My Chrisian Brehs, Did Abraham and Moses Worship a Triune God

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No

the trinity didn’t become a thing till Jesus was born, symbolized by the three wiseman worshipping a Baby Jesus

the Father and the Spirit already existed but there was no son yet during the days of Moses and Abraham
reread the birth of jesus in light of Genesis 1. The only way you can reconcile the two stories is if they are congruent.

Jesus is that I am and those other I ams and every word that has ever been uttered in essence

If Jesus Birth/Life/Death does not also describe creation and then he cannot be both one and the same as God

However if you look closely his entire story is an allegory to Genesis 1. Every church in the west that I know of does not really consider the ramifications of this conclusion to fully understand the message of Jesus which is of redemption of the Word itself as well as man.

Jesus death and resurrection are an allegory to a born anew perspective on who God is.
 

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That's precisely where you have me mistaken. I hold the belief that God trascends time, place and form. Time, place and form are creations of God and whatever is other than God is not God.

God's presence, my friend, is not an ephemeral form which - even if its mist - is still form. Rather, it is in reference to the actions of God's attributes manifest one way or another. When we say that God's Divine Anger dwelt in Soddom and Ghomorra after Lot was saved, do we mean that the Anger is something that was physically in Soddom and Ghommora; no, we mean that the punishment, the rejection, the lack of acceptance, and ultimately the destruction that God inflicted upon them was there.

If I say, Rhakim, you're someone who is close to God. Does that mean that you are physically next to God; no, it means that by virtue of righteousness and belief, you are held dear to God and your prayers, request for protection, and salvation are close at hand compared to someone who is far from God. There is no place where you can physically go and reach God and say "Alas, I have gotten so many meters closer to God".

The same thign esists with respect to the Divine Presence; the ancient Jewish scholars understood that and the Christians, for whatever reason, failed to do so and went about on a revision project to reconcile a clearly pagan belief (the idea of the trinity or an anthropomorphic deity) with the pristine idea of an All-powerful and Unitary God. The idea is not Divine Presence, Divine Anger, Divine Blessings, Divine Acceptance, Divine Rejection..ect..are not real things; rather, it is that those things which emerge from the Essential Attributes of God are not physical. When God Smiles down at Israel, it is not because he physically turns his face and shows teeth towards them or even makes an action mimicing our physical smiling. Rather, it is that he is pleased with them and he holds them in favor.
consider this story with relation to mans judgment before you bet your life on mans words



God is infinitely nearer to you than you realize. Your judgments become your cage and your own self punishment. You must reconsider the nature in which you use words.
 
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First off:

Elohim is plural

Second off:

The being that went to Abraham and Moses was actually Baal/Moloch.

Baal tricked them into believing he was "God".

The "covenant" Moses made with "God" (Baal) was really a deal with the "devil". This is why they do blood sacrifices.

Jesus came to the Jews to tell them they are worshipping the wrong "God".
This actually makes sense.
 

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This actually makes sense.
its not

and i don't mean shade

read Exodus 18 in light of this

1 When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the Lord had brought Israel out of Egypt;

2 Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back,

3 And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:

4 And the name of the other was Eliezer; for the God of my father, said he, was mine help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh:

5 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, came with his sons and his wife unto Moses into the wilderness, where he encamped at the mount of God:

6 And he said unto Moses, I thy father in law Jethro am come unto thee, and thy wife, and her two sons with her.

7 And Moses went out to meet his father in law, and did obeisance, and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare; and they came into the tent.

8 And Moses told his father in law all that the Lord had done unto Pharaoh and to the Egyptians for Israel's sake, and all the travail that had come upon them by the way, and how the Lord delivered them.

9 And Jethro rejoiced for all the goodness which the Lord had done to Israel, whom he had delivered out of the hand of the Egyptians.

10 And Jethro said, Blessed be the Lord, who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians.

11 Now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.

12 And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God.

13 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.

14 And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?

15 And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:

16 When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.


17 And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good.

18 Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone.

19 Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:

20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.

21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:

22 And let them judge the people at all seasons: and it shall be, that every great matter they shall bring unto thee, but every small matter they shall judge: so shall it be easier for thyself, and they shall bear the burden with thee.

23 If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.

24 So Moses hearkened to the voice of his father in law, and did all that he had said.

25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.

26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.

27 And Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land.

Consider Moses a type of person (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc)

Consider the stories in Genesis as "kinds" of belief

When you realize Abraham isnt just a man but the representation of a belief you will see that Genesis contains all of reality

Remember why Isaac blessed Jacob when he questioned where he got the meal (...God brought it to me)

The belief in God as the ultimate reality and ever-present is a belief that not many have yet most should start considering
 

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you are only viewing Jesus from the lense of his fleshly being

consider the paper and the ink of his gospels as also his flesh

Indeed Abraham worshipped Jesus when you consider this this way

imagine if all of your words were guided by scripture? How would the world perceive you

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Consider Mary...allegorically with respect of Genesis 1. The waters are eternal despite what has been formed from them



as I said earlier...what does dwelling in the Lord truly mean?

Hathor - Wikipedia

Beautiful, subbed
 
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