My NYC Black Folk......Gentrification

[mson]

Semi ratchet but I don't live in CO OP or Gun Hill

The Valley?

 

[Wild self]

Semi ratchet but I don't live in CO OP or Gun Hill

So you near E. 233rd or Mt Vernon?

 

[ogc163]

Good points, but here where is the problem, the college educated and the non college educated can force the pay rate to go up, unless your job can be fully automated people can force pay to increase with cost of living, i used to work in retail and when i did they had less than 10% of whites working there, when the owner got cheap with them , they just quit and the rest demanded more money and got it. The Spanish did this also because lets face it, white guys are not going to work at mobile phone stores or the Gap or Macys as a career unless the pay is there. With rent raising these places are not going to survive unless they go fully automated or pay goes up to keep up with the cost of living. Think of how many retail stores in the city, think of how many places have security guards and doormen and maintenance personnel working, if rent raises to high and they move who is going do those jobs white guys??? Hell no unless that pay increased. The commute of having people live in the BX like that other poster said would be crazy, so its either a major building project for mid level income and lower income housing or robots do those jobs.

Point 1 There is no economic theory or data that supports this, pay rates in a given field usually increase when there is high demand for your talent/skills and yet a limited supply of said talent/skill/talent level. There may be a small exception that can get pay increases attached to COL, but in general...NO.

Point 2: Have you been to D.C. Annapolis, or any major city in the northeast in the last several years? Retail workers/low wage workers have to do crazy commutes on a daily basis in many places so the ish you spouting not only has no precedent in real life, but there are actually various examples of the opposite. at private sector real estate projects revolving around getting Macy's employees to work in a short time period.

 

[mson]

Speaking of Banksy, to East New York

But the Banksy image posted Thursday has people flocking to the East New York section of Brooklyn — the neighborhood with the city’s highest crime rate. What image could bring art lovers to a section of the city where shootings occur so often that one resident described, “Gunshots in this area’s just like hearing the doorbell”?
It’s a simple stencil on the side of a crumbling wall.

Image source: BanksyNY.com
The well-placed, stenciled beaver appears to have chewed through the metal post holding up a “No Parking” sign.

Image source: BanksyNY.com
Once the location of the latest “Banksy” got out, fans crossed the East River to view and photograph it. Seeing the regular stream of non-residents stopping by, local “entrepreneurs” quickly stepped in and turned the painting into a small business.
Some East New York residents declared themselves to be the “curators” of this single-painting museum. And by simply covering the beaver with cardboard and extorting charging between $5 and $20, they found a heretofore unknown revenue stream. Instagram user CAPNYC recorded the process. (Content warning – the short clip contains strong language.)



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...flocking-to-one-of-nycs-most-dangerous-areas/

 

[ogc163]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/n...ustry-de-blasio-meets-wary-wall-st.html?_r=1&

Another captured liberal politician, but keep hope alive

 

[mson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/12/n...ustry-de-blasio-meets-wary-wall-st.html?_r=1&

Another captured liberal politician, but keep hope alive

 

[Francis White]

Point 1 There is no economic theory or data that supports this, pay rates in a given field usually increase when there is high demand for your talent/skills and yet a limited supply of said talent/skill/talent level. There may be a small exception that can get pay increases attached to COL, but in general...NO.

Point 2: Have you been to D.C. Annapolis, or any major city in the northeast in the last several years? Retail workers/low wage workers have to do crazy commutes on a daily basis in many places so the ish you spouting not only has no precedent in real life, but there are actually various examples of the opposite. at private sector real estate projects revolving around getting Macy's employees to work in a short time period.

you

Point 1 There is no economic theory or data that supports this, pay rates in a given field usually increase when there is high demand for your talent/skills and yet a limited supply of said talent/skill/talent level. There may be a small exception that can get pay increases attached to COL, but in general...NO.

Point 2: Have you been to D.C. Annapolis, or any major city in the northeast in the last several years? Retail workers/low wage workers have to do crazy commutes on a daily basis in many places so the ish you spouting not only has no precedent in real life, but there are actually various examples of the opposite. at private sector real estate projects revolving around getting Macy's employees to work in a short time period.

missed my point, I used them as an example, logistics are impossible for these basic workers to travel from parts of Jersey to manhattan and the rest of the 5 boroughs with basic pay. You mention dc where the cost of living and travel is cheaper . Right now at 25:00 per week is what the travel cost is by public transport, add metro north or bus service to Jersey and that cost could go to 20:00 per day so from 25 per week to 100 per week with a longer commute can sustain running. You going to expect those workers to travel farther and pay more to do it ? Or what will happen they work local and the NYC business dry up.

 

[Wild self]

you

missed my point, I used them as an example, logistics are impossible for these basic workers to travel from parts of Jersey to manhattan and the rest of the 5 boroughs with basic pay. You mention dc where the cost of living and travel is cheaper . Right now at 25:00 per week is what the travel cost is by public transport, add metro north or bus service to Jersey and that cost could go to 20:00 per day so from 25 per week to 100 per week with a longer commute can sustain running. You going to expect those workers to travel farther and pay more to do it ? Or what will happen they work local and the NYC business dry up.

The local businesses are gonna collapse cause poor people are not gonna travel that much just to work in a job that they hate. They might as well move down south, own a car and a house, and travel that much.

 

[ogc163]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/opinion/sunday/londons-great-exodus.html

@88m3

 

[Michael's Black Son]

@ what the city has become. I was in union square today checking out some shyt at Paragon and while I was outside the store i just looked around at all of these yuppy motherfukkers. NY has fallen off so hard. you dont really hear native NYers say that shyt because we rep it so hard, but the hood is literally gonna be the only reminder of what the city used to be. Even New Yorkers who arent from the hood are gonna be coming thru just to get a taste of that shyt.

i welcome the improvements and all that to the city, but the shyt feels so overdone now that it's starting to look like a mashup of the nice parts of DC/Philly/Boston all in one with a sprinkle of corny

 

[Wild self]

@ what the city has become. I was in union square today checking out some shyt at Paragon and while I was outside the store i just looked around at all of these yuppy motherfukkers. NY has fallen off so hard. you dont really hear native NYers say that shyt because we rep it so hard, but the hood is literally gonna be the only reminder of what the city used to be. Even New Yorkers who arent from the hood are gonna be coming thru just to get a taste of that shyt.

i welcome the improvements and all that to the city, but the shyt feels so overdone now that it's starting to look like a mashup of the nice parts of DC/Philly/Boston all in one with a sprinkle of corny

Blame
the people for not owning anything in decades past. It's too late now, and you can't say anything is yours unless you legally own it. Don't care how many generations your family or your people live there, you just a temporary resident.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

@ what the city has become. I was in union square today checking out some shyt at Paragon and while I was outside the store i just looked around at all of these yuppy motherfukkers. NY has fallen off so hard. you dont really hear native NYers say that shyt because we rep it so hard, but the hood is literally gonna be the only reminder of what the city used to be. Even New Yorkers who arent from the hood are gonna be coming thru just to get a taste of that shyt.

i welcome the improvements and all that to the city, but the shyt feels so overdone now that it's starting to look like a mashup of the nice parts of DC/Philly/Boston all in one with a sprinkle of corny

NYC was always was where all the flavor and dope stuff was to me even from when I was coming here as a litte kid. Now that I actually live here, my perspective is different. The new transplants that move to new york now are so yuppie, tame, and lame they bore me to tears.They just have no personality and water down this city that has had (and still has in pockets) so much personality. And the vision of this city I'm pretty sure they have is of a city that doesn't exist anymore.

But somedays I really am just at the outright fukkery these transplants are on and how the city (especially Doomberg and the New Yup Times) promotes it! They don't even hide their indifference/dislike of Native New Yorkers. I think it's funny how some of these new age yuppie/hipster transplant hybrids pretend to care about the people that ere living there before them and helping out the community when it's so obvious they couldn't give a shyt.

Harrison and Zoey from Des Moines, Iowa move to their $2900 a month apartment in cool new "nabe" "on the rise" West Bushwick (ie Bed Stuy).
"We want to help out the community and make it green and beautiful and like yah!"
- Proceed to open up food stores that sell $10 breakfast sandwiches and $7 dollar coffee drinks.
- Proceed to open up art studios, yoga studios, businesses, and facilities that are only going to be patronized by people like them and are too expensive for most natives and locals to afford.

 

[Francis White]

@ what the city has become. I was in union square today checking out some shyt at Paragon and while I was outside the store i just looked around at all of these yuppy motherfukkers. NY has fallen off so hard. you dont really hear native NYers say that shyt because we rep it so hard, but the hood is literally gonna be the only reminder of what the city used to be. Even New Yorkers who arent from the hood are gonna be coming thru just to get a taste of that shyt.

i welcome the improvements and all that to the city, but the shyt feels so overdone now that it's starting to look like a mashup of the nice parts of DC/Philly/Boston all in one with a sprinkle of corny

NYC was always was where all the flavor and dope stuff was to me even from when I was coming here as a litte kid. Now that I actually live here, my perspective is different. The new transplants that move to new york now are so yuppie, tame, and lame they bore me to tears.They just have no personality and water down this city that has had (and still has in pockets) so much personality. And the vision of this city I'm pretty sure they have is of a city that doesn't exist anymore.

But somedays I really am just at the outright fukkery these transplants are on and how the city (especially Doomberg and the New Yup Times) promotes it! They don't even hide their indifference/dislike of Native New Yorkers. I think it's funny how some of these new age yuppie/hipster transplant hybrids pretend to care about the people that ere living there before them and helping out the community when it's so obvious they couldn't give a shyt.

Harrison and Zoey from Des Moines, Iowa move to their $2900 a month apartment in cool new "nabe" "on the rise" West Bushwick (ie Bed Stuy).
"We want to help out the community and make it green and beautiful and like yah!"
- Proceed to open up food stores that sell $10 breakfast sandwiches and $7 dollar coffee drinks.
- Proceed to open up art studios, yoga studios, businesses, and facilities that are only going to be patronized by people like them and are too expensive for most natives and locals to afford.

Your thinking is not clear here, you say they open up a coffee shop and charge a price to high for you, well the rent on the business is not cheap so you have to charge enough to make a profit and pay rent and employees, you say the locals can't afford them, well it's call target marketing, you market your business to who can afford it. If a local opened up a shop and it provide great food and service at an affordable price and the locals didn't support it, well it's on them. 1 thing in life is this prices will rise, and people have to stop being complacent get with the times or get left back. One thing everyone in this thread keeps saying we have to support our own businesses, well before more affluent and educated people moved into this areas, they did and somewhere successful, but the owners of these business didn't buy the property and when the rent rose they were out, poor planning on their part. There is a lady that sells fruit from a cart near my job, she had a place in BK with her husband that got priced out by rising rents. Instead of blaming hipsters and crying about the old days, she took their approach and got a license to sell fruit on the street, she does by Madison Square Garden now and makes 600 to 700 a day there, and her husband sells in Union Square Market and he makes just as much there with no overhead at all, they plan on opening a new shop in Bk next year selling fruits with wines and local cheese makers, if you ever saw this couple, you would think they barely spoke english and they play that up to get what they want. They adopted to the times, those old days are way over now.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

the 'globalist' world is going to be so generic & cultureless

 

[Wild self]

[quote"NvrCMyNut, post: 5776423, member: 4961"]the 'globalist' world is going to be so generic & cultureless [/quote]


Blame the fact the natives never took initiative to take ownership. The old ways are long gone.