfront property is
Outside of the pollution from all those highways, SoBro can really do damage, plus all the projects in NY will become Co-Ops, so South Bronx(and the rest of NY) will become just like Harlem.

the potential for the waterfront ain't even all that appealing. At least Greenpoint has amazing views of the Manhattan skyline. The South Bronx doesn't provide any of that unless you really like watching traffic jams on the Bruckner /Deegan.


Oh, and about the bike lanes, they got those all throughout Grand Concourse. You know what the unintended consequence turned out to be? Free double parking Taxis eat good of that shyt, cuz nobody uses those bike lanes. Even bike riders don't use those bike lanes.

Lastly, NONE of those projects will ever be co-ops unless you completely tore them all down. I'd love to see them try. I wouldn't co-op shyt in those buildings. shyt in borderline unlivable. Again, goes back to property values.

Crazy part is because of this gentrification n hyper rent bullshyt, im prolly moving to the South Bronx in the next 5 months

*tosses you a Coke Boys shirt*

 

[ogc163]

the land was fertile. What benefited the gentrification process was that the projects were generally out of the way. Nobody was looking to gentrify East Harlem /Spanish Harlem (they will once that 2nd Avenue Subway is done, but no need to do anything yet). All those projects, Wagner, AK, Jackie Rob, etc. they don't affect the rest of the area yet and it's really hard to access unless you were deliberately trying to go there. Even the Polo Grounds by Rucker Park is near a dead end and a murky train stop, and if you don't wanna go there you can drive right over it.



Everyone acknowledges the attempt to gentrify in the Bronx (I've seen the lofts, straight outta Real World. Studio apartments look good too, and not that expensive either). All you gotta do is get out on the 6 train at any random stop once you enter the Bronx and get out and walk to realize why gentrification will never ever ever ever ever ever happen. If Thriller was remade in 2012, Michael Jackson would chase that girl into the Mitchel Houses.

Gentrification is never coming to the South Bronx, that place is way too messed up on so many levels. The violence has gone down considerably but the other factors necessary to make gentrification possible are simply not there. The North Bronx does have the factors but it's too far from Manhattan.

 

[Wild self]

There's always been nice areas in the Bronx though. NE Bronx, Riverdale, Country Club, Pelham, Morris Park, I hesitate to say Co-Op City, but them too. They live in their own world so I can't say how nice/bad it is there. If you live north of Gun Hill Road, you're most likely living aight. I remember driving locally to get to the NY State Thruway to get to Rye Playland, and I swear to you if that shyt wasn't so disconnected from the rest of the borough, let alone the city, I'd move. That's how nice and serene it is. All they got are houses, car dealerships, a 711, a McDonalds, the 5 train and a strip club.



That's not what happened in the BX. If it wasn't for the godawful Cross Bronx Expressway, the Bronx would be Staten Island, white folks everywhere. It's all in the property value, and the BX simply has shytty property value. There's no worth in remodeling housing projects. The only way to do it is by tearing them down, all of them, because they're all enclosed, and that would kill off the neighborhoods because so many people live in those buildings.

Lots of Jamaicans live int he NE BX and they look like they living OK

 

[tremonthustler1]

Gentrification is never coming to the South Bronx, that place is way too messed up on so many levels. The violence has gone down considerably but the other factors necessary to make gentrification possible are simply not there. The North Bronx does have the factors but it's too far from Manhattan.

As someone who lives nearby Riverdale and enjoys the benefits of it, I'm surprised I haven't been uprooted already, because that has a direct link to Manhattan.

As far as the violence, it comes and goes. Right now it's here. How the fukk is someone gonna shoot up a basketball tournament named in honor of those gunned down to street violence? They killed a 4 year old kid last night at Forest Houses. For some reason, intentionally clappin at kids this year has been insanely popular in this borough.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Lots of Jamaicans live int he NE BX and they look like they living OK

oh yes. My brother used to live at Wakefield and I used to enjoy going there every Saturday. Baychester/Edenwald are really the only 2 trouble spots on the NE side.

 

[ogc163]

Lots of Jamaicans live int he NE BX and they look like they living OK

Yeah many of the Jamaicans who have been here for 2 or 3 generations are living good. The only grimey parts of the North Bronx are White Plains road and some of the PJ's (Edenwald, Secor) but a lot of these young dudes have the typical Black middle class complex where they want to wild out as if they were living with their backs against the wall. I've been in Co-Op City for over a decade now and I see that ish all the time.

 

[Captain Crunch]

the potential for the waterfront ain't even all that appealing. At least Greenpoint has amazing views of the Manhattan skyline. The South Bronx doesn't provide any of that unless you really like watching traffic jams on the Bruckner /Deegan.


Oh, and about the bike lanes, they got those all throughout Grand Concourse. You know what the unintended consequence turned out to be? Free double parking Taxis eat good of that shyt, cuz nobody uses those bike lanes. Even bike riders don't use those bike lanes.

Lastly, NONE of those projects will ever be co-ops unless you completely tore them all down. I'd love to see them try. I wouldn't co-op shyt in those buildings. shyt in borderline unlivable. Again, goes back to property values.



*tosses you a Coke Boys shirt*

The point is, that many want to live in Manhattan, but can't. The Bronx is the final frontier, and a close alternative(given proximity via train or car). First it was all of downtown/midtown Manhattan; then it was Brooklyn, then Harlem, now it's Bronx.

I may be wrong, but I strongly believe South Bronx will have a full on gentrification.

 

[dtownreppin214]

Black folks are moving down south in packs, and been doing so for the last 25 years. Most cities in the Northeast are gonna turn to hipster centrals. At this point, there is nothing that we can do about it. Damage been done.

Yeah pretty much. It sucks b/c people from the northeast have the most unique character/personalities. All of that is going to be watered down by those skinny jean fakkits.

 

[ogc163]

As someone who lives nearby Riverdale and enjoys the benefits of it, I'm surprised I haven't been uprooted already, because that has a direct link to Manhattan.

As far as the violence, it comes and goes. Right now it's here. How the fukk is someone gonna shoot up a basketball tournament named in honor of those gunned down to street violence? They killed a 4 year old kid last night at Forest Houses. For some reason, intentionally clappin at kids this year has been insanely popular in this borough.

Yeah I grew up across the street from Forest and I grew up with all those dudes, that ish was like Vietnam growing up. The way the PJ's are built in the south bronx will make it difficult to build around, unlike the LES and Harlem they are built deadsmack in the places where you would want to build new buildings.

 

[bouncy]

To me it's going to get ugly soon for these people who are moving into NYC and paying these high prices to live because there will be some type of collapse in our economy, I don't know if it will be the worst thing we have ever seen but it will be bad, unless your rich, and being in a city, especially one densely packed like NYC is not where you would want to be in this day and age of big brother because you will be watched all the time, your money(taxes) will not be going build a solid infrastructure and there will be more corruption which will kill business for the most part and turn it into the '70's and 80's again but it won't look as bad because people won't burn their buildings down for insurance money due to white flight and the streets would be clean due to the laws that are in effect. There will be a lot of stress because living in a dense corrupt area is very stressful. People will be trying to move back into the suburbs for the peace.

People who live in the suburbs will have a better life, unless they don't change their ways and bring that bullshyt with them, but even then over time it would not be as bad as living in the big city because the less stress brings less crime as stress to the mind is the cause of crime. As long as the towns they live in aren't broke, the police will have the time and energy to stop people from going too far in their criminal activities which will keep things from being crazy like a big city will be.

This is not the 60's and 70's so white flight isn't necessarily a bad thing because back then when they went to the suburbs and blacks came to the city, it was a lot that needed to be fixed in those cities which helped the problems they went through persist and caused stress which caused crimes while the people in the suburbs had peace and less stress which meant less crimes and the country and the world wasn't going towards the place it's going now with everyone being watched, slowly losing our freedom, and our money losing the value it once had so you need more to have the same quality of life you once had.

It will be a change in the way we live and I would rather be in a place where I have space(suburbs) then one where I am always under someone(major city), that shyt is too stressful. I think the change will start next year and really take effect by 2017.

 

[ogc163]

The point is, that many want to live in Manhattan, but can't. The Bronx is the final frontier, and a close alternative(given proximity via train or car). First it was all of downtown/midtown Manhattan; then it was Brooklyn, then Harlem, now it's Bronx.

I may be wrong, but I strongly believe South Bronx will have a full on gentrification.

lol nah I have this discussion with my friends and family all the time, there were people involved in real estate who thought SoBro was going to be the next big thing. They either abandoned ship or are still waiting. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/magazine/bronx-economy.html?_r=1&hp

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

NoBro is a no go, I am pretty sure they all own the property they live in up there. Same reason Chinatown is still Chinatown. If we owned our neighborhoods we would be able to keep em

SoBro is no go cause shyt is still live. I have projects w/schools up there, I am gonna ask u guys when to bring out the riot gear. Plus, all the places in BK that got gentrified close to the city spat you out into a desirable part of Manhattan. You live in SoBro, you have to get through Harlem or the Heights. Over by Yankee Stadium is just hideous w/the highways and overpasses and all that. I think all the trains in the BX are above ground too which is another eyesore/negative. "That shyt aint never gon pop like 10 gold chains"

And lets not forget



I dont know about the 2nd ave line... once you get past 96 st on 2nd every 6 blocks is another project. I did some work in some of those projects and its not too bad, but even still, projects just have an ominous feel at night. Its like they turn all the lights off or something. Even down in Stuy town, which is like the RE developer's dream of what a project can be, it still feels like the projects, just with white lights instead of orange ones. 2nd ave line will do more for the UES honestly, prices along 1st + York are gonna spike. I know a couple on like 70th and York, they don't even take the train, they take buses home

I feel like we hit saturation breh

 

[john goodman]

If you think white people are unwilling to live next to the projects... You have another thing coming

Ask Chicago about that


Gentrification isn't slowing down for the next 20-30... Get used to it

 

[ogc163]

NoBro is a no go, I am pretty sure they all own the property they live in up there. Same reason Chinatown is still Chinatown. If we owned our neighborhoods we would be able to keep em

SoBro is no go cause shyt is still live. I have projects w/schools up there, I am gonna ask u guys when to bring out the riot gear. Plus, all the places in BK that got gentrified close to the city spat you out into a desirable part of Manhattan. You live in SoBro, you have to get through Harlem or the Heights. Over by Yankee Stadium is just hideous w/the highways and overpasses and all that. I think all the trains in the BX are above ground too which is another eyesore/negative. "That shyt aint never gon pop like 10 gold chains"

And lets not forget

JR Writer Robbed! - YouTube

I dont know about the 2nd ave line... once you get past 96 st on 2nd every 6 blocks is another project. I did some work in some of those projects and its not too bad, but even still, projects just have an ominous feel at night. Its like they turn all the lights off or something. Even down in Stuy town, which is like the RE developer's dream of what a project can be, it still feels like the projects, just with white lights instead of orange ones. 2nd ave line will do more for the UES honestly, prices along 1st + York are gonna spike. I know a couple on like 70th and York, they don't even take the train, they take buses home

I feel like we hit saturation breh

Nah folks in the South Bronx by and large don't own shyt, that is part of the problem. When hipsters come to town, if there is some ownership at least you can walk away with some money in your pocket.